Italy turns away ship of 600 illegal migrants

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They should only be let into Italy if they are truly asylum seekers fleeing war and Italy is the first safe country they have entered. If they have come from, say, Turkey or some other country not tearing itself apart, they should be sent back.

> Turkey
> Not tearing itself apart

Have you heard of a man named Recep?

Turkey isn't unstable afaik. It's still a good place to live in.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Entering a country and requesting asylum is legal. Further, they are already in Spain, so it's a bit too late to turn them away.

This is getting ridiculous it should not be so easy for someone to become an italian citizen so easily. Most of these refugees will most likely never ever go back to whatever countries they came from meaning they are permanent illegal citizens the government wont deport for reasons I dont understand. Yes I know they are from wartorn areas, poor, but this is not good for the italian people.

Well, yes, immigrants, refugee or not, usually stay in the host country. That's common knowledge. This happens in every country with immigrants.

[Puldania]

> Turkey
> Not tearing itself apart

Have you heard of a man named Recep?

Turkey isn't unstable afaik. It's still a good place to live in.

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

[Puldania]

Turkey isn't unstable afaik. It's still a good place to live in.

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

Also Turkey right now is fine if you're a straight Muslim, but lately there's been an increase in both anti-christian and anti-LGBT discrimation, both of which would affect me should I move there.

[Forund]

This is getting ridiculous it should not be so easy for someone to become an italian citizen so easily. Most of these refugees will most likely never ever go back to whatever countries they came from meaning they are permanent illegal citizens the government wont deport for reasons I dont understand. Yes I know they are from wartorn areas, poor, but this is not good for the italian people.

Well, yes, immigrants, refugee or not, usually stay in the host country. That's common knowledge. This happens in every country with immigrants.

Too many of them are being let in such a short time interval, that in time the refugees will be the Italians.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/82 ... eme-travel

200,000 people is a small country's worth of humans.

[Estanglia]

They should only be let into Italy if they are truly asylum seekers fleeing war and Italy is the first safe country they have entered. If they have come from, say, Turkey or some other country not tearing itself apart, they should be sent back.

> Turkey
> Not tearing itself apart

Have you heard of a man named Recep?

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan? Yes. By "Not tearing itself apart", I meant "not in an ongoing civil war that has resulted in the death and displacement of millions of its citizens". Sorry if I chose the wrong example by saying Turkey.

[Puldania]

Well, yes, immigrants, refugee or not, usually stay in the host country. That's common knowledge. This happens in every country with immigrants.

Too many of them are being let in such a short time interval, that in time the refugees will be the Italians.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/82 ... eme-travel

200,000 people is a small country's worth of humans.

Italy is not a small country.

[Fenriis]

I didn't take part in the thread(I personally think that mixing is to be done in fine moderation).

So you're fine with the present state of countries like the US and Sweden?

I was pointing out the diversity of ideas in the community. Also back to Italy now please

I'm pressing you on these points because the underlying philosophy behind your opposition to immigration is absurd and silly. It amounts to "too many darkies is bad." You do not reference culture or anything beyond the race of immigrants, which you erroneously believe is tied to cultural traits and intellect. My opinion wouldn't change regardless of whether the immigrants were Ethiopian, Russian, or Salvadoran. Yours probably would.

I would say that the UK and Sweden took in way too much. I would say Poland or Hungary or Japan has it right. I believe if you select only the good immigrants and they are less than 5 percent of the population its fine. Its also better to bring them in from more compatible cultures and countries on average. For example the Tibetan refugees or Boer refugees here haven't committed any crimes or brought any negative impacts to the host nation

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Turkey isn't unstable afaik. It's still a good place to live in.

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

>20 century, Atatürk-led Turkey
>Progress
Those are 2 different things.

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

Also Turkey right now is fine if you're a straight Muslim, but lately there's been an increase in both anti-christian and anti-LGBT discrimation, both of which would affect me should I move there.

Source? And if so, then insha-Allah, both discriminatory practices will be abolished fee sabeelillah.

Too many of them are being let in such a short time interval, that in time the refugees will be the Italians.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/82 ... eme-travel

200,000 people is a small country's worth of humans.

Italy is not a small country.

^This. Also, Italy's population is 60.6 million people, so 200,000 isn't Jack squat. Also, refugees getting Italian - or any kind of country citizenship - is a good thing.

[Fenriis]

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

Also Turkey right now is fine if you're a straight Muslim, but lately there's been an increase in both anti-christian and anti-LGBT discrimation, both of which would affect me should I move there.

I visited the place it didn't seem bad just not as advanced as the west but still liveable. I didn't know they mistreat Christians though like in Saudi

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So you're fine with the present state of countries like the US and Sweden?


I'm pressing you on these points because the underlying philosophy behind your opposition to immigration is absurd and silly. It amounts to "too many darkies is bad." You do not reference culture or anything beyond the race of immigrants, which you erroneously believe is tied to cultural traits and intellect. My opinion wouldn't change regardless of whether the immigrants were Ethiopian, Russian, or Salvadoran. Yours probably would.

I would say that the UK and Sweden took in way too much. I would say Poland or Hungary or Japan has it right. I believe if you select only the good immigrants and they are less than 5 percent of the population its fine. Its also better to bring them in from more compatible cultures and countries on average. For example the Tibetan refugees or Boer refugees here haven't committed any crimes or brought any negative impacts to the host nation

Are they treated equally?
Also, the fact that they are so few also might explain why they aren't discriminated against.

