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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:00 am

Throughout my time on NSG, I have found a surprisingly large amount of people who seem to hold negative to extremely negative views on Globalism. This is something that surprised me at first, since I had thought that globalism was mostly accepted. Since this, I have taken notice of more people in real life expressing anti-globalist views.

I don't have a long essay or anything like that, but I'd like to know what y'all views on globalism are. By globalism, I'm not referring to how it has been implemented/used, but the concept itself.

I myself see globalism as a natural progression on Humanity's path toward the future. The question I ask though, is whether it will be a good kind of globalism.

Anyways, I'm interested to see what the unique minds of NS think about this ever-so-common facet of modern day politics.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:03 am

The thing is, that Globalism works. But, that's when every nation is on Globalism, because it is, again, Globalism. When some nations are protectionist, the other nations think the protectionist nations are going to eclipse them, so they become protectionist. If the entire world is globalist, then all nations can share in those advantages, without being pressed to not be eclipsed by protectionist nations.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:05 am

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If everyone in the world needs everyone else to live then we’ll be less likely to kill each other and more likely to work together
It’s not perfect, more like economic MAD, but maybe one day we’ll stop wars and focus on helping one another
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:06 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Interdependence is the key to me
If everyone in the world needs everyone else to live then we’ll be less likely to kill each other and more likely to work together
It’s not perfect, more like economic MAD, but maybe one day we’ll stop wars and focus on helping one another

That's exactly the standpoint that I share.

Most other species work together, why can't humans?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:08 am

Puldania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Interdependence is the key to me
If everyone in the world needs everyone else to live then we’ll be less likely to kill each other and more likely to work together
It’s not perfect, more like economic MAD, but maybe one day we’ll stop wars and focus on helping one another

That's exactly the standpoint that I share.

Most other species work together, why can't humans?

Because apparently we’re supposed to kill and hate each other over minor differences because nature
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:08 am

The South Falls wrote:The thing is, that Globalism works. But, that's when every nation is on Globalism, because it is, again, Globalism. When some nations are protectionist, the other nations think the protectionist nations are going to eclipse them, so they become protectionist. If the entire world is globalist, then all nations can share in those advantages, without being pressed to not be eclipsed by protectionist nations.

It can also be said that American Globalism has resulted in a sort of "Cultural Imperialism". Everyone needs to be American, versus Everyone needs to be Human.

Meh. I guess with globalism there needs to be a lingua franca. Just wish it could be a conlang equally easy for everyone to learn.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:09 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Puldania wrote:That's exactly the standpoint that I share.

Most other species work together, why can't humans?

Because apparently we’re supposed to kill and hate each other over minor differences because nature

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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:28 am

Globalism is not problematic insofar as the strengthening of the interdependence between international communities, but rather that it is situated within a history of domination and the entrenchment of power interests. Critiques of globalism are seldom simply critiques as internationalism as much as the are globalised capitalism wrought from the legacies of imperial conquest, colonialism, slavery, and neocolonialism. Without any of these forces, globalism would be unrecognizable from its current iteration.

From what we have seen from globalised capitalism, it has not brought prosperity, freedom, or sustainability around the world, but a siphoning of resources away from the global masses (particularly within the global South) into the hands of a small body of elites.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:30 am

Threlizdun wrote:Globalism is not problematic insofar as the strengthening of the interdependence between international communities, but rather that it is situated within a history of domination and the entrenchment of power interests. Critiques of globalism are seldom simply critiques as internationalism as much as the are globalised capitalism wrought from the legacies of imperial conquest, colonialism, slavery, and neocolonialism. Without any of these forces, globalism would be unrecognizable from its current iteration.

From what we have seen from globalised capitalism, it has not brought prosperity, freedom, or sustainability around the world, but a siphoning of resources away from the global masses (particularly within the global South) into the hands of a small body of elites.

Most people assume that everyone who argues FOR globalism is a supporter of this type of globalism.
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Postby Gospel Power » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:32 am

We strongly against Globalism, look at our policies, without any unnecessary words, it's evil, it bring only crime and rape
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:32 am

Puldania wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The thing is, that Globalism works. But, that's when every nation is on Globalism, because it is, again, Globalism. When some nations are protectionist, the other nations think the protectionist nations are going to eclipse them, so they become protectionist. If the entire world is globalist, then all nations can share in those advantages, without being pressed to not be eclipsed by protectionist nations.

It can also be said that American Globalism has resulted in a sort of "Cultural Imperialism". Everyone needs to be American, versus Everyone needs to be Human.

Meh. I guess with globalism there needs to be a lingua franca. Just wish it could be a conlang equally easy for everyone to learn.

Yea. I mean, we could do Chinese, or English. I'd agree with that "Cultural Imperialism" point. But we shouldn't curb globalism just because of it. We can teach people to love their cultures but still consume American culture.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:33 am

Gospel Power wrote:We strongly against Globalism, look at our policies, without any unnecessary words, it's evil, it bring only crime and rape

What? Why would globalism cause rape? I don't get it.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:35 am

The South Falls wrote:
Puldania wrote:It can also be said that American Globalism has resulted in a sort of "Cultural Imperialism". Everyone needs to be American, versus Everyone needs to be Human.

