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Italy turns away ship of 600 illegal migrants

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:03 pm
by Trumptonium1
It's beginning!

Italy's new interior minister threatened to bar rescue ships from docking in the country's ports after Malta refused to take hundreds of migrants, reports say. Matteo Salvini sent a letter to the Maltese authorities saying he would 'be forced to close Italy's ports' if the 629 migrants saved by the French charity SOS Mediterranee weren't allowed to land at Malta's capital Valletta. SOS Mediterranee said the passengers on its ship, the Aquarius, included 400 people who were picked up by the Italian navy, the country's coastguard and private cargo ships and transferred.

The rescue ship's crew pulled 229 migrants from the water or from traffickers' unseaworthy boats on Saturday night, including 123 unaccompanied children and seven pregnant women. 'Our sole objective is to bring the people we've rescued, in difficult conditions yesterday, to a port of safety,' the group said in a statement.

Leader of the anti-migrant League party Mr Salvini, also deputy prime minister, tweeted yesterday: 'Starting today, Italy, too, begins to say NO to the trafficking of human beings, NO to the business of clandestine immigration'.

The aid group said in a statement it had taken 'good note' of Mr Salvini's stance, as reported earlier by Italian media. It added that the Aquarius 'is still waiting for definitive instructions regarding the port of safety'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... women.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44432056

(BBC)

He said on Sunday that Italy was saying "no to human trafficking, no to the business of illegal immigration".

"Malta takes in nobody," he said. "France pushes people back at the border, Spain defends its frontier with weapons."

"It is not possible for Malta to say 'no' to every request for help. The Good Lord put Malta closer than Sicily to Africa."

Last week, Mr Salvini said Rome should increase its deportations of migrants and the Italian government also wants to relocate asylum seekers EU-wide - a scheme already rejected by some member states.

Mr Salvini says he is considering action against organisations rescuing migrants at sea. He has previously accused them of being in cahoots with people-smugglers.

The government's critics say its plan to repatriate migrants is unworkable and risks fomenting racism and politicising a humanitarian issue. A controversial deal between Italy's former government and authorities in Libya has led to a drop in overall arrivals since last summer but Italian officials say 13,500 migrants have been registered so far this year.

Mr Salvini earlier accused the Maltese government of not doing its fair share when another rescue ship, the Seefuchs, was stranded in volatile seas with 126 migrants on board. Malta reportedly refused to send assistance to the vessel and it was allowed to dock in the Sicilian port of Pozzallo on Saturday, the non-governmental organisation Sea Watch reported. Malta's government insisted it had adhered to all its obligations regarding immigration.


Thoughts?

I think this is a good first step by a frontline country (bar Turkey, for ulterior motives) to stem the flow of clandestine immigration into Europe.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:22 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy
It seems Europe is beginning to grow tired of droves of illegal immigrants drifting across the Mediterranean, and are taking a harsher stance against it.

They have taken millions, they cannot take anymore.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:48 pm
by Ieskarios
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:It seems Europe is beginning to grow tired of droves of illegal immigrants drifting across the Mediterranean, and are taking a harsher stance against it.

They have taken millions, they cannot take anymore.

Italy and Greece especially should be tired of the waves of immigrants, they're bearing the brunt of it.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:51 pm
by The Portland Territory
I've been waiting for this moment for years

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:52 pm
by Thermodolia
Good on Italy. First Hungary and now them. I hope that more will follow

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:52 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
Rescue ships? They couldn’t possibly let those poor people on land with a hot meal?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:53 pm
by The Portland Territory
Thermodolia wrote:Good on Italy. First Hungary and now them. I hope that more will follow

*blinks eyes*

You're joking, right?

I know it's been months since we've last talked, Thermy, but dude............

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:53 pm
by The South Falls
We should really if we're going to take people in, redistribute who does it. From "some take many and some take none" to, "all take some". Otherwise, we've got nations like Italy faced with heartbreaking situations of turning away migrants at the border, and crushing their dreams, while other countries act indifferent towards the problem.

Also, how about dock them, give 'em some food. They're probably starving! And some new clothes. They're humans, after all. Those below us in social status are still humans.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:54 pm
by The Portland Territory
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Rescue ships? They couldn’t possibly let those poor people on land with a hot meal?

Why should they?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:54 pm
by Fartsniffage
The Portland Territory wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Good on Italy. First Hungary and now them. I hope that more will follow

*blinks eyes*

You're joking, right?

