Germany Considers Seizing the Means of Reproduction

[Petrasylvania]

Well, there was this one Schwarzenegger movie...

NO!

Ahnuld posing as an East German ex athlete was meta funny though.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is not how I imagined Nineteen Eighty Four to enter the real world.

Melodramatic much?

Tbf, if this idea is accepted, then Germany will join Oceania as the only governments, fictional and non-fictional to produce government funded porn.

[Costa Fierro]

Nah, feminist porn is basically one long lecture about how everything men do is problematic and that in order to become a real man, one must submit to the strong, independent woman.

*yawn*

It's certainly not going to be educational if it's just five minutes of why male sexuality is oppressing women.

[Dogmeat]

Ah the good old meaningless buzzword for 'I find this icky'.

Just saying the truth here, go and made a research, i am not saying things just for fun but only if they are true

[Islands of Washington]

The first post of this thread show that all, logic can tell that is degeneracy

Are you able to demonstrate anything or are you going to continue to dodge?
Simply going 'well reason/logic tells me X' is pitiful.

Why should reason and logic be thrown out the window when that is a staple to modern Society? I also still don't see your argument as to why the German Government should fund a form of feminist porn to make it more accepting of women that are not your stereotypical model for the job. If you are too daft to realize that porn is a bunch of actors to relieve your sexual stimuli, then you shouldn't be on this thread making comments such as this one.

[UniversalCommons]

This is funny. Why can't they produce "erotica" instead. What would be the difference between feminist porn and erotica...

[Great Winminster]

Reading this really makes me feel like im in ThOnion.

[Costa Fierro]

This is funny. Why can't they produce "erotica" instead. What would be the difference between feminist porn and erotica...

Nothing. Just continual "you're born with a penis so you should feel bad".

[Liriena]

*yawn*

It's certainly not going to be educational if it's just five minutes of why male sexuality is oppressing women.

You have no imagination. We get it.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This is not how I imagined Nineteen Eighty Four to enter the real world.

Melodramatic much?

State-produced porn was literally in the book.

[Geneviev]

Melodramatic much?

State-produced porn was literally in the book.

But was it feminist porn?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Melodramatic much?

Tbf, if this idea is accepted, then Germany will join Oceania as the only governments, fictional and non-fictional to produce government funded porn.

You forgot all of those doujins that are about sex dystopias Utopias.

[Conserative Morality]

Melodramatic much?

Tbf, if this idea is accepted, then Germany will join Oceania as the only governments, fictional and non-fictional to produce government funded porn.

Not even close.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Tbf, if this idea is accepted, then Germany will join Oceania as the only governments, fictional and non-fictional to produce government funded porn.

Not even close.

Like I said.

[Greater Independent Colorado]

the duluth model is the most common form of DV intervention in the united states and treats male victims like perpetrators.

The Duluth model is also criticized by many feminists, because it reinforces toxic masculinity by assuming that only men are capable of abusive acts.

The violations of due process in the UK and US over rape accusations are a violation of mens human rights and have occured in the justice system and dozens of universities respectively.

[citation needed]

(Alison saunders, head of the UK justice system, has been pushing this agenda for feminist reasons.)

[citation needed]

Speaking of the UK justice system, it uses explicit feminist rationales to recommend women receive less prison time for the same crime than men, introduced after feminist revisions to the judges handbook.

After doing some digging, I believe that I have found what you are referring to here, and the handbook provides ample justification for this decision, with sources cited. Here's a link, the section in question is the sixth section of the handbook, and is entitled "gender."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

the duluth model is the most common form of DV intervention in the united states and treats male victims like perpetrators.

The Duluth model is also criticized by many feminists, because it reinforces toxic masculinity by assuming that only men are capable of abusive acts.

The violations of due process in the UK and US over rape accusations are a violation of mens human rights and have occured in the justice system and dozens of universities respectively.

[citation needed]

(Alison saunders, head of the UK justice system, has been pushing this agenda for feminist reasons.)

[citation needed]

Speaking of the UK justice system, it uses explicit feminist rationales to recommend women receive less prison time for the same crime than men, introduced after feminist revisions to the judges handbook.

After doing some digging, I believe that I have found what you are referring to here, and the handbook provides ample justification for this decision, with sources cited. Here's a link, the section in question is the sixth section of the handbook, and is entitled "gender."

The only "toxic masculinity" it enforces is the feminist idea that all masculinity is toxic.

Holy shit, that book is repulsive! Do they hand that out in the UK legal system now? It reeks of gynocentric (a word I normally don't use, but it applies here) drivel. Its justifications are extremely thin, even going and basically saying "The punishments we give to men might not be just for women." Equality before the law is spinning in its grave. In its justification it frequently gives you one side of the data. It says "50% of women do this..." or "the main causes for women are this..." without doing the same for men, meaning there's no reference point and it's completely useless.

[Greater Independent Colorado]

The only "toxic masculinity" it enforces is the feminist idea that all masculinity is toxic.

You do realize that I was criticizing the Duluth model, right?

Holy shit, that book is repulsive! Do they hand that out in the UK legal system now? It reeks of gynocentric (a word I normally don't use, but it applies here) drivel. Its justifications are extremely thin, even going and basically saying "The punishments we give to men might not be just for women." Equality before the law is spinning in its grave. In its justification it frequently gives you one side of the data. It says "50% of women do this..." or "the main causes for women are this..." without doing the same for men, meaning there's no reference point and it's completely useless.

