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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:26 pm

Cekoviu wrote:They are not illegal migrants if they intend to apply for refugee status. Y'all need to learn about international law.

Intending to be X does not automatically make you X, however. The majority of these people are not refugees, theyre economic migrants
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:27 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I can’t
I can’t get a job other then being a prostitute


So what makes you think with that skill set you'll be anything other than a prostitute anywhere else?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:27 pm

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The Portland Territory wrote:Why should they?

Cuz many of those human beings almost died

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:27 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
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Better yet - impound the ships, turn them into fishing vessels/merchant marines, and let the refugees already in the EU earn a living via fishing and/or merchant marine.

BRILLIANT.
Plus they'll have jobs and will be spending most of their time at sea instead of harassing the locals!


And, as an added bonus, they'll start learning basic economic concepts. Free education for them, and no cost for the taxpayers of Europe, win-win. Well, except for those who used to own the boats, but hey, it's for the good of humanity!
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:28 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:The majority of posters espousing Right-Wing views outside of the containment board RWDT? What's going on here?


I don't know, it's something magical.

I'm about as surprised as you are.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:28 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sure but do something for these people
Send them back with aid workers


That works, as long as we have enough aid workers that volunteer.

That’s all I want
There’s a humane way to handle the migrant crisis
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:29 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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So what makes you think with that skill set you'll be anything other than a prostitute anywhere else?

I have other skills
Society beat me into what I am
And now the only time I’m not depressed is when I’m angry at other people being treated awful for wanting something better


If you have other skills, then you can do something else.

Blaming others for things you're not doing isn't going to get you anywhere. In Africa or anywhere else.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:29 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:I'm trying not to tread the line Farn gave me, but why can't they just band together and drive out these warlords? Arm themselves and protect their communities?


This is often used and the simple matter of the fact that where conflicts usually are, they can't. So they leave or they die. But I doubt most of these are people fleeing conflict.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:30 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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How touching.

Now take your hope and build something worthwhile in your own bloody country.

I can’t
I can’t get a job other then being a prostitute


Didn't you serve as a soldier with the UN?


Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
That works, as long as we have enough aid workers that volunteer.

That’s all I want
There’s a humane way to handle the migrant crisis


True, but that requires a lot of volunteers, and leaders like JFK. Merkel... doesn't quite cut it. So volunteers are your only hope. Why don't you volunteer?
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WADA/IPC/IOC are begging Russia to form a strategic alliance with China. Perhaps it's time.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:31 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I have other skills
Society beat me into what I am
And now the only time I’m not depressed is when I’m angry at other people being treated awful for wanting something better


If you have other skills, then you can do something else.

Blaming others for things you're not doing isn't going to get you anywhere. In Africa or anywhere else.


Are you kidding me? That's how Wanda Sykes made her whole career! Ditto for Samantha Bee.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:31 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
That works, as long as we have enough aid workers that volunteer.

That’s all I want
There’s a humane way to handle the migrant crisis


Returning them to their countries of origin with the necessary skills and resources to build (or rebuild, in the case of Syria) their economies, infrastructure, and governmental integrity is an acceptable compromise to me.

But I will not be kind to those who come to Europe to do nothing but leech off of the welfare system and act like a drop of oil in water.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That’s all I want
There’s a humane way to handle the migrant crisis


Returning them to their countries of origin with the necessary skills and resources to build (or rebuild, in the case of Syria) their economies, infrastructure, and governmental integrity is an acceptable compromise to me.

But I will not be kind to those who come to Europe to do nothing but leech off of the welfare system and act like a drop of oil in water.


Letting them into the country for any reason is a bad idea. Once they're in they'll do whatever it takes to stay in.
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Postby Nationalist Nihon » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:33 pm

In the end, it's always the indigenous people of said country that a refugee is seeking asylum in that gets the shaft.

It's a big problem here in California. Someone that puts into the system for years and years gets nothing from because it's all going to the refugees. And why is that? Because this is the Democrats last vain attempt to keep themselves in power by basically bribing "legal immigrants" to vote for them.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Cuz many of those human beings almost died

Let me find my face of concern. Nope don’t got it

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:35 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Let me find my face of concern. Nope don’t got it

Some days I wish everyone could feel the pain of everyone else. Turn away from people suffering while they feel the water filling their own lungs

I've already got shit in my own toilet, why should I add the shit of others into it before flushing?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I can’t
I can’t get a job other then being a prostitute


Didn't you serve as a soldier with the UN?


