Germany Considers Seizing the Means of Reproduction

[Arlenton]

Sounds like they aren't searching too hard...

[MERIZoC]

I would love to see Theresa May approved porn on the BBC. It would be hilarious.

[The Burke Islands]

I would love to see Theresa May approved porn on the BBC. It would be hilarious.

Reported for nudity.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

I have yet to hear a reason for why this should matter.
If you want to use something as an argument you should first make your case for WHY this thing even matters.

Passing on the future generation to children, so your family line doesn't die out and so society continues. Even in nature animals have babies so they can continue living and providing for their society.

You never heard of IV or surrogacy? Or are you going to say that because the Orthodox and you find it “immoral”, those are not valid.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Gay couples can and do have children. There's many ways for them to have them, and yes, that includes "naturally". Insemination, donors, adoption, having sex with someone for the means of procreation, or if the partners happen to have the sex organs necessary to do so (not all queer couples are cis). Additionally, this sort of argument always comes down to the idea that the only valuable part of a relationship is the ability to have children. Are we going to start annulling the marriages of the infertile or elderly once they can no longer conceive?

I know gays have children, but gays do not naturally have children with eachother. As you've said they have to adopt, have a donor, or inseminate someone else to do it. Two men or two women can't create children by themselves to themselves.
And I never said it was a requirement as well to have children, but it certainly is part of life. Those who are elder or infertile but are married are still purer in the eyes of the Lord while not having children, than a gay couple who adopts kids or has one created with a surrogate mother.

Having children will never be a part of my life.

[The Free Joy State]

I feel like there's enough porn in the world already and being produced around the globe without states setting up their own Pornosec agencies or whatever, but I guess go Germany?

The future Pornazi party salutes you and invites you to try it's like of adult toys that are as stiff and flavorless as Hitler's walk.

Okay... so, I completely misread "walk"...

I would love to see Theresa May approved porn on the BBC. It would be hilarious.

MERIZoC, I'm surprised at you! You know Theresa May would never approve something so... *shudders*!

Theresa May approved-porn would be her and Phillip Hammond exchanging long, lingering looks over the red budget box and that is all!

[Danceria]

There are no words in Elvish, Entish, nor any tongues devised by man to express my feeling.

I suppose mad cackling and mockery dying down into a solemn depressing state.

How has it come to this?

[Liriena]

I mean... they do have a point about mainstream porn having some really questionable stuff going on.

I... actually kinda like the idea, to be honest. An alternative form of porn that does away with the questionable stereotypes and clichés, and is devoid of a commercial incentive, sounds pretty good. We kinda already were getting that with amateur porn, though... but the more the merrier, I guess?

[Liriena]

There are no words in Elvish, Entish, nor any tongues devised by man to express my feeling.

I suppose mad cackling and mockery dying down into a solemn depressing state.

How has it come to this?

Melodramatic and abuses Tolkien's prose?

Hot damn.

[Danceria]

I mean... they do have a point about mainstream porn having some really questionable stuff going on.

I... actually kinda like the idea, to be honest. An alternative form of porn that does away with the questionable stereotypes and clichés, and is devoid of a commercial incentive, sounds pretty good. We kinda already were getting that with amateur porn, though... but the more the merrier, I guess?

Excuse me, but isn't this coming from the exact same group of people who claim that women are more then sex objects? Why, on earth or any celestial object, would they think doing some femdom with taxpayer money is gonna do that? What would be the purpose at all? How/why would this somehow inspire women to pursue STEM degrees, or really...do anything progressive?

[Liriena]

I know gays have children, but gays do not naturally have children with eachother. As you've said they have to adopt, have a donor, or inseminate someone else to do it. Two men or two women can't create children by themselves to themselves.
And I never said it was a requirement as well to have children, but it certainly is part of life. Those who are elder or infertile but are married are still purer in the eyes of the Lord while not having children, than a gay couple who adopts kids or has one created with a surrogate mother.

Having children will never be a part of my life.

Heyooo ;3

[Islands of Washington]

This just saddens me.

[Liriena]

I mean... they do have a point about mainstream porn having some really questionable stuff going on.

