Italy turns away ship of 600 illegal migrants

[Thermodolia]

Sounds like a legal battle.

Sure does. I've already brought the popcorn.

I hope the government wins and the court pretty much says you can’t do that just because you’re pissed about losing

[Chan Island]

Sure does. I've already brought the popcorn.

I hope the government wins and the court pretty much says you can’t do that just because you’re pissed about losing

It's a unitary state too, so legally the government is on much firmer ground than the individual cities. I'm pretty sure Palermo and their friends will get crushed in a court of law.

[Petrolheadia]

Welp that was a dumb move. You don’t fuck with a unitary state, especially one that can take away your right to self governance.

Palermo is probably gonna be made an example of

According to the article, multiple other Southern Italian cities have followed suit too, like Naples. Might become a bigger battle than just one city.

Probably because that's where the wiseguys running the smuggling are.

[Minoa]

Unless we really commit to rebuild Africa like what we did with Europe after the Second World War, and make it a continent of hope and opportunity, the immigration problems will only continue.

Same for the Middle East: I am getting tired of the deadly stalemate in Syria.

[Bienenhalde]

Just straight up be discriminatory

Christians would be an easier fit into the foundationally Christian Europe. They would have an easier time becoming part of the citizenry.

Don't forget that many Christians in the Middle East have been subject to persecution recently as well.

[Thermodolia]

Unless we really commit to rebuild Africa like what we did with Europe after the Second World War, and make it a continent of hope and opportunity, the immigration problems will only continue.

Same for the Middle East: I am getting tired of the deadly stalemate in Syria.

Or you bring the navy out, point the guns at em and tell em to fuck off.

[Shofercia]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/10/italy-shuts-ports-to-rescue-boat-with-629-migrants-on-board

Here's a plot twist and a half! The city of Palermo in Sicily is allowing the rescue boat to dock in it's port, in defiance of the central government.

Welp that was a dumb move. You don’t fuck with a unitary state, especially one that can take away your right to self governance.

Palermo is probably gonna be made an example of

They can just stop repairing the port. And when Palermo's dockworkers have to pay to repair their own port, they'll know who to thank, the next time that they vote.

Sounds like a legal battle.

Sure does. I've already brought the popcorn.

As have I!

Unless we really commit to rebuild Africa like what we did with Europe after the Second World War, and make it a continent of hope and opportunity, the immigration problems will only continue.

Same for the Middle East: I am getting tired of the deadly stalemate in Syria.

Rebuild Africa, and give Syria to Russia & China to rebuild.

[Germanic Templars]

Unless we really commit to rebuild Africa like what we did with Europe after the Second World War, and make it a continent of hope and opportunity, the immigration problems will only continue.

Same for the Middle East: I am getting tired of the deadly stalemate in Syria.

Or you bring the navy out, point the guns at em and tell em to fuck off.

I'm down with this plan.

[Torrocca]

Well that's a pretty dickish move on Italy's part.

[Right wing humour squad]

Those are rookie numbers.

[Shamhnan Insir]

And the elephant in the room trumpets again, are we going to listen this time?
Populations are growing desperate, a situation exacerbated by lack of proper funding and leadership. Further compounded by climatic variables which would appear likely to get worse. There will be more, many more, unless we begin to tackle unsustainable population growth.

[The Lone Alliance]

It was inevitable. Let's just see how the nation reacts after a few months of footage of very, very sad people being deported back. Or of drowned people.

Wasn't there some meme pic of "Here's a bunch of sad pictures designed to make you say "Fuck having borders and laws!" or something?

According to the article, multiple other Southern Italian cities have followed suit too, like Naples. Might become a bigger battle than just one city.

Through from what I heard the ship still hasn't moved yet, I don't think the ship owners want to risk getting arrested... or have to face off against the Italian Navy.

[Empire of Narnia]

The Liberals are turning away people in need that are fleeing from conflict zones and areas damaged by climate change.

[Vassenor]

-files the reactions in this thread in her 'disappointed but not surprised' folder-

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

-files the reactions in this thread in her 'disappointed but not surprised' folder-

Italy is already economically stretched from debt and red tape. It's frankly ridiculous to expect them to take in migrants when they haven't solved economic problems for their citizens at home.

[The Lone Alliance]

The Liberals are turning away people in need that are fleeing from conflict zones and areas damaged by climate change.

Or just incompetent corrupt governments. Or that they were mistakenly lied to by the human smugglers about what Europe will do for them.

Why work in Africa when you can just claim you're a refugee in Europe where it's believed that means the EU has to take care of you forever?

[Chan Island]

The Liberals are turning away people in need that are fleeing from conflict zones and areas damaged by climate change.

Italy (as has the rest of Europe) has taken in millions of refugees in the past couple of years. At some point, you simply have to say 'sorry, we need to integrate the ones we already have'. It's a sad truth, but that point had to come eventually.

[Vassenor]

The Liberals are turning away people in need that are fleeing from conflict zones and areas damaged by climate change.

Or just incompetent corrupt governments. Or that they were led to believe that they'll be given free shit just for showing up.

They are convinced that Refugee rules = "Europe will take care of you if you claim you're a refugee"

Why work hard in your third world country when you can sneak into Europe claim oppression and get taken care of?

So what's your evidence that these are all economic migrants not refugees?

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

So what's your evidence that these are all economic migrants not refugees?

Isn't the burden of proof on the refugees? They're the ones making the claim in order to get into Europe.

[United States of Oceania]

I agree, we should favor Christian migrants over Muslim ones. They assimilate better into ostensibly Christian Europe.

Interesting, I thought Europeans were secular and proud.

[Vassenor]

So what's your evidence that these are all economic migrants not refugees?

Isn't the burden of proof on the refugees? They're the ones making the claim in order to get into Europe.

Pretty sure I'm asking someone in this thread to prove the claims that they are making, but keep going with the deflection.

[The Lone Alliance]

Or just incompetent corrupt governments. Or that they were led to believe that they'll be given free shit just for showing up.

They are convinced that Refugee rules = "Europe will take care of you if you claim you're a refugee"

Why work hard in your third world country when you can sneak into Europe claim oppression and get taken care of?

So what's your evidence that these are all economic migrants not refugees?

The fact that over the past year the largest number of people showing up in Italy aren't coming from nations at war or from oppressive dictatorships, just nations that suck.

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

I agree, we should favor Christian migrants over Muslim ones. They assimilate better into ostensibly Christian Europe.

Interesting, I thought Europeans were secular and proud.

I'm Russian, so I operate on a different wave-length to Western Europeans. However, when it comes to migrants coming into Russia specifically (lol), I don't have a big problem with Muslims considering we have our own native population.

[Vassenor]

So what's your evidence that these are all economic migrants not refugees?

The fact that over the past year the largest number of people showing up in Italy aren't coming from nations at war or from oppressive dictatorships, just nations that suck.

Let's see those numbers then.

[The Lone Alliance]

The fact that over the past year the largest number of people showing up in Italy aren't coming from nations at war or from oppressive dictatorships, just nations that suck.

Let's see those numbers then.

http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/c ... statistics

Interesting numbers do you notice the 58.2% rejection rate, or that the largest number came from Nigeria, a nation that's not at war?
According to the glorious Data that you must swear by nearly 60% of the people who showed up in Italy last year were legally declared not Refugees.

What's funny is looