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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:16 pm

Shofercia wrote:Damn, Italy's spicing it up. It'll be interesting to watch how other countries react, aside from very strongly worded letters.

They will announce how deeply concerned they are and I wonder if they'll follow it up and start impounding the ships of all these "Human Rights Groups" for supporting Human smuggling.

If the Human Smugglers get out to sea and realize there won't be a bunch of fools willing to pick up the people they dump it'll ruin their operation.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:17 pm

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Being smuggled costing less than applying for asylum, residency or citizenship is kind of nullified by them believing that risking their LIVES (which is kind of priceless considering you only have one) drifting across the Mediterranean on a dangerous raft or flimsy dinghy with not even a 100% guaranteed chance that whatever country you land in (if they make it to begin with) will accept them is somehow worth it.

And when some of these people decide to put UNATTENDED children or their pregnant wives on said dangerous ventures, one might question the sanity or resolve of those people at times.

Depending on who your smuggler is. Anyway, it takes forever to become a citizen. Are you going to sit and wait for 10 years to flee your dire conditions?


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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:17 pm

The South Falls wrote:
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Being smuggled costing less than applying for asylum, residency or citizenship is kind of nullified by them believing that risking their LIVES (which is kind of priceless considering you only have one) drifting across the Mediterranean on a dangerous raft or flimsy dinghy with not even a 100% guaranteed chance that whatever country you land in (if they make it to begin with) will accept them is somehow worth it.

And when some of these people decide to put UNATTENDED children or their pregnant wives on said dangerous ventures, one might question the sanity or resolve of those people at times.

Depending on who your smuggler is. Anyway, it takes forever to become a citizen. Are you going to sit and wait for 10 years to flee your dire conditions?


Asylum or permanent residency does not take ten years to obtain, but citizenship might depending on the country.

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Postby Western Vapia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:18 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:It's beginning!

Italy's new interior minister threatened to bar rescue ships from docking in the country's ports after Malta refused to take hundreds of migrants, reports say. Matteo Salvini sent a letter to the Maltese authorities saying he would 'be forced to close Italy's ports' if the 629 migrants saved by the French charity SOS Mediterranee weren't allowed to land at Malta's capital Valletta. SOS Mediterranee said the passengers on its ship, the Aquarius, included 400 people who were picked up by the Italian navy, the country's coastguard and private cargo ships and transferred.

The rescue ship's crew pulled 229 migrants from the water or from traffickers' unseaworthy boats on Saturday night, including 123 unaccompanied children and seven pregnant women. 'Our sole objective is to bring the people we've rescued, in difficult conditions yesterday, to a port of safety,' the group said in a statement.

Leader of the anti-migrant League party Mr Salvini, also deputy prime minister, tweeted yesterday: 'Starting today, Italy, too, begins to say NO to the trafficking of human beings, NO to the business of clandestine immigration'.

The aid group said in a statement it had taken 'good note' of Mr Salvini's stance, as reported earlier by Italian media. It added that the Aquarius 'is still waiting for definitive instructions regarding the port of safety'.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44432056

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He said on Sunday that Italy was saying "no to human trafficking, no to the business of illegal immigration".

"Malta takes in nobody," he said. "France pushes people back at the border, Spain defends its frontier with weapons."

"It is not possible for Malta to say 'no' to every request for help. The Good Lord put Malta closer than Sicily to Africa."

Last week, Mr Salvini said Rome should increase its deportations of migrants and the Italian government also wants to relocate asylum seekers EU-wide - a scheme already rejected by some member states.

Mr Salvini says he is considering action against organisations rescuing migrants at sea. He has previously accused them of being in cahoots with people-smugglers.

The government's critics say its plan to repatriate migrants is unworkable and risks fomenting racism and politicising a humanitarian issue. A controversial deal between Italy's former government and authorities in Libya has led to a drop in overall arrivals since last summer but Italian officials say 13,500 migrants have been registered so far this year.

Mr Salvini earlier accused the Maltese government of not doing its fair share when another rescue ship, the Seefuchs, was stranded in volatile seas with 126 migrants on board. Malta reportedly refused to send assistance to the vessel and it was allowed to dock in the Sicilian port of Pozzallo on Saturday, the non-governmental organisation Sea Watch reported. Malta's government insisted it had adhered to all its obligations regarding immigration.


Thoughts?

I think this is a good first step by a frontline country (bar Turkey, for ulterior motives) to stem the flow of clandestine immigration into Europe.