[Forund]

Too many of them are being let in such a short time interval, that in time the refugees will be the Italians.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/82 ... eme-travel

200,000 people is a small country's worth of humans.

Italy is not a small country.

https://gefira.org/en/2018/01/18/the-in ... n-country/

Most of the countries these refugees come are much larger than european ones in surface area.

[Fenriis]

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

>20 century, Atatürk-led Turkey
>Progress
Those are 2 different things.

Also Turkey right now is fine if you're a straight Muslim, but lately there's been an increase in both anti-christian and anti-LGBT discrimation, both of which would affect me should I move there.

Source? And if so, then insha-Allah, both discriminatory practices will be abolished fee sabeelillah.

Italy is not a small country.

^This. Also, Italy's population is 60.6 million people, so 200,000 isn't Jack squat. Also, refugees getting Italian - or any kind of country citizenship - is a good thing.

200000 is a huge number thats entire neighbourhoods and cities permanently changed.

[Conserative Morality]

>20 century, Atatürk-led Turkey
>Progress
Those are 2 different things.

Only as a matter of technicality, since one results in the other.

[Fenriis]

I would say that the UK and Sweden took in way too much. I would say Poland or Hungary or Japan has it right. I believe if you select only the good immigrants and they are less than 5 percent of the population its fine. Its also better to bring them in from more compatible cultures and countries on average. For example the Tibetan refugees or Boer refugees here haven't committed any crimes or brought any negative impacts to the host nation

Are they treated equally?
Also, the fact that they are so few also might explain why they aren't discriminated against.

I would say everyone is treated equally and fairly here apart from the criminal bankers above the law and migrant rape gangs were covered up. I would say in ordinary life for people wherever they are from are treated fine

[Vassenor]

Italy is not a small country.

https://gefira.org/en/2018/01/18/the-in ... n-country/

Most of the countries these refugees come are much larger than european ones in surface area.

Oh, a right-wing think tank said it. Guess it must be true because right-wing think tanks never ever ever ever lie about something to support a narrative.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>20 century, Atatürk-led Turkey
>Progress
Those are 2 different things.

Source? And if so, then insha-Allah, both discriminatory practices will be abolished fee sabeelillah.

^This. Also, Italy's population is 60.6 million people, so 200,000 isn't Jack squat. Also, refugees getting Italian - or any kind of country citizenship - is a good thing.

200000 is a huge number thats entire neighbourhoods and cities permanently changed.

I'm talking about in proportion to the Italian population.

Italy is not a small country.

https://gefira.org/en/2018/01/18/the-in ... n-country/

Most of the countries these refugees come are much larger than european ones in surface area.

So?

[Vassenor]

Are they treated equally?
Also, the fact that they are so few also might explain why they aren't discriminated against.

I would say everyone is treated equally and fairly here apart from the criminal bankers above the law and migrant rape gangs were covered up. I would say in ordinary life for people wherever they are from are treated fine

So are you going to evidence those claims or are we supposed to just Listen And Believe™?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Are they treated equally?
Also, the fact that they are so few also might explain why they aren't discriminated against.

I would say everyone is treated equally and fairly here apart from the criminal bankers above the law and migrant rape gangs were covered up. I would say in ordinary life for people wherever they are from are treated fine

I'm not asking for your opinion, I'm asking if the Boers and Tibetans in Britain are treated equally based on facts.

[Forund]

https://gefira.org/en/2018/01/18/the-in ... n-country/

Most of the countries these refugees come are much larger than european ones in surface area.

Oh, a right-wing think tank said it. Guess it must be true because right-wing think tanks never ever ever ever lie about something to support a narrative.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Why do you want Italy to not be Italian majority?

[Salandriagado]

Oh, a right-wing think tank said it. Guess it must be true because right-wing think tanks never ever ever ever lie about something to support a narrative.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Why do you want Italy to not be Italian majority?

That will never occur. Citizenship in Italy is easy enough to acquire for most of them to become Italian.

[Estanglia]

Oh, a right-wing think tank said it. Guess it must be true because right-wing think tanks never ever ever ever lie about something to support a narrative.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Why do you want Italy to not be Italian majority?

No one here is arguing that.

[Forund]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Why do you want Italy to not be Italian majority?

That will never occur. Citizenship in Italy is easy enough to acquire for most of them to become Italian.

See what I mean, you want Italy to no longer be Italy, you want it to be New Nigeria or Ghana or something.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That will never occur. Citizenship in Italy is easy enough to acquire for most of them to become Italian.

See what I mean, you want Italy to no longer be Italy, you want it to be New Nigeria or Ghana or something.

No, it'd still be Italy.

[Puldania]

For now, but Erdogan is slowly chipping away at the progress Turkey made during the 20th century.

>20 century, Atatürk-led Turkey
>Progress
Those are 2 different things.

Also Turkey right now is fine if you're a straight Muslim, but lately there's been an increase in both anti-christian and anti-LGBT discrimation, both of which would affect me should I move there.

Source? And if so, then insha-Allah, both discriminatory practices will be abolished fee sabeelillah.

Italy is not a small country.

^This. Also, Italy's population is 60.6 million people, so 200,000 isn't Jack squat. Also, refugees getting Italian - or any kind of country citizenship - is a good thing.

That first one is a matter of opinion.
I'll TG you some sources when I find them, since this is off-topic.