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Postby Fenriis » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fenriis wrote:The boat should have been a lesson

...What do you mean by this...?
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In what way did they collaborate with the traffickers?

They didn't.

That boat can be left in the sea so either the traffickers take responsibility and take them back to where the boat came from or else

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Postby Fenriis » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:52 pm

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Fenriis wrote:They collaborated with traffickers and helped their wicked business. The boat should have been a lesson so no one else would do this again or the very least they should have been arrested and deported back to their countries


In what way did they collaborate with the traffickers?

They helped them traffic illegals and they have coordinated with human traffickers to send them to Europe. They directly work with human traffickers actual criminal organisations

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:05 pm

Fenriis wrote:demographic warfare on Europe

What even is that?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Fenriis wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:...What do you mean by this...?

They didn't.

That boat can be left in the sea so either the traffickers take responsibility and take them back to where the boat came from or else

So you're saying that the refugees should've been left for dead.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:11 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:That boat can be left in the sea so either the traffickers take responsibility and take them back to where the boat came from or else

So you're saying that the refugees should've been left for dead.


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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:53 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what way did they collaborate with the traffickers?

They helped them traffic illegals and they have coordinated with human traffickers to send them to Europe. They directly work with human traffickers actual criminal organisations


In what way have they coordinated with the traffickers?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:53 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:demographic warfare on Europe

What even is that?


Letting brown people set foot on European clay and thus causing White Genocide.
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Postby Iahselene » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:57 pm

If people weren't so afraid of each other, none of these problems would exist. You can't have terrorists if no one is afraid of them.

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Postby Kramanica » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:40 pm

Iahselene wrote:If people weren't so afraid of each other, none of these problems would exist. You can't have terrorists if no one is afraid of them.

Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:41 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Iahselene wrote:If people weren't so afraid of each other, none of these problems would exist. You can't have terrorists if no one is afraid of them.

Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.

Or beheaded, or shot, or stabbed, or cut by a machete... Also being run over by a semi can be quite shit too.

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Postby Kramanica » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:42 pm

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Kramanica wrote:Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.

Or beheaded, or shot, or stabbed, or cut by a machete... Also being run over by a semi can be quite shit too.

You're afraid of death? Pfffttt! If you weren't afraid of death then there would be no terrorism.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:58 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Or beheaded, or shot, or stabbed, or cut by a machete... Also being run over by a semi can be quite shit too.

You're afraid of death? Pfffttt! If you weren't afraid of death then there would be no terrorism.

Scared of death? Do I look like a bitch to you? I am just scared that I might have to try and put my first-aid knowledge and skills to use, and spoilers:
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Postby Fenriis » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:52 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:That boat can be left in the sea so either the traffickers take responsibility and take them back to where the boat came from or else

So you're saying that the refugees should've been left for dead.

Then more people wouldn't try to do the same thing. If something bad did happen to them it was the boat's crew and owner and the traffickers fault not Italy

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:12 am

Kramanica wrote:
Iahselene wrote:If people weren't so afraid of each other, none of these problems would exist. You can't have terrorists if no one is afraid of them.

Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.


So the terrorists are winning if that's what you associate Muslims with.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.


So the terrorists are winning if that's what you associate Muslims with.


I will never understand this logic.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:41 am

Kramanica wrote:
Iahselene wrote:If people weren't so afraid of each other, none of these problems would exist. You can't have terrorists if no one is afraid of them.

Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.


It's easy to make people disproportionately afraid of something less likely to happen to them than winning the lottery jackpot every week for a month.
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Postby Aellex » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:29 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So the terrorists are winning if that's what you associate Muslims with.


I will never understand this logic.

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Postby Phoenicaea » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:43 am

Iahselene wrote:If people weren't so afraid of each other, ..You can't have terrorists if no one is afraid of them.


there is some deep thuth in this.

perhaps it is what you mean, this is what charlie hebdo' editorial wrote about. i won t post the link of the article, which is great, because i find it to be out of topic.

still search for it if you wish, a great well written article (title of the article: "how did we end up here?")

most of the discussion is utterly out of the topic (immigration in mediterranean), and people doesn t seem so able to stay.
nevertheless i won t add myself in posting things out of topic
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Postby The Grims » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:56 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.


It's easy to make people disproportionately afraid of something less likely to happen to them than winning the lottery jackpot every week for a month.


And making them spends billions to prevent such things.
From an economic viewpoint ISIS is solidly winning the war. Tiny investment from them, huge costs to us.

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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
It's easy to make people disproportionately afraid of something less likely to happen to them than winning the lottery jackpot every week for a month.


