Italy turns away ship of 600 illegal migrants

[Forund]

See what I mean, you want Italy to no longer be Italy, you want it to be New Nigeria or Ghana or something.

No, it'd still be Italy.

Italy will die once the Italian natives are a minority, it will no longer be Italy but a new country.

[Estanglia]

That will never occur. Citizenship in Italy is easy enough to acquire for most of them to become Italian.

See what I mean, you want Italy to no longer be Italy, you want it to be New Nigeria or Ghana or something.

"Italian" isn't just an ethnicity, a black African who has lived in the country his whole life will be more Italian culturally than an ethnic Italian who is German culturally.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Fun-fact: in the US, studies show that Hispanics will become the majority by 2050
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... the-world/

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, it'd still be Italy.

Italy will die once the Italian natives are a minority, it will no longer be Italy but a new country.

Yes, Italy.

[Estanglia]

No, it'd still be Italy.

Italy will die once the Italian natives are a minority, it will no longer be Italy but a new country.

A country doesn't suddenly stop being that country once the ethnic Natives become a minority. Importing millions into Italy wouldn't turn it into a brand new country if the immigrants assimilated.

[Vassenor]

Oh, a right-wing think tank said it. Guess it must be true because right-wing think tanks never ever ever ever lie about something to support a narrative.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Why do you want Italy to not be Italian majority?

Why do you shove words in my mouth?

Also op-ed from literally eighteen years ago that unironically quotes the British National Party.

[Fahran]

I would say that the UK and Sweden took in way too much. I would say Poland or Hungary or Japan has it right.

1.9% of Japan's population consists of immigrants. 4.7% of Hungary's population consists of immigrants. 13.2% of the UK's population consists of immigrants. I'm inclined to point out that the United States has managed and assimilated much larger percentages of immigrants in the past than most European countries and that this has been largely beneficial. That said, I do not believe that immigrants composing as much as 8% of the population will be too much trouble in most countries. Birth rates aren't so high that the native population would face significant cultural competition, especially if those immigrants are of diverse backgrounds.

I believe if you select only the good immigrants and they are less than 5 percent of the population its fine.

This would be a fair statement if you abandoned your silly obsession race and embraced an ethnic/cultural approach. Again, I don't necessarily disagree with you at face value. Your rationalizations and logic are based on false premises though.

Its also better to bring them in from more compatible cultures and countries on average.

I concur, though paradigms matter as well. A well-educated, liberal Lebanese or Nigerian immigrant would be preferable to a hard-line nationalist German immigrant for instance.

For example the Tibetan refugees or Boer refugees here haven't committed any crimes or brought any negative impacts to the host nation

Legal immigrants in general are less predisposed to commit crimes than the average population, especially if you're letting in well-educated, somewhat affluent people. Well adjusted immigrants do not usually commit crimes, regardless of race or ethnic background.

[Salandriagado]

That will never occur. Citizenship in Italy is easy enough to acquire for most of them to become Italian.

See what I mean, you want Italy to no longer be Italy, you want it to be New Nigeria or Ghana or something.

No, I'm just don't subscribe to some ridiculous racist bullshit. Being Italian is a function of having Italian citizenship, and nothing else. With minor variations, that's been true for literally over 2,000 years, with some breaks.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Why do you want Italy to not be Italian majority?

Why do you shove words in my mouth?

Also op-ed from literally eighteen years ago that unironically quotes the British National Party.

Regardless of the source, what Forund is saying is true: indigenous Europeans will become a minority in the near future.

[Forund]

Italy will die once the Italian natives are a minority, it will no longer be Italy but a new country.

A country doesn't suddenly stop being that country once the ethnic Natives become a minority. Importing millions into Italy wouldn't turn it into a brand new country if the immigrants assimilated.

White culture is abhorred in europe meaning the refugees will only follow their country's cultures so no there will be no more Italy once Italians are a minority. Whats interesting is you support this, the wholesale genetic transformation of a nation. Italian natives have ancestors who labored and bled for centuries yet you hand their country over to others who never bled for the land.

[Forund]

See what I mean, you want Italy to no longer be Italy, you want it to be New Nigeria or Ghana or something.

No, I'm just don't subscribe to some ridiculous racist bullshit. Being Italian is a function of having Italian citizenship, and nothing else. With minor variations, that's been true for literally over 2,000 years, with some breaks.

Only whites have lived in Italy for the past 2000 years though. Again you reduce a nation to something like citizen when it is really its people. Maybe for a colonial outpost like America this is the case, but Italy is a european nation that was once many kingdoms.

[Salandriagado]

Why do you shove words in my mouth?

Also op-ed from literally eighteen years ago that unironically quotes the British National Party.

Regardless of the source, what Forund is saying is true: indigenous Europeans will become a minority in the near future.

Apart from that being false, "indigenous Europeans" isn't even a thing: the Mediterranean world, in particular, has been vastly too connected for literally 5,000 years or more for such a distinction to be meaningful.

[Salandriagado]

A country doesn't suddenly stop being that country once the ethnic Natives become a minority. Importing millions into Italy wouldn't turn it into a brand new country if the immigrants assimilated.

White culture is abhorred in europe meaning the refugees will only follow their country's cultures so no there will be no more Italy once Italians are a minority. Whats interesting is you support this, the wholesale genetic transformation of a nation. Italian natives have ancestors who labored and bled for centuries yet you hand their country over to others who never bled for the land.