Very much approve. The illegal migrants in Europe have not done anyone any good.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:18 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Those people aren’t thinking like that. They’re seeing people die their families in danger and nobody doing anything. Out of desperation they flee for their lives, and take the first crappy boat they can get on to go somewhere better. Many of them drown, starve, die of thirst or heat stroke. And these people are on that brink when a ship rescues them. They’re told they’ll be on land soon. And before they can even touch the ground their turned around told to go back and try harder


And this is why we need to rebuild Africa, rather than re-bomb Africa. Ditto for the Middle East.

I agree but blaming these people is just making them grow more cynical and less likely to help
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:19 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Damn, Italy's spicing it up. It'll be interesting to watch how other countries react, aside from very strongly worded letters.

They will announce how deeply concerned they are and I wonder if they'll follow it up and start impounding the ships of all these "Human Rights Groups" for supporting Human smuggling.

If the Human Smugglers get out to sea and realize there won't be a bunch of fools willing to pick up the people they dump it'll ruin their operation.


Better yet - impound the ships, turn them into fishing vessels/merchant marines, and let the refugees already in the EU earn a living via fishing and/or merchant marine.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:19 pm

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Millions of refugees is one person?

Those people aren’t thinking like that. They’re seeing people die their families in danger and nobody doing anything. Out of desperation they flee for their lives, and take the first crappy boat they can get on to go somewhere better. Many of them drown, starve, die of thirst or heat stroke. And these people are on that brink when a ship rescues them. They’re told they’ll be on land soon. And before they can even touch the ground their turned around told to go back and try harder


Real emotional.

Europe's not responsible for their welfare, or for the fact that they're foolish enough to try that kind of crossing out of some idealized vision they're never going to actually see anyway.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:20 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Those people aren’t thinking like that. They’re seeing people die their families in danger and nobody doing anything. Out of desperation they flee for their lives, and take the first crappy boat they can get on to go somewhere better. Many of them drown, starve, die of thirst or heat stroke. And these people are on that brink when a ship rescues them. They’re told they’ll be on land soon. And before they can even touch the ground their turned around told to go back and try harder


Real emotional.

Europe's not responsible for their welfare, or for the fact that they're foolish enough to try that kind of crossing out of some idealized vision they're never going to actually see anyway.

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:21 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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Real emotional.

Europe's not responsible for their welfare, or for the fact that they're foolish enough to try that kind of crossing out of some idealized vision they're never going to actually see anyway.

Hope is the last crutch of the desperate

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:21 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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And this is why we need to rebuild Africa, rather than re-bomb Africa. Ditto for the Middle East.

I agree but blaming these people is just making them grow more cynical and less likely to help
You spend enough time getting kicked you eventually just give up on anything mattering. The world seems unfair and nothing matters. So you just stop caring about anything, you get a shitty job that helps nobody, maybe even hurts people. But the hope is gone, so why bother rebuilding?


Oh, boo hoo. We're not responsible for their attitudes or for the fact that they're running away from their own countries to get on European welfare.

If they're not trying to put anything worthwhile together in their own countries, why would they in a foreign one?
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:22 pm

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And this is why we need to rebuild Africa, rather than re-bomb Africa. Ditto for the Middle East.

I agree but blaming these people is just making them grow more cynical and less likely to help
You spend enough time getting kicked you eventually just give up on anything mattering. The world seems unfair and nothing matters. So you just stop caring about anything, you get a shitty job that helps nobody, maybe even hurts people. But the hope is gone, so why bother rebuilding?


Problem is that there's a huge disconnect between the elites and the citizens. The citizens are seeing their retirement age raised, their pensions cut, their living standards decline, while the refugees get free stuff. They view it as legalized theft. It's happening more and more. So when elections roll around, conservatives roll into power, since it's the citizens who vote. The more refugees you accept, the more you exasperate the problem. The only option is to rebuild, because the other option is not looking good, not at all.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:22 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:The majority of posters espousing Right-Wing views outside of the containment board RWDS? What's going on here?


The irony is that my mother, aunt and grandparents were refugees of the Angolan Civil War when they came to Canada, and even them went through the system like everybody else, and espouse right-wing views on the whole refugee crisis.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Real emotional.

Europe's not responsible for their welfare, or for the fact that they're foolish enough to try that kind of crossing out of some idealized vision they're never going to actually see anyway.

Hope is the last crutch of the desperate


How touching.

Now take your hope and build something worthwhile in your own bloody country.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:23 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Thread: Something something EBIL REFUGEES THAT STEAL OUR JOBS AND ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK Something something

Me: Something something helping humans that need help is good something something this was bad something something

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Hence my point, these human rights groups are directly helping criminals by rescuing the people these criminals deliberately leave to drown.