And making them spends billions to prevent such things.
From an economic viewpoint ISIS is solidly winning the war. Tiny investment from them, huge costs to us.


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Postby The Grims » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:32 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
The Grims wrote:
And making them spends billions to prevent such things.
From an economic viewpoint ISIS is solidly winning the war. Tiny investment from them, huge costs to us.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Ci ... ar_map.svg

You sure about that?


We were talking about Europe. Hijacking a van and driving it into people is cheap. Preventing that costs millions.

Spend 100 dollars, make your enemy spend 100 million.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:39 am

Fenriis wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:So you're saying that the refugees should've been left for dead.

Then more people wouldn't try to do the same thing.

Uh, yes they would. Migrants were dying trying to cross the Med before, and they kept coming anyway.
If something bad did happen to them it was the boat's crew and owner and the traffickers fault not Italy

Italy has a duty to aid ships in distress. They themselves have agreed to this. If the Aquarius got into serious distress and Italy did nothing then anything that happened would be Italy's fault.


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Kramanica wrote:Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.


It's easy to make people disproportionately afraid of something less likely to happen to them than winning the lottery jackpot every week for a month.

And then they turn around and drive without a seatbelt or try to cook drunk at 3am or any of a dozen other things people do routinely that's more likely to kill them than terrorists.

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Postby Fenriis » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:24 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Well it's kind of hard to make people not be afraid of being blown up or run over by a van. Being blown up and run over by a van is pretty gruesome.


It's easy to make people disproportionately afraid of something less likely to happen to them than winning the lottery jackpot every week for a month.

Your logic is I don't care if people in my country get murdered and raped since statistically it wouldn't be me so its worth the cost to virtue signal and let them in since someone else not me will get raped and killed

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Postby Fahran » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:45 am

Fenriis wrote:Human trafficking and its an act against the people hence the treason.

Treason is generally a lot more narrowly defined than that.

Fenriis wrote:When I am talking about Goodson(to the mods I am not promoting any sites) I mean his report on international finance him question the validity of the official holocaust narrative and some of its inconsistencies is another topic.

No, it's not. Goodson wasn't fired for questioning international finance. He was fired for denying the Holocaust, calling it a big lie for instance, and raving about the Jews at length. He has no merit as a historian or as anything other than a rather mediocre banker.

Fenriis wrote:The gas attacks were released by globalist backed rebels there is no evidence Assad did it and my videos explain it.

You denied the gas attacks occurred in your last post. The vast majority of credible sources are alleging that Assad carried out the majority of the attacks, with al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army carrying out a few of them as well.

Fenriis wrote:He has no reason to bomb a village with chemicals when he already won and didn't use gas in previous much tougher targets.

He's been employing chemical weapons and incendiaries throughout the conflict, as early as 2013. More recently, his forces managed to clear out stiff resistance from a city by tossing chemical weapons into it. When an attack significantly impedes the ability of the rebels to operate and targets their families, most are going to point to Assad because it's the most logical and supported argument.

Fenriis wrote:The white helmets jihadis even agreed to vacate the area there is no reason Assad did to the contrary he didn't do it.

Calling medical staff jihadis doesn't really bolster your nonsensical argument. And the Free Syrian Army doesn't only consist of jihadis.

Fenriis wrote:Meanwhile Israel uses white phosphorus on civilians(which is even worse and melts people)

White phosphorous is an incendiary, not a chemical weapon or a nerve agent, and it has limited legal uses for screening on the battlefield. Supporters of Palestine assert that Israel employed such agents to deliberately burn Palestinians. Israel denies this and has more grounds to deny it than Assad, who indiscriminately bombs civilians.

Fenriis wrote:and the US has a history with agent orange

Oh, so you're reaching back fifty years to a bad thing that the US did with plausible deniability?

Fenriis wrote:and the US gives Saudi cluster bombs to carpet bomb Yemen.

I condemn Saudi actions. Would you be so good as to condemn Baathist actions now?

Fenriis wrote:Back to Italy it is treason when these illegal organisations are waging demographic warfare on Europe

What is demographic warfare and why do I get the impression that most internet white nationalists have never served active duty in a military organization?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:13 am

Fenriis wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
It's easy to make people disproportionately afraid of something less likely to happen to them than winning the lottery jackpot every week for a month.

Your logic is I don't care if people in my country get murdered and raped since statistically it wouldn't be me so its worth the cost to virtue signal and let them in since someone else not me will get raped and killed


No that really isn't my logic, that is you putting words into my mouth rather than coming up with an argument.
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