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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:13 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:This is not how I imagined Nineteen Eighty Four to enter the real world.

Melodramatic much?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:18 am

Liriena wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:This is not how I imagined Nineteen Eighty Four to enter the real world.

Melodramatic much?

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:23 am

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Liriena wrote:Melodramatic much?

Big Brother Is Watching You Get Off.

The NSA is like that, yes.


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Postby New Owca » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:29 am

Do people not already know porn is made with actors? Is this really something that needs to be taught?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:39 am

Educational pornography is a good idea, but I wouldn't trust feminists with this project.
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Postby Ieskarios » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:48 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Educational pornography is a good idea, but I wouldn't trust feminists with this project.

As far as I'm concerned, the only educational material the government should make would be related to the country's language, cultural norms and history. (Especially with their rising migrant population)
Government shouldn't also be educating people on sex with pornography, that's something the parents should be talking to their kids about. And does Germany not already have any sex ed programs?
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Postby Mushet » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:50 am

I thought this thread was gonna be about Germany harvesting penises :(

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:51 am

Ieskarios wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Educational pornography is a good idea, but I wouldn't trust feminists with this project.

As far as I'm concerned, the only educational material the government should make would be related to the country's language, cultural norms and history. (Especially with their rising migrant population)
Government shouldn't also be educating people on sex with pornography, that's something the parents should be talking to their kids about. And does Germany not already have any sex ed programs?


I'm bored of the idea that we shouldn't teach technique. For one thing it's a simple means to apply psychological pressure to conservatives and foreign nations. The teaching of sex education including things like mutual consent and so on along with an understanding of particular methods and so on is a positive good for our citizens in terms of protecting them, making them happier, as well as a nationalist project in terms of improving our standing abroad as well as engaging in psychological warfare against conservative cultures.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:54 am

Mushet wrote:I thought this thread was gonna be about Germany harvesting penises :(


My god. Sounds like some kind of "If males gave birth, what would a c-section be like?" thing...
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:12 am

Ieskarios wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Educational pornography is a good idea, but I wouldn't trust feminists with this project.

As far as I'm concerned, the only educational material the government should make would be related to the country's language, cultural norms and history. (Especially with their rising migrant population)
Government shouldn't also be educating people on sex with pornography, that's something the parents should be talking to their kids about. And does Germany not already have any sex ed programs?

Some surveys have found that over half of men could not correctly identify the vagina (as distinct from the vulva). Worse still, many women can't identify it either (44% in one survey). More than half of men surveyed also said they wouldn't be comfortable discussing gynecological health issues with their partner. 17% of men said they know nothing about the topic and don't think they need to because it's a "woman's issue"

https://nypost.com/2017/08/31/50-of-men ... -a-vagina/
http://www.health.com/sexual-health/men ... ify-vagina

People do not have basic reproductive health knowledge. Most people don't know the proper way to put on a male condom, most have never even heard of female condoms, and people are generally clueless at other measures of birth control and necessary practices for avoided STD transmissions or how STDs are spread.

People aren't taught consent, and many don't understand basic ideas such as the fact that consent can be revoked at any point during sex by anyone involved. They don't know how to communicate their sexual desires and in fact have been told that communication isn't sexy and "ruins the mood", rather than being something basic to ensure consent, safety, and comfort for all involved.

I can go on, but people in general have terrible knowledge about sexual health. The education we currently have isn't cutting it. We need more education about sex. The idea of abandoning it altogether is ludicrous, and would see and explosion in unplanned pregnancies, teenage pregnancies, STD transmission rates, injuries during sex, and sexual assault.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:38 am

Threlizdun wrote:
Ieskarios wrote:As far as I'm concerned, the only educational material the government should make would be related to the country's language, cultural norms and history. (Especially with their rising migrant population)
Government shouldn't also be educating people on sex with pornography, that's something the parents should be talking to their kids about. And does Germany not already have any sex ed programs?

Some surveys have found that over half of men could not correctly identify the vagina (as distinct from the vulva). Worse still, many women can't identify it either (44% in one survey). More than half of men surveyed also said they wouldn't be comfortable discussing gynecological health issues with their partner. 17% of men said they know nothing about the topic and don't think they need to because it's a "woman's issue"

https://nypost.com/2017/08/31/50-of-men ... -a-vagina/
http://www.health.com/sexual-health/men ... ify-vagina

People do not have basic reproductive health knowledge. Most people don't know the proper way to put on a male condom, most have never even heard of female condoms, and people are generally clueless at other measures of birth control and necessary practices for avoided STD transmissions or how STDs are spread.