Shofercia wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:They will announce how deeply concerned they are and I wonder if they'll follow it up and start impounding the ships of all these "Human Rights Groups" for supporting Human smuggling.

If the Human Smugglers get out to sea and realize there won't be a bunch of fools willing to pick up the people they dump it'll ruin their operation.


Better yet - impound the ships, turn them into fishing vessels/merchant marines, and let the refugees already in the EU earn a living via fishing and/or merchant marine.

BRILLIANT.
Plus they'll have jobs and will be spending most of their time at sea instead of harassing the locals!
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:23 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I agree but blaming these people is just making them grow more cynical and less likely to help
You spend enough time getting kicked you eventually just give up on anything mattering. The world seems unfair and nothing matters. So you just stop caring about anything, you get a shitty job that helps nobody, maybe even hurts people. But the hope is gone, so why bother rebuilding?


Problem is that there's a huge disconnect between the elites and the citizens. The citizens are seeing their retirement age raised, their pensions cut, their living standards decline, while the refugees get free stuff. They view it as legalized theft. It's happening more and more. So when elections roll around, conservatives roll into power, since it's the citizens who vote. The more refugees you accept, the more you exasperate the problem. The only option is to rebuild, because the other option is not looking good, not at all.

Sure but do something for these people
Send them back with aid workers
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Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Hope is the last crutch of the desperate


How touching.

Now take your hope and build something worthwhile in your own bloody country.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:24 pm

They are not illegal migrants if they intend to apply for refugee status. Y'all need to learn about international law.
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EXCELLENT! Next order of business!

(Personally, I think European nations should be doing what those vigilante patriots did very early on in the invasion: go out to sea, cut the motors, and wait for the Coast Guard equivalents to escort the migrants back to where they came from. No need to sink the boat or harm the people when you an simply incapacitate the vessel and put them back where they belong.)
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Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I agree but blaming these people is just making them grow more cynical and less likely to help
You spend enough time getting kicked you eventually just give up on anything mattering. The world seems unfair and nothing matters. So you just stop caring about anything, you get a shitty job that helps nobody, maybe even hurts people. But the hope is gone, so why bother rebuilding?


Oh, boo hoo. We're not responsible for their attitudes or for the fact that they're running away from their own countries to get on European welfare.

If they're not trying to put anything worthwhile together in their own countries, why would they in a foreign one?

That's actually a pretty good point. Again, the only place Armenian refugees are going to is, well, Armenia. They dont want no European gibs, they just want to be with their community in safe places. And admittedly there are places in the Middle East and North Africa where resistance was given though failed in the end, those people should be aided in their flight for life. But to go somewhere and never return? No
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Salus Maior wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I agree but blaming these people is just making them grow more cynical and less likely to help
You spend enough time getting kicked you eventually just give up on anything mattering. The world seems unfair and nothing matters. So you just stop caring about anything, you get a shitty job that helps nobody, maybe even hurts people. But the hope is gone, so why bother rebuilding?


Oh, boo hoo. We're not responsible for their attitudes or for the fact that they're running away from their own countries to get on European welfare.

If they're not trying to put anything worthwhile together in their own countries, why would they in a foreign one?


The issue isn't that the refugees are there to steal welfare and jobs, the issue is that the system cannot cope with the amount, and instead of doing their jobs and either improving the system, or cutting down the amount, the politicians are blaming the citizens. Hmm... I wonder, why are they being voted out of power?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:25 pm

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How touching.

Now take your hope and build something worthwhile in your own bloody country.

I can’t
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How touching.

Now take your hope and build something worthwhile in your own bloody country.

I can’t
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So what makes you think with that skill set you'll be anything other than a prostitute anywhere else?
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Problem is that there's a huge disconnect between the elites and the citizens. The citizens are seeing their retirement age raised, their pensions cut, their living standards decline, while the refugees get free stuff. They view it as legalized theft. It's happening more and more. So when elections roll around, conservatives roll into power, since it's the citizens who vote. The more refugees you accept, the more you exasperate the problem. The only option is to rebuild, because the other option is not looking good, not at all.

Sure but do something for these people
Send them back with aid workers


That works, as long as we have enough aid workers that volunteer.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:26 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Good on Italy. First Hungary and now them. I hope that more will follow

*blinks eyes*

You're joking, right?

I know it's been months since we've last talked, Thermy, but dude............

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