Internationalist Bastard wrote:That’s all I want
There’s a humane way to handle the migrant crisis


True, but that requires a lot of volunteers, and leaders like JFK. Merkel... doesn't quite cut it. So volunteers are your only hope. Why don't you volunteer?

I was a soldier
And look where I’m at now
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I am a girl, damnit
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Didn't you serve as a soldier with the UN?




True, but that requires a lot of volunteers, and leaders like JFK. Merkel... doesn't quite cut it. So volunteers are your only hope. Why don't you volunteer?

I was a soldier
And look where I’m at now


So why not go back to being a soldier?
Ukraine - stop bombing innocent people! Pricks who burn other people alive should be punished.
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Come, learn about Russian Culture! Bring Vodka and Ushanka. Interested in Slavic Culture? Fill this out.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I have other skills
Society beat me into what I am
And now the only time I’m not depressed is when I’m angry at other people being treated awful for wanting something better


If you have other skills, then you can do something else.

Blaming others for things you're not doing isn't going to get you anywhere. In Africa or anywhere else.

Yeah yeah I’m a terrible person for being poor
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:37 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I was a soldier
And look where I’m at now


So why not go back to being a soldier?

Dishonorable discharge
I married a coworker like a monster
Call me Alex, I insist
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:37 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Let me find my face of concern. Nope don’t got it

Some days I wish everyone could feel the pain of everyone else. Turn away from people suffering while they feel the water filling their own lungs


It's a good thing that people don't. Because no one would be able to function if they always felt other peoples pain.

That is not to say that people shouldn't be empathetic, but we also shouldn't let empathy completely cloud our judgement into doing foolish policies. It is not our fault that these migrants are seeking European wealth, and we can't realistically help all of them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I was a soldier
And look where I’m at now


So why not go back to being a soldier?


That's not always possible. I was a soldier but could never be one again. These days I have metal in my ankle.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 pm

But this thread isn’t about me
Call me Alex, I insist
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
If you have other skills, then you can do something else.

Blaming others for things you're not doing isn't going to get you anywhere. In Africa or anywhere else.

Yeah yeah I’m a terrible person for being poor

Listen I aint gonna badger you, that'd be wrong, but being poor has nothing to fucking do with gaining new skills. You have the whole internet at your fingertips. Learn something that you like to do, find a good career type, then create a strategy to work towards that goal

If youre already paying for internet service you might as well do it
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:38 pm

Nationalist Nihon wrote:In the end, it's always the indigenous people of said country that a refugee is seeking asylum in that gets the shaft.

It's a big problem here in California. Someone that puts into the system for years and years gets nothing from because it's all going to the refugees. And why is that? Because this is the Democrats last vain attempt to keep themselves in power by basically bribing "legal immigrants" to vote for them.


It's all going to the refugees? All of it? So the developers, the builders, the healthcare lobby, the prison industrial complex, the "hardworking" administrators earning "mere" hundreds of thousands of dollars, the politicians, Jerry Brown's super-duper-speed-rail that will have massive cost overruns once again, none of those are as big of an issue as the refugees? You sure about that?
Ukraine - stop bombing innocent people! Pricks who burn other people alive should be punished.
WADA/IPC/IOC are begging Russia to form a strategic alliance with China. Perhaps it's time.
Come, learn about Russian Culture! Bring Vodka and Ushanka. Interested in Slavic Culture? Fill this out.
If we tell the radical Republicans that there's proof that Global Warming doesn't exist in Death Valley, and the radical Democrats that there's proof of Russian Collusion there, would we have a better America?

(North) Kosovo is (a de facto part of) Serbia and Crimea is (a de facto part of) Russia! DonBass is De Facto Independent! Stand with NovoRossiya!
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:39 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Let me find my face of concern. Nope don’t got it

Some days I wish everyone could feel the pain of everyone else. Turn away from people suffering while they feel the water filling their own lungs


My grandfather has been held at gunpoint during the Angolan Civil, so frankly, I have a secondhand clue of this pain.

It's when this pain becomes a tool to exploit and abuse people's kindness that it becomes despicable.

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