Italy turns away ship of 600 illegal migrants

[Borinsa]

It seems Europe is beginning to grow tired of droves of illegal immigrants drifting across the Mediterranean, and are taking a harsher stance against it.

They have taken millions, they cannot take anymore.

Italy and Greece especially should be tired of the waves of immigrants, they're bearing the brunt of it.

I am confident that the Greek people will survive the migrant crisis,
Considering they survived Ottoman rule, and not having an independent country for centuries.
In fact I beleive when Greece gained independence from the ottomans they had not been independent since the fall of Byzantine.

[Thermodolia]

Italy and Greece especially should be tired of the waves of immigrants, they're bearing the brunt of it.

I am confident that the Greek people will survive the migrant crisis,
Considering they survived Ottoman rule, and not having an independent country for centuries.
In fact I beleive when Greece gained independence from the ottomans they had not been independent since the fall of Byzantine.

Ya the rise of right wing parties in places like Greece says otherwise

[Greater Miami Shores]

Getting to Europe and then applying for asylum is the legal method.

I think that is stupid way to request asylum. One should be able to request asylum in their home nation either through a NGO or an embassy of the nation they are applying to.

That’s how the US and Australia do it. I see no reason why the EU can’t, unless they want to have an excuse to keep them from ever gaining asylum

"Getting to Europe and then applying for asylum is the legal method."

lol, and that is also the cause of the problem, it needs to end, At least Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary is trying to change it, asylum, refugee whatever, no one has the right to emigrate illegally to another nation and say surprise i'm here now you have to make me legal, I sent my kid first now you have to make us legal, I had a kid in Italy now he is italian and I am too, you have to make me legal, so where is my million dollars that I am demanding? Even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, legal immigration is legal immigration, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is that easy and it really is that easy, I support the Great Wall of Trump, but we dont need the The Great Wall of Trump, just dont tolerate illegal immigration, it is that easy, and it really is that easy, I agree with Thermy.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

It seems Europe is beginning to grow tired of droves of illegal immigrants drifting across the Mediterranean, and are taking a harsher stance against it.

They have taken millions, they cannot take anymore.

Italy and Greece especially should be tired of the waves of immigrants, they're bearing the brunt of it.

While nations such as Italy and Greece are overwhelmed by migrants, other nations such as Hungary completely or almost completely close their borders to migrants. (sigh)

[Ifreann]

I think that is stupid way to request asylum. One should be able to request asylum in their home nation either through a NGO or an embassy of the nation they are applying to.

That’s how the US and Australia do it. I see no reason why the EU can’t, unless they want to have an excuse to keep them from ever gaining asylum

"Getting to Europe and then applying for asylum is the legal method."

lol, and that is also the cause of the problem, it needs to end,

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

[Thermodolia]

"Getting to Europe and then applying for asylum is the legal method."

lol, and that is also the cause of the problem, it needs to end,

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

Or better yet they apply for asylum in the first safe nation or we take over Bermuda and make it an international refugee camp

[Greater Miami Shores]

"Getting to Europe and then applying for asylum is the legal method."

lol, and that is also the cause of the problem, it needs to end,

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

And that's how many abuse the system, it needs to end.

[Senegalboy]

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

And that's how many abuse the system, it needs to end.

So we leave these kids to die

[The Grims]

And that's how many abuse the system, it needs to end.

So we leave these kids to die

But whose fault is that ? The killers or the people who refuse to help ?

[Firaxin]

"Getting to Europe and then applying for asylum is the legal method."

lol, and that is also the cause of the problem, it needs to end,

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

What if we build a safe area on the border where asylum seekers and refugees can stay while they wait for the system to let them in, it would raise taxes but keep the morality of the nation intact without endangering the citizenry.

[Thermodolia]

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

What if we build a safe area on the border where asylum seekers and refugees can stay while they wait for the system to let them in, it would raise taxes but keep the morality of the nation intact without endangering the citizenry.

I say we turn a few islands into international refugee camps. That way nobody has to worry about a refugee invasion and the bleeding hearts get to feel happy that nobody has died

[Vassenor]

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

What if we build a safe area on the border where asylum seekers and refugees can stay while they wait for the system to let them in, it would raise taxes but keep the morality of the nation intact without endangering the citizenry.

So basically put everyone in concentration camps.

[Senegalboy]

So we leave these kids to die

But whose fault is that ? The killers or the people who refuse to help ?

Both and the west is partially responsible for the destabilization of the middle east.

[Ifreann]

It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

Or better yet they apply for asylum in the first safe nation

I don't see what's better about that. The first "safe" nation might well be the kind of shithole that keeps children in concentration camps. It's not realistic to expect people to stay there and submit themselves to a government like that if there's a better alternative a little further away, and refoulement on that basis alone would be ridiculous.

or we take over Bermuda and make it an international refugee camp

What? Why?