As far as I can tell, most, but not all, of the data cited in the article does give both sides of the information. The solutions presented are nonetheless band-aid solutions at best, and fail to address the systemic inequality which they stem from, and the vagueness and lack of specifics presented is absolutely a valid criticism. But, it doesn't simply say, "Men are evil," as Ostroeuropa was implying.

[Costa Fierro]

It's certainly not going to be educational if it's just five minutes of why male sexuality is oppressing women.

You have no imagination. We get it.

You don't need to have an imagination to know what will happen.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The only "toxic masculinity" it enforces is the feminist idea that all masculinity is toxic.

You do realize that I was criticizing the Duluth model, right?

Holy shit, that book is repulsive! Do they hand that out in the UK legal system now? It reeks of gynocentric (a word I normally don't use, but it applies here) drivel. Its justifications are extremely thin, even going and basically saying "The punishments we give to men might not be just for women." Equality before the law is spinning in its grave. In its justification it frequently gives you one side of the data. It says "50% of women do this..." or "the main causes for women are this..." without doing the same for men, meaning there's no reference point and it's completely useless.

As far as I can tell, most, but not all, of the data cited in the article does give both sides of the information. The solutions presented are nonetheless band-aid solutions at best, and fail to address the systemic inequality which they stem from, and the vagueness and lack of specifics presented is absolutely a valid criticism. But, it doesn't simply say, "Men are evil," as Ostroeuropa was implying.

Yes, but you're criticizing it for being patriarchal, for enforcing gender roles, when the only gender roles it's enforcing were created by feminists, and it's about as patriarchal as the Amazonians.

Some data gives both sides, but not enough. It doesn't say men are evil, but it clearly says female defendants and convicts need to be treated better, more sensitively, more thoughtfully and less strictly than their male counterparts. And lines like "Of course, men can suffer from gender discrimination too. This chapter reflects the reality that this is rarer," demonstrate that the paper is seething with feminist bias.

[Hirota]

The violations of due process in the UK and US over rape accusations are a violation of mens human rights and have occured in the justice system and dozens of universities respectively.

[citation needed]

Easy. Failures of disclosure to the defence are failures in due process. Bear in mind, that's 47 in 2 months - just under 300 a year. It didn't look at previous convictions, so all of a sudden we are looking at a few thousand violations of due process over the course of under 10 years.

You might say that's a small amount, I would respond with Blackstones formulation.

And the number could be a lot higher - disclosure issues were identified in over half of cases in a report

(Alison saunders, head of the UK justice system, has been pushing this agenda for feminist reasons.)

[citation needed]

Harder to demonstrate "feminist reasons", but easy to demonstrate an agenda.

"Over the last year we have worked hard to increase the volume of rape cases referred by the police and charged by prosecutors and our latest figures are certainly encouraging," she said.

"But even though there have been slightly more defendants convicted, the steady increase in conviction rates we have seen in recent years has halted, and this must be addressed immediately.

This isn't the rhetoric of someone allowing due process. This is the rhetoric someone who is looking for results, which contradicts the principles of a fair trial where the people who determine the result are the jury, not the prosecution, and certainly not the head of the prosecution.

Ironically, this results driven culture is probably what has led to the increase in failures and mistrials.

[West Leas Oros]

For a moment I legit thought East Germany was about to make a comeback. Instead I got D I S S A P O I N T M E N T

[Ostroeuropa]

the duluth model is the most common form of DV intervention in the united states and treats male victims like perpetrators.

The Duluth model is also criticized by many feminists, because it reinforces toxic masculinity by assuming that only men are capable of abusive acts.

The violations of due process in the UK and US over rape accusations are a violation of mens human rights and have occured in the justice system and dozens of universities respectively.

[citation needed]

(Alison saunders, head of the UK justice system, has been pushing this agenda for feminist reasons.)

[citation needed]

Speaking of the UK justice system, it uses explicit feminist rationales to recommend women receive less prison time for the same crime than men, introduced after feminist revisions to the judges handbook.

After doing some digging, I believe that I have found what you are referring to here, and the handbook provides ample justification for this decision, with sources cited. Here's a link, the section in question is the sixth section of the handbook, and is entitled "gender."

Three things you're ignoring on purpose:

1. Feminists who criticize the duluth model only seem to exist on the internet, not within institutions (It's the most common model used.), an exact reversal of the dynamic you pretended existed where the manhaters are powerless internet dwellers. At the very least, it's enough to make a mockery of your trite and well debunked assertion that such feminists don't exist in the real world.

2. You're rationalizing away the hatred and discrimination imposed by the examples, it's as blatant as people who impose discrimination on black people but don't ever say "Nigger nigger nigger."

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

The rationalizations don't excuse the common hatred and lack of empathy for men. Your reply lower down that it doesn't prove feminists hate men like i'm implying falls apart as a consequence.

3. You don't actually have any evidence that your assertion man haters don't exist except online, it's merely another gaslighting attempt from the feminist movement that ignores the evidence. To bring this back to the OP, there's the number of feminist campaigns that utilize statistics drawn from sexist definitions of rape that erase women perpetrators to frame rape as a womens issue, a good reason they shouldn't be trusted with sex ed.

[Islands of Washington]

For a moment I legit thought East Germany was about to make a comeback. Instead I got D I S S A P O I N T M E N T

Hasn't been East and West Germany for years man

[Liriena]

You have no imagination. We get it.

You don't need to have an imagination to know what will happen.

Never took you for a feminist-exclusive psychic.

[Liriena]

Melodramatic much?

State-produced porn was literally in the book.

Cool.