Meh. I guess with globalism there needs to be a lingua franca. Just wish it could be a conlang equally easy for everyone to learn.

Yea. I mean, we could do Chinese, or English. I'd agree with that "Cultural Imperialism" point. But we shouldn't curb globalism just because of it. We can teach people to love their cultures but still consume American culture.

Well, in this case, I don't particularly feel very strong about American culture, but I suppose it could be worse.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:36 am

Globalism is an absolute evil. In fact, it is one of the few things in existence that I would say actually have an actual moral value outside of human experience. And that value is evil. The reason for this is simple. Globalism by definition means oppression.

Every community, large or small, religious, ethnic, national, or what ever else has an idea about how the world should be run. And in order for us to lead happy and productive lives the societies we live in have to be tailored to those desires. And nation states exist in order to permit us to do just that. That is why we have borders and laws and democracies and all that.

A single global government therefore by definition means oppression as it removes that fundamental right and capability from us. Under a global world we would no longer be able to live the lives we want to live and instead be force to accept rules imposed upon us by tyranny of the majority.

And that is bad.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:36 am

The South Falls wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:We strongly against Globalism, look at our policies, without any unnecessary words, it's evil, it bring only crime and rape

What? Why would globalism cause rape? I don't get it.

I don't think they mean rape in the traditional sense so much as the rape of a countries resources for outside use in hugely one-sided deals.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:36 am

The South Falls wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:We strongly against Globalism, look at our policies, without any unnecessary words, it's evil, it bring only crime and rape

What? Why would globalism cause rape? I don't get it.

You ever heard of Ultramarr? I'm fairly certain that's the way this guy views it.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:38 am

Gospel Power wrote:We strongly against Globalism, look at our policies, without any unnecessary words, it's evil, it bring only crime and rape

In the 1930s when Japan and Germany rejected globalism, and sought autarky, that brought a lot of crime and rape.

Globalism not so much.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:38 am

I'm against globalism and nationalism.

In all seriousness though, globalism would be a bad thing because it means erasing the different culture of humanity. It's not really globalism, but rather Westernization of the world.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:39 am

Purpelia wrote:Globalism is an absolute evil. In fact, it is one of the few things in existence that I would say actually have an actual moral value outside of human experience. And that value is evil. The reason for this is simple. Globalism by definition means oppression.

Every community, large or small, religious, ethnic, national, or what ever else has an idea about how the world should be run. And in order for us to lead happy and productive lives the societies we live in have to be tailored to those desires. And nation states exist in order to permit us to do just that. That is why we have borders and laws and democracies and all that.

A single global government therefore by definition means oppression as it removes that fundamental right and capability from us. Under a global world we would no longer be able to live the lives we want to live and instead be force to accept rules imposed upon us by tyranny of the majority.

And that is bad.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:39 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:We strongly against Globalism, look at our policies, without any unnecessary words, it's evil, it bring only crime and rape

In the 1930s when Japan and Germany rejected globalism, and sought autarky, that brought a lot of crime and rape.

Globalism not so much.

Not exactly sure that's comparable really. We haven't had a good population reducing war with the added bonus of industrialized slave away until you die camps in some time.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:40 am

Globalism is a horrible encroachment on national sovereignty, and although I do not claim to be on the economic left in any way whatsoever, it has severe depressive effects on wages in most states, particularly on the lower rungs. Very few nations benefit from globalism, and in those that do, very few have a personal gain.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:41 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm against globalism and nationalism.

In all seriousness though, globalism would be a bad thing because it means erasing the different culture of humanity. It's not really globalism, but rather Westernization of the world.

Nothing about globalization implicitly wipes out culture. What it does wipe out is tribalism, which is a bad thing.

People need to work together, anyways. Having a myriad of different cultures oppose each other isn't functional in the long term.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:42 am

Puldania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm against globalism and nationalism.

In all seriousness though, globalism would be a bad thing because it means erasing the different culture of humanity. It's not really globalism, but rather Westernization of the world.

Nothing about globalization implicitly wipes out culture. What it does wipe out is tribalism, which is a bad thing.

People need to work together, anyways. Having a myriad of different cultures oppose each other isn't functional in the long term.

You can have different cultures work together without having everyone adopt the same culture.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:43 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:Globalism is a horrible encroachment on national sovereignty, and although I do not claim to be on the economic left in any way whatsoever, it has severe depressive effects on wages in most states, particularly on the lower rungs. Very few nations benefit from globalism, and in those that do, very few have a personal gain.

I mean, the one country in the world that aggressively pushed its own brand of Globalism, they ended up the most powerful country on earth, until returning to more protectionist policies. Of course, their brand focused on exploiting the rest of the world for its own gain.

Ever heard of the USA?
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:44 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Puldania wrote:Nothing about globalization implicitly wipes out culture. What it does wipe out is tribalism, which is a bad thing.

People need to work together, anyways. Having a myriad of different cultures oppose each other isn't functional in the long term.

You can have different cultures work together without having everyone adopt the same culture.

That's exactly what I want.

Wiping out culture isn't the key purpose of Globalism, people working together globally is.
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