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It is patently stupid to have a system that requires people fleeing danger to wait patiently in danger while their application for asylum is reviewed. The only sensible thing to do is to let people request asylum when they get to Italy, or Greece, or wherever.

And that's how many abuse the system, it needs to end.

No, it doesn't, that would be stupid.

[Phoenicaea]

while refugees are a slice of the immigrants in mediterranean, so that it wouldn t cause a great matter to adress, for most part of them the line between simple immigration and decent living seekers is foggy.

most part don t flee a slaughter attempt, still they flee a quite certainly harsh and submitted life.

that is why you should see the request, not between nations, even between cities, conditions. and this makes the thing difficult.

the adress of the matter would be a great work of preparation.
and also going to the africa coast either with few boots either with local allies, Un and Eu. still doing this badly would even worsen things

approach discussed in thread may even be a good base to see the thing in carabbean, for few i know about. nevertheless, the mediterranean scenario is such, that concepts used in the posts are useless.

so to adrees real life, in mediterranean, we would even need different ideas (from the ideas showed in the posts) just to merely read what is actually happening.

[Firaxin]

What if we build a safe area on the border where asylum seekers and refugees can stay while they wait for the system to let them in, it would raise taxes but keep the morality of the nation intact without endangering the citizenry.

So basically put everyone in concentration camps.

Yes, but with better conditions than those camps are usually known for.

[Thermodolia]

Or better yet they apply for asylum in the first safe nation

I don't see what's better about that. The first "safe" nation might well be the kind of shithole that keeps children in concentration camps. It's not realistic to expect people to stay there and submit themselves to a government like that if there's a better alternative a little further away, and refoulement on that basis alone would be ridiculous.

Well sucks to be them.

or we take over Bermuda and make it an international refugee camp

What? Why?

So that we have a place to put them without pissing off the native people in the nation’s they are going to

[Vassenor]

So basically put everyone in concentration camps.

Yes, but with better conditions than those camps are usually known for.

Still fits the "put them over there where we don't have to see them".

[Thermodolia]

What if we build a safe area on the border where asylum seekers and refugees can stay while they wait for the system to let them in, it would raise taxes but keep the morality of the nation intact without endangering the citizenry.

So basically put everyone in concentration camps.

Internment is the word you are looking for

[Ors Might]

Yes, but with better conditions than those camps are usually known for.

Still fits the "put them over there where we don't have to see them".

Tfw giving refugees a safe area to flee to that has better conditions than what they’re fleeing from while they wait to be processed is negative.

[Firaxin]

Yes, but with better conditions than those camps are usually known for.

Still fits the "put them over there where we don't have to see them".

Except that's not the intention.

[You Gotta Be Kidding]

What if we build a safe area on the border where asylum seekers and refugees can stay while they wait for the system to let them in, it would raise taxes but keep the morality of the nation intact without endangering the citizenry.

So basically put everyone in concentration camps.

That is a silly way to put it.
You secure a partition where targets of persecution can be vetted and and cared for without unfairly impacting a host nations security or infrastructure.
It has been done in Africa to some good effect often enough. More importantly, refugees dont whittle themselves down by attrition trekking across a continent with little or no resources and a limited ability to survive the vagaries of climate and environment that change as they progress.
I have seen that in Africa too.
Some of you may be familiar with the lost children of Sudan.

In any event, the refugee crisis from the middle east has been handled irresponsibly in the extreme, and worst of all, for the sake of political narratives.

[The Alma Mater]

But whose fault is that ? The killers or the people who refuse to help ?

Both and the west is partially responsible for the destabilization of the middle east.

But the muslims VASTLY more so.
So let us focus on them first.

[Ifreann]

I don't see what's better about that. The first "safe" nation might well be the kind of shithole that keeps children in concentration camps. It's not realistic to expect people to stay there and submit themselves to a government like that if there's a better alternative a little further away, and refoulement on that basis alone would be ridiculous.

Well sucks to be them.

Yeah yeah, you don't care about foreigners, we've been over this a million times.

What? Why?

So that we have a place to put them without pissing off the native people in the nation’s they are going to

It's like you're trying to come up with the worst possible ideas.

[Senegalboy]

Both and the west is partially responsible for the destabilization of the middle east.

But the muslims VASTLY more so.
So let us focus on them first.

Ok let's focus on muslims
If the west didn't invade Iraq then everything would be fine.
Saddam Hussein although cruel would have exterminated ISIS and it wouldn't gain ground in Iraq and Syria.