People aren't taught consent, and many don't understand basic ideas such as the fact that consent can be revoked at any point during sex by anyone involved. They don't know how to communicate their sexual desires and in fact have been told that communication isn't sexy and "ruins the mood", rather than being something basic to ensure consent, safety, and comfort for all involved.

I can go on, but people in general have terrible knowledge about sexual health. The education we currently have isn't cutting it. We need more education about sex. The idea of abandoning it altogether is ludicrous, and would see and explosion in unplanned pregnancies, teenage pregnancies, STD transmission rates, injuries during sex, and sexual assault.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:39 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Big Brother Is Watching You Get Off.

The NSA is like that, yes.

[waves at the FBI agent in my laptop's camera] Sorry for all that Starfighter fanfiction.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:40 am

Ieskarios wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Educational pornography is a good idea, but I wouldn't trust feminists with this project.

As far as I'm concerned, the only educational material the government should make would be related to the country's language, cultural norms and history. (Especially with their rising migrant population)
Government shouldn't also be educating people on sex with pornography, that's something the parents should be talking to their kids about. And does Germany not already have any sex ed programs?

This dull idea that sex ed should be left to parents is why the Bible Belt has much higher teen pregnancy rates.

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Postby Greater Independent Colorado » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:45 am

Islands of Washington wrote:American Feminism is what I was using in example. God they are a bunch weirdo's...

Y'know, I keep hearing about these "evil man-hating SJW's," but I've never seen a reliable source for their existence, let alone widespread influence, outside of screenshots from Tumblr accounts with 3 followers.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:48 am

Greater Independent Colorado wrote:
Islands of Washington wrote:American Feminism is what I was using in example. God they are a bunch weirdo's...

Y'know, I keep hearing about these "evil man-hating SJW's," but I've never seen a reliable source for their existence, let alone widespread influence, outside of screenshots from Tumblr accounts with 3 followers.


the duluth model is the most common form of DV intervention in the united states and treats male victims like perpetrators.

The violations of due process in the UK and US over rape accusations are a violation of mens human rights and have occured in the justice system and dozens of universities respectively. (Alison saunders, head of the UK justice system, has been pushing this agenda for feminist reasons.)

Speaking of the UK justice system, it uses explicit feminist rationales to recommend women receive less prison time for the same crime than men, introduced after feminist revisions to the judges handbook.

These are just three examples. If you're still in denial over the misandry and hatred of males having widespread influence, go to the feminist thread and we'll discuss it.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:51 am

Islands of Washington wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Don't pretend you don't have a huge femdom folder.



Chancellor.

The existence of porn that you do not like does not ruin all of porn.

This really isn't what they seem to be going for at all.

I don't understand why you're so upset that Germany might be trying to give people more realistic ideas of how sex happens between people who aren't professional porn actors.


American Feminism is what I was using in example. God they are a bunch weirdo's...

That's not really meaningful as a criticism.


New Owca wrote:Do people not already know porn is made with actors? Is this really something that needs to be taught?

Bond movies are made with actors. Is MI6 real?
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I see no problem with government funded porn.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:55 am

Olthar wrote:I see no problem with government funded porn.

I mean, if I'm gonna get taxed, it'd be nice to see my money go to something hot and fun.
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New Owca wrote:Do people not already know porn is made with actors? Is this really something that needs to be taught?

To hear some sex educators tell it, young people can have some really dumb ideas about what sex is supposed to be like because of porn.
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Liriena wrote:
Olthar wrote:I see no problem with government funded porn.

I mean, if I'm gonna get taxed, it'd be nice to see my money go to something hot and fun.

Well, bombs tend to make things hot, too. Though, I wouldn't describe them as "fun," so you have a point there.
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Postby Gospel Power » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:58 am

Not a surprise, degeneracy is very strong in that nation, so why not to make that even stronger
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Liriena wrote:
New Owca wrote:Do people not already know porn is made with actors? Is this really something that needs to be taught?

To hear some sex educators tell it, young people can have some really dumb ideas about what sex is supposed to be like because of porn.

I'm a virgin. Do guys really have twin six foot long horse dicks?
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Gospel Power wrote:Not a surprise, degeneracy is very strong in that nation, so why not to make that even stronger

Ah the good old meaningless buzzword for 'I find this icky'.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:09 am

Olthar wrote:
Liriena wrote:To hear some sex educators tell it, young people can have some really dumb ideas about what sex is supposed to be like because of porn.

I'm a virgin. Do guys really have twin six foot long horse dicks?

That's a little above average.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:09 am

Olthar wrote:
Liriena wrote:To hear some sex educators tell it, young people can have some really dumb ideas about what sex is supposed to be like because of porn.

I'm a virgin. Do guys really have twin six foot long horse dicks?

No ;_;
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