I... actually kinda like the idea, to be honest. An alternative form of porn that does away with the questionable stereotypes and clichés, and is devoid of a commercial incentive, sounds pretty good. We kinda already were getting that with amateur porn, though... but the more the merrier, I guess?

Excuse me, but isn't this coming from the exact same group of people who claim that women are more then sex objects? Why, on earth or any celestial object, would they think doing some femdom with taxpayer money is gonna do that? What would be the purpose at all? How/why would this somehow inspire women to pursue STEM degrees, or really...do anything progressive?

That's quite a big lot of loaded questions, m'dude... but I'll give them a shot.

1. Not necessarily.
2. Maybe they are sex-positive feminists who think that the problems with porn can be solved by creating new kinds of porn, with a new sort of gaze, framing, casting, etc., rather than by abolishing porn altogether?
3. Apparently to create a richer, somewhat educational alternative to a very popular form of sexual entertainment that can influence how many people think of sex in real life?
4. What an odd question, that last one. Seriously. It kind of feels like a non sequitur.

[Petrasylvania]

Excuse me, but isn't this coming from the exact same group of people who claim that women are more then sex objects? Why, on earth or any celestial object, would they think doing some femdom with taxpayer money is gonna do that? What would be the purpose at all? How/why would this somehow inspire women to pursue STEM degrees, or really...do anything progressive?

That's quite a big lot of loaded questions, m'dude... but I'll give them a shot.

1. Not necessarily.
2. Maybe they are sex-positive feminists who think that the problems with porn can be solved by creating new kinds of porn, with a new sort of gaze, framing, casting, etc., rather than by abolishing porn altogether?
3. Apparently to create a richer, somewhat educational alternative to a very popular form of sexual entertainment that can influence how many people think of sex in real life?
4. What an odd question, that last one. Seriously. It kind of feels like a non sequitur.

Too many people assume all feminists are Skoptsys.

[Danceria]

Excuse me, but isn't this coming from the exact same group of people who claim that women are more then sex objects? Why, on earth or any celestial object, would they think doing some femdom with taxpayer money is gonna do that? What would be the purpose at all? How/why would this somehow inspire women to pursue STEM degrees, or really...do anything progressive?

That's quite a big lot of loaded questions, m'dude... but I'll give them a shot.

1. Not necessarily.
2. Maybe they are sex-positive feminists who think that the problems with porn can be solved by creating new kinds of porn, with a new sort of gaze, framing, casting, etc., rather than by abolishing porn altogether?
3. Apparently to create a richer, somewhat educational alternative to a very popular form of sexual entertainment that can influence how many people think of sex in real life?
4. What an odd question, that last one. Seriously. It kind of feels like a non sequitur.

Forgive me for I am tired, and not fully operational with arguments and CITATIONS NEEEDED. Though I will note that every feminist I talked with want women not to be treated like sex objects, or complain of oversexualization. The main point being that crap (pornography in the way it laughably depicts sex) being placed in a gold bowl (sex positive feminism) is still crap. Who gives a rat's ass about who's on top? Who cares about sex, really? In relationships, should you care more about the person, rather than what they do?

TL;DR: Sex is temporary, STEM is forever. Find a honest to goodness person you like and do all the kinky shit you'd like.

I should really go to sleep.

[Longweather]

So, I'm confused by this. It sounds like fetish porn... There's tons of the stuff floating around the internet and PornHub is a thing. What exactly would make this porn "feminist"?

[Painisia]

Then CNN should broadcast some diversity porn as well!

[Liriena]

That's quite a big lot of loaded questions, m'dude... but I'll give them a shot.

1. Not necessarily.
2. Maybe they are sex-positive feminists who think that the problems with porn can be solved by creating new kinds of porn, with a new sort of gaze, framing, casting, etc., rather than by abolishing porn altogether?
3. Apparently to create a richer, somewhat educational alternative to a very popular form of sexual entertainment that can influence how many people think of sex in real life?
4. What an odd question, that last one. Seriously. It kind of feels like a non sequitur.

