Are tanks worth it?

[The Two Jerseys]

Find a combat vehicle that can move over broken ground as fast as a tank. Tanks are modern cavalry. Modern artillery is the same as old school trebuchets.

How's this?

So...modern horse artillery?

[Fartsniffage]

What is the top speed and how long is the time to deploy?

Can't find the top speed, but a Humvee at max weight capacity is 55 mph, deployment time is 30 seconds.

I want nothing to do with that weapons system. A 105 isn't a tank killer. They think it can be deployed from a Ford 250.

Just make it go away.

[Genivaria]

How's this?

Holy shit... The US ARMY DESIGNED WHAT AMOUNTS TO A MOTHER F*CKING SIEGE TANK!

Compare that motherf*cker with this motherf*cker and tell me that they don't resemble each other.

*Geeks out*

It is nothing at all like a siege tank, screw you for getting my hopes up.

[Durzan]

Holy shit... The US ARMY DESIGNED WHAT AMOUNTS TO A MOTHER F*CKING SIEGE TANK!

Compare that motherf*cker with this motherf*cker and tell me that they don't resemble each other.

*Geeks out*

Someone's never heard of SPGs before.

Thats cause I'm not a military nerd like my friend.

[Durzan]

Holy shit... The US ARMY DESIGNED WHAT AMOUNTS TO A MOTHER F*CKING SIEGE TANK!

Compare that motherf*cker with this motherf*cker and tell me that they don't resemble each other.

*Geeks out*

It is nothing at all like a siege tank, screw you for getting my hopes up.

Guess what...

Seriously though cause those artillery braces on the truck reminded me of a siege tank.

[Torrocca]

Someone's never heard of SPGs before.

Thats cause I'm not a military nerd like my friend.

Well that explains why you think a technical with a howitzer is a tank.

Now feast your eyes on a real man's self-propelled artillery piece.

[Kubra]

Thats cause I'm not a military nerd like my friend.

Well that explains why you think a technical with a howitzer is a tank.

Now feast your eyes on a real man's self-propelled artillery piece.

self propelled dick waving, the guy who drives this around is always wanting to brag about his defense budget and taking out the carrier group for a nice cruise

[Torrocca]

Well that explains why you think a technical with a howitzer is a tank.

Now feast your eyes on a real man's self-propelled artillery piece.

self propelled dick waving, the guy who drives this around is always wanting to brag about his defense budget and taking out the carrier group for a nice cruise

Someone clearly hasn't seen the 280mm Soviet SPDW

[Kubra]

self propelled dick waving, the guy who drives this around is always wanting to brag about his defense budget and taking out the carrier group for a nice cruise

Someone clearly hasn't seen the 280mm Soviet SPDW

also brags about it, so as not to seem unpatriotic in front of the big man

[Torrocca]

Someone clearly hasn't seen the 280mm Soviet SPDW

also brags about it, so as not to seem unpatriotic in front of the big man

Which still has nothing on Nazi """engineering""".

[Kubra]

also brags about it, so as not to seem unpatriotic in front of the big man

Which still has nothing on Nazi """engineering""".

well this has crossed the line between metaphorical and literal dick-waving

[The East Marches II]

Well that explains why you think a technical with a howitzer is a tank.

Now feast your eyes on a real man's self-propelled artillery piece.

self propelled dick waving, the guy who drives this around is always wanting to brag about his defense budget and taking out the carrier group for a nice cruise

But it's perfect :^)

Ask the Kurds

[The East Marches II]

What is the top speed and how long is the time to deploy?

Can't find the top speed, but a Humvee at max weight capacity is 55 mph, deployment time is 30 seconds.

tbh that looks cost effective and useful, no wonder everybody hates it.

[Hurdergaryp]

Can't find the top speed, but a Humvee at max weight capacity is 55 mph, deployment time is 30 seconds.

tbh that looks cost effective and useful, no wonder everybody hates it.

Well, Humvees are also known to be voracious gas guzzlers.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No they aren't. They should all be donated to local police departments to crank the drug war up to a whole new level.

