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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:32 am

Purpelia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Without a good infantry screen that’s being very thorough, they’d be fucked. I’ll grant you that a disciplined army not fighting urban conflict can keep a tank alive

Even in cities, indeed especially in cities tanks are indefensible. Having something that can flat out drive through a wall, blast holes into buildings and demolish all in its path all the while providing cover against snipers and machineguns is incredibly useful. Which is why every single urban battle since tanks existed has featured them prominently.

I don't really get where this myth of tanks not working in cities comes from.

Cuz literally every room can have a team set to blow it to hell.
Sure the tank can level a house but will the tank last long enough to level it
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:33 am

North Arkana wrote:Is armored, protected, mobile firepower still worth it? Oh hell yes it is.

Where're my armored cav boys at?

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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:33 am

Purpelia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Without a good infantry screen that’s being very thorough, they’d be fucked. I’ll grant you that a disciplined army not fighting urban conflict can keep a tank alive

Even in cities, indeed especially in cities tanks are indefensible. Having something that can flat out drive through a wall, blast holes into buildings and demolish all in its path all the while providing cover against snipers and machineguns is incredibly useful. Which is why every single urban battle since tanks existed has featured them prominently.

I don't really get where this myth of tanks not working in cities comes from.

Probably because people don't understand the close cooperation behind an armor-infantry team systematically clearing out a dug in enemy with overwhelming firepower that allows the infantry to close with and destroy the enemy.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:34 am

Thermodolia wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Is armored, protected, mobile firepower still worth it? Oh hell yes it is.

Where're my armored cav boys at?

Doing gay things.

God, I love this thread.
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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:34 am

Thermodolia wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Is armored, protected, mobile firepower still worth it? Oh hell yes it is.

Where're my armored cav boys at?

Doing gay things.

Oi oi oi, don't start on that. All you guys ever do is asked if we've changed out socks.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:35 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:My favorite part of this thread is the dick measuring contest between the medic, the infantry, and the artillery on the first page.


We just need the logistics guy cackling in the background knowing that nobody couldn't do jack without his services.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:37 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:My favorite part of this thread is the dick measuring contest between the medic, the infantry, and the artillery on the first page.


We just need the logistics guy cackling in the background knowing that nobody couldn't do jack without his services.

I mean, I feel like a tanker could also be useful here XD I know an armored officer dude. Lemme see if he wants to hop in this.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:37 am

I don't buy the argument that because they can be defeated by something else, they're obsolete.
After all, nukes can obliterate basically everything else, and we don't fight wars entirely with them.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:38 am

North Arkana wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Doing gay things.

Oi oi oi, don't start on that. All you guys ever do is asked if we've changed out socks.

"Doc, I'm hit!"
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Now now changing socks isn’t the only issue you need water too, also here’s some Ibuprofen
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:38 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:We just need the logistics guy cackling in the background knowing that nobody couldn't do jack without his services.

I mean, I feel like a tanker could also be useful here XD I know an armored officer dude. Lemme see if he wants to hop in this.

You are about to ask someone to participate in NationStates General? You must not like the poor guy that much, then.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:38 am

Lord Dominator wrote:I don't buy the argument that because they can be defeated by something else, they're obsolete.
After all, nukes can obliterate basically everything else, and we don't fight wars entirely with them.

And even then, we have anti-missile systems.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:38 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I mean, I feel like a tanker could also be useful here XD I know an armored officer dude. Lemme see if he wants to hop in this.

You are about to ask someone to participate in NationStates General? You must not like the poor guy that much, then.

I mean, duh. He's army.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:39 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:You are about to ask someone to participate in NationStates General? You must not like the poor guy that much, then.

I mean, duh. He's army.

I’m hurt
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:39 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:We do.

A common statement about artillery is that it's the king of the battlefield. This is incorrect. It would be more correct to speak of artillery as the vengeful god of the battlefield, unleashing its wrath upon its hapless targets as if Ares himself was suffering from explosive diarrhea.


And if anyone ever questions that you just get in an MLRS and make the grid square their house is in cease to exist.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:39 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:As former infantry I can give my pure unbiased opinion that tanks are dumb and people who drive them smell their own farts

Tanks are fucking awesome, how dare you IB, i used to like you, but now...

Hey man I love tanks
I’m just arguing their modern use. It’s not 45 anymore
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I mean, duh. He's army.

I’m hurt

Hey, Hurt. I'm Sahansahiye Iran.
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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Oi oi oi, don't start on that. All you guys ever do is asked if we've changed out socks.

"Doc, I'm hit!"
"You change your socks?"

Now now changing socks isn’t the only issue you need water too, also here’s some Ibuprofen

I think I took enough Ibuprofen to fill a pharmacy... of course there's also the raging caffeine dependency every develops so...
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Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I mean, I feel like a tanker could also be useful here XD I know an armored officer dude. Lemme see if he wants to hop in this.

You are about to ask someone to participate in NationStates General? You must not like the poor guy that much, then.

Especially during NS summer.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:40 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I don't buy the argument that because they can be defeated by something else, they're obsolete.
After all, nukes can obliterate basically everything else, and we don't fight wars entirely with them.

And even then, we have anti-missile systems.

Which operate on the basis of firing enough stuff at the nuke that something hits it. Doesn't scale so well for large-scale nuclear warfare
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Postby Engleberg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:41 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Tanks are fucking awesome, how dare you IB, i used to like you, but now...

Hey man I love tanks
I’m just arguing their modern use. It’s not 45 anymore


What the hell?

I thought it was still 1916!
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:42 am

North Arkana wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Doing gay things.

Oi oi oi, don't start on that. All you guys ever do is asked if we've changed out socks.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:42 am

North Arkana wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Even in cities, indeed especially in cities tanks are indefensible. Having something that can flat out drive through a wall, blast holes into buildings and demolish all in its path all the while providing cover against snipers and machineguns is incredibly useful. Which is why every single urban battle since tanks existed has featured them prominently.

I don't really get where this myth of tanks not working in cities comes from.

Probably because people don't understand the close cooperation behind an armor-infantry team systematically clearing out a dug in enemy with overwhelming firepower that allows the infantry to close with and destroy the enemy.

Again, every building? We did a few village clears but I can’t see the whole route through a city
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:42 am

North Arkana wrote:Probably because people don't understand the close cooperation behind an armor-infantry team systematically clearing out a dug in enemy with overwhelming firepower that allows the infantry to close with and destroy the enemy.

That and they forget that the infantry can just walk into the buildings either side of the road the tank is driving along and kill those ambush teams before the tank drives up to blow the big thing down the road up. xD
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:42 am

Engleberg wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Hey man I love tanks
I’m just arguing their modern use. It’s not 45 anymore


What the hell?

I thought it was still 1916!

No I’m pretty sure it’s 1865
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:43 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Tanks are fucking awesome, how dare you IB, i used to like you, but now...

Hey man I love tanks
I’m just arguing their modern use. It’s not 45 anymore


Dude, the Challenger 2. Hit by 70 RPGs and still functional. 70. I hope your small ambush team has strong backs to hump all those reloads....

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Postby -United Republic of Freedonia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Where're my armored cav boys at?

Doing gay things.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:As former infantry I can give my pure unbiased opinion that tanks are dumb and people who drive them smell their own farts

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