Forgive me for I am tired, and not fully operational with arguments and CITATIONS NEEEDED. Though I will note that every feminist I talked with want women not to be treated like sex objects, or complain of oversexualization.

It's a legitimate complaint, but not one that precludes feminist sex-positivity that would include support for alternative forms of porn. Porn is often objectifying of women through a "male gaze" (even "lesbian" porn suffers from this problem), but this doesn't necessarily make female objectification a quality quintessential to porn.

I think a lot of amateur porn illustrates this, insofar as a lot of it features people who are genuinely enjoying themselves and each other, and in which the framing often differs from that of mainstream porn (due to the limitations of its production values and lack of an equivalent commercial incentive). In those cases, objectification hypothetically wouldn't be as much of a problem, because there is neither the intent or the industrially produced obligation, to objetify, and the actors are given greater agency in their own performances.

The main point being that crap (pornography in the way it laughably depicts sex) being placed in a gold bowl (sex positive feminism) is still crap. Who gives a rat's ass about who's on top? Who cares about sex, really? In relationships, should you care more about the person, rather than what they do?

TL;DR: Sex is temporary, STEM is forever. Find a honest to goodness person you like and do all the kinky shit you'd like.

I care about sex, and specially how it's represented by our culture industry, because it's a window into our own culture's ideas about sex, and it influences how we think about it as well. It deserves study and, if there's something wrong with it, a better alternative.

Also, one can care deeply about someone while also caring about how you do the nasty with them.

Also, screw STEM. Social sciences major FTW!

I should really go to sleep.

Shouldn't we all?

[Liriena]

So, I'm confused by this. It sounds like fetish porn... There's tons of the stuff floating around the internet and PornHub is a thing. What exactly would make this porn "feminist"?

I imagine the framing, casting, directing, etc., would all be worked from a critical perspective?

It could well be like the difference between the Charlie's Angels movies and Mad Max: Fury Road.

[Liriena]

Then CNN should broadcast some diversity porn as well!

If they get rid of their pannels and holograms to do it, it'll be worth it.

[Danceria]

This just saddens me.

Your profile pic, you and me can all sit together, sharing this complex feel together.

[Militant Costco]

Then CNN should broadcast some diversity porn as well!

If they get rid of their pannels and holograms to do it, it'll be worth it.

I really don't need a political pundit analyzing my porn.

And ffs why can't porn just be porn? Has anyone ever thought maybe our porn is "sexist" because of our culture and not the other way around?

[Longweather]

So, I'm confused by this. It sounds like fetish porn... There's tons of the stuff floating around the internet and PornHub is a thing. What exactly would make this porn "feminist"?

I imagine the framing, casting, directing, etc., would all be worked from a critical perspective?

It could well be like the difference between the Charlie's Angels movies and Mad Max: Fury Road.

What does that even mean? Who watches festish porn for the "critical perspective"?

[Liriena]

Has anyone ever thought maybe our porn is "sexist" because of our culture and not the other way around?

Yes. And that anyone is called "most feminists".

I imagine the framing, casting, directing, etc., would all be worked from a critical perspective?

It could well be like the difference between the Charlie's Angels movies and Mad Max: Fury Road.

What does that even mean? Who watches festish porn for the "critical perspective"?

I'd definitely love more porn that tries new, bolder and less lazy ways of trying to arouse us, and even introduces us to cool new ways of looking at our own sexuality. Most mainstream porn generally operates on the same logic as whoever came up with last year's The Mummy: derivative, stereotypical, low creative effort, safe.

Again: Charlie's Angels vs Mad Max: Fury Road. The latter was written from a more critical perspective, and it bled into its direction and cinematography. And it was glorious.

[Liriena]

What does that even mean? Who watches festish porn for the "critical perspective"?

Porn critics.

Sounds like a fun job, regardless of morality, not gonna lie.

EDIT: Guys did I kill the thread? It was meant to be a joke.

You jest, but if you asked some porn actors, they might talk to you about their work in terms that, if you didn't know it was porn, you'd think it was just regular film production (cinematography, directing, chemistry between performers, etc.). The mainstream porn industry works like every other culture industry, meaning that it's as heavily codified as it is imbued with some degree of artistry.