I know it's been months since we've last talked, Thermy, but dude............


They're not Americans or Jews so Thermy don't care.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:55 pm
by The Portland Territory
The South Falls wrote:We should really if we're going to take people in, redistribute who does it. From "some take many and some take none" to, "all take some". Otherwise, we've got nations like Italy faced with heartbreaking situations of turning away migrants at the border, and crushing their dreams, while other countries act indifferent towards the problem.

> We should really if we're going to take people in

Do you think we should bring in the economic migrants at all?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:55 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
The Portland Territory wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Rescue ships? They couldn’t possibly let those poor people on land with a hot meal?

Why should they?

Cuz many of those human beings almost died

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:57 pm
by Salus Maior
I think it's pretty clear that Europe has already taken in enough refugees. Perhaps it is time that they started saying no.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:57 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy
The South Falls wrote:We should really if we're going to take people in, redistribute who does it. From "some take many and some take none" to, "all take some". Otherwise, we've got nations like Italy faced with heartbreaking situations of turning away migrants at the border, and crushing their dreams, while other countries act indifferent towards the problem.


I'm (not) sorry for crushing these (illegal, may I remind you) immigrants' dreams.

There is an entire system they can apply for citizenship or asylum, and drifting across the Mediterranean on a flimsy dinghy with unattended children and pregnant women is not part of said system.

Most of them don't even come from war-torn countries!

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:57 pm
by The Portland Territory
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Why should they?

Cuz many of those human beings almost died

Well who's decision was it to go on the boat and enter Italy illegally?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:58 pm
by The South Falls
[quote="The Portland Territory";p="34173612"][quote="The South Falls";p="34173605"]We should really if we're going to take people in, redistribute who does it. From "some take many and some take none" to, "all take some". Otherwise, we've got nations like Italy faced with heartbreaking situations of turning away migrants at the border, and crushing their dreams, while other countries act indifferent towards the problem.[/quote]
> We should really if we're going to take people in

Do you think we should bring in the economic migrants at all?[/quote]
They're useful because they are people too. Bring in those who can work, and their dependents and those who cannot work will be referred to a nation who takes those in. Take pregnant women and any of their dependents in. Bring in the elderly. Those people are at highest risk.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:59 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Why should they?

Cuz many of those human beings almost died


Their fault for deciding that risking their lives drifting across the sea (drowning, capsizing, etc...) was somehow a better alternative than applying for asylum, residency, or citizenship to their nation of choice, to be honest.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:59 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
The Portland Territory wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Cuz many of those human beings almost died

Well who's decision was it to go on the boat and enter Italy illegally?

Poor desperate people, mostly fleeing a brutal civil war that’s killed many civilians

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:59 pm
by Farnhamia
The Portland Territory wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Cuz many of those human beings almost died

Well who's decision was it to go on the boat and enter Italy illegally?

Let's be careful about wishing death on real people, okay? Not saying that's what you're doing here but it's an easy slip to make in this thread.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:00 pm
by Salus Maior
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Well who's decision was it to go on the boat and enter Italy illegally?

Poor desperate people, mostly fleeing a brutal civil war that’s killed many civilians


They're not from Syria. They're from Africa.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:01 pm
by The Portland Territory
Farnhamia wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Well who's decision was it to go on the boat and enter Italy illegally?

Let's be careful about wishing death on real people, okay? Not saying that's what you're doing here but it's an easy slip to make in this thread.

Noted

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:01 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy
Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Poor desperate people, mostly fleeing a brutal civil war that’s killed many civilians


Are they from Syria?


If I recall correctly, most of them are from North Africa or sub-Saharan Africa (both of which have basically no ongoing civil wars).

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:01 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Poor desperate people, mostly fleeing a brutal civil war that’s killed many civilians


They're not from Syria. They're from Africa.

Oh ok
So just horrible poverty, disease and civil wars

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:02 pm
by The Portland Territory
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Well who's decision was it to go on the boat and enter Italy illegally?

Poor desperate people, mostly fleeing a brutal civil war that’s killed many civilians

Errr, what wars? I dont recall anything going on there rn that's widespread or beyond local qualms.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:02 pm
by Farnhamia
The Portland Territory wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Let's be careful about wishing death on real people, okay? Not saying that's what you're doing here but it's an easy slip to make in this thread.

Noted

And everyone else, note that my caution was not only for Portland.