[Hurdergaryp]

No they aren't. They should all be donated to local police departments to crank the drug war up to a whole new level.

Have American police departments not been paramilitarized enough already? Lots of surplus military hardware found its way to them since the previous decade.

[Isilanka]

Yeah, because turning the police into a pseudo-military will be so goddamn effective.

Problem with Humvees is that they are ridiculously fragile, even the IED-resistant ones. In a real conventional combat environment, they'd suffer critical existence failure the moment they come in contact with an IFV, a light tank or infantry with basic anti-tank capacity.

[Hurdergaryp]

Yeah, because turning the police into a pseudo-military will be so goddamn effective.

Problem with Humvees is that they are ridiculously fragile, even the IED-resistant ones. In a real conventional combat environment, they'd suffer critical existence failure the moment they come in contact with an IFV, a light tank or infantry with basic anti-tank capacity.

As with all military vehicles, it's a matter of deploying them correctly. Situations may change quickly in warzones, of course.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So what can tanks do that can't be done from the air?

[Big Jim P]

also brags about it, so as not to seem unpatriotic in front of the big man

Which still has nothing on Nazi """engineering""".

Ugliest military pic I've seen is the original rail version with tracks replacing the rail bogeys and claiming that that is what the P1500 would have looked like. I'll have to see if I can find it again.

I have seen some nice scale models of the P1000 too.

[Big Jim P]

So what can tanks do that can't be done from the air?

Fight while driving on the ground.

[Uxupox]

So what can tanks do that can't be done from the air?

I dunno maybe something basic such as occupying and seizing an area?

[Uxupox]

What is the top speed and how long is the time to deploy?

Can't find the top speed, but a Humvee at max weight capacity is 55 mph, deployment time is 30 seconds.

Lol at “55 mph”.

[Costa Fierro]

also, is making upmarket technicals like these misunderstanding the market or exactly what the market needs?

Depends on who is buying. The Humvee is a multi-role vehicle for a reason: cheaper to chop bits off and stick things on it than design dedicated vehicles to do one thing. Like the Germans sorta did.

I dunno maybe something basic such as occupying and seizing an area?

That's what infantry is for. Occupy buildings, fields, ditches on the side of the road waiting for the air force to do the fighting for them (well at least the Americans do).

Yeah, because turning the police into a pseudo-military will be so goddamn effective.

Problem with Humvees is that they are ridiculously fragile, even the IED-resistant ones. In a real conventional combat environment, they'd suffer critical existence failure the moment they come in contact with an IFV, a light tank or infantry with basic anti-tank capacity.

The whole point of the Humvee is that most of the time it isn't being used as a front-line combat vehicle. However for most of it's service life it has been used in conflicts that it's original design wasn't intended for. It was an immense improvement over the several vehicles it replaced in service, which were open topped jeeps that had the same basic design layout since the original Willys.

[Uxupox]

also, is making upmarket technicals like these misunderstanding the market or exactly what the market needs?

Depends on who is buying. The Humvee is a multi-role vehicle for a reason: cheaper to chop bits off and stick things on it than design dedicated vehicles to do one thing. Like the Germans sorta did.

I dunno maybe something basic such as occupying and seizing an area?

That's what infantry is for. Occupy buildings, fields, ditches on the side of the road waiting for the air force to do the fighting for them (well at least the Americans do).

Yeah, because turning the police into a pseudo-military will be so goddamn effective.

Problem with Humvees is that they are ridiculously fragile, even the IED-resistant ones. In a real conventional combat environment, they'd suffer critical existence failure the moment they come in contact with an IFV, a light tank or infantry with basic anti-tank capacity.

The whole point of the Humvee is that most of the time it isn't being used as a front-line combat vehicle. However for most of it's service life it has been used in conflicts that it's original design wasn't intended for. It was an immense improvement over the several vehicles it replaced in service, which were open topped jeeps that had the same basic design layout since the original Willys.

Completely depends on the terrain. For example you wouldn’t want any kind of armored vehicle with limited capability in the mountain which what air assault operations excel nor you wouldn’t want light infantry without any kind of armoured support in the desert or plains.