"White culture" does not exist, and has never existed.

No, I'm just don't subscribe to some ridiculous racist bullshit. Being Italian is a function of having Italian citizenship, and nothing else. With minor variations, that's been true for literally over 2,000 years, with some breaks.

Only whites have lived in Italy for the past 2000 years though.

This is an absolute and unmitigated lie.

Again you reduce a nation to something like citizen when it is really its people.

Again, literally thousands of years.

Maybe for a colonial outpost like America this is the case, but Italy is a european nation that was once many kingdoms.

And? Zero of those kingdoms were ever defined racially, in any way, shape, or form.

[Forund]

Regardless of the source, what Forund is saying is true: indigenous Europeans will become a minority in the near future.

Apart from that being false, "indigenous Europeans" isn't even a thing: the Mediterranean world, in particular, has been vastly too connected for literally 5,000 years or more for such a distinction to be meaningful.

You are doing it right now, denying that europeans even truely exist to justify removing them from this world. This is evil.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

A country doesn't suddenly stop being that country once the ethnic Natives become a minority. Importing millions into Italy wouldn't turn it into a brand new country if the immigrants assimilated.

White culture is abhorred in europe

1: there's no such thing as white culture
2: Proof?

meaning the refugees will only follow their country's cultures so no there will be no more Italy once Italians are a minority.

Yes there will be.

Whats interesting is you support this, the wholesale genetic transformation of a nation.

Proof that Estanglia supports this?

Italian natives have ancestors who labored and bled for centuries yet you hand their country over to others who never bled for the land.

[Vassenor]

No, I'm just don't subscribe to some ridiculous racist bullshit. Being Italian is a function of having Italian citizenship, and nothing else. With minor variations, that's been true for literally over 2,000 years, with some breaks.

Only whites have lived in Italy for the past 2000 years though. Again you reduce a nation to something like citizen when it is really its people. Maybe for a colonial outpost like America this is the case, but Italy is a european nation that was once many kingdoms.

Last time I checked Southern Europeans weren't exactly white as the driven snow. To the point where an Italian man was thrown off a plane for doing maths equations because his seat-mate thought he was an Arab terrorist.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Apart from that being false, "indigenous Europeans" isn't even a thing: the Mediterranean world, in particular, has been vastly too connected for literally 5,000 years or more for such a distinction to be meaningful.

You are doing it right now, denying that europeans even truely exist to justify removing them from this world. This is evil.

Don't make assumptions.

[Salandriagado]

Apart from that being false, "indigenous Europeans" isn't even a thing: the Mediterranean world, in particular, has been vastly too connected for literally 5,000 years or more for such a distinction to be meaningful.

You are doing it right now, denying that europeans even truely exist to justify removing them from this world. This is evil.

No, I'm stating facts: you will not find one single person in Europe who isn't partially Egyptian, Algerian, Persian, Mongol, etc. Not a single one.

[Estanglia]

A country doesn't suddenly stop being that country once the ethnic Natives become a minority. Importing millions into Italy wouldn't turn it into a brand new country if the immigrants assimilated.

White culture is abhorred in europe meaning the refugees will only follow their country's cultures so no there will be no more Italy once Italians are a minority. Whats interesting is you support this, the wholesale genetic transformation of a nation. Italian natives have ancestors who labored and bled for centuries yet you hand their country over to others who never bled for the land.

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't support the forceful transformation of a population, nor handing over Italy to immigrants. All i'm saying is you do not have to be ethnically Italian to be Italian culturally or legally.
If every Italian suddenly became black tomorrow, and that that was the only change, Italy would stay the same in most regards.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, I'm just don't subscribe to some ridiculous racist bullshit. Being Italian is a function of having Italian citizenship, and nothing else. With minor variations, that's been true for literally over 2,000 years, with some breaks.

Only whites have lived in Italy for the past 2000 years though.

African Muslims had a stake in Italy too. Ever heard of the Aghlabids?

[Forund]

"White culture" does not exist, and has never existed.

Google european culture

This is an absolute and unmitigated lie.

Only white people have lived in Italy for the past two millenia, if Italy wasnt white IT WOULDNT BE DIVERSE RIGHT NOW.

Again, literally thousands of years.

Europe is not America

And? Zero of those kingdoms were ever defined racially, in any way, shape, or form

They were all made of white people.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You are doing it right now, denying that europeans even truely exist to justify removing them from this world. This is evil.

No, I'm stating facts: you will not find one single person in Europe who isn't partially Egyptian, Algerian, Persian, Mongol, etc. Not a single one.

Wait what

[Forund]

You are doing it right now, denying that europeans even truely exist to justify removing them from this world. This is evil.

No, I'm stating facts: you will not find one single person in Europe who isn't partially Egyptian, Algerian, Persian, Mongol, etc. Not a single one.

How does that invalidate the existence of a white racial group?

[Estanglia]

And? Zero of those kingdoms were ever defined racially, in any way, shape, or form

They were all made of white people.

During a time when Europe didn't have much immigration.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Google european culture

Then say "European", not "white".

Only white people have lived in Italy for the past two millenia, if Italy wasnt white IT WOULDNT BE DIVERSE RIGHT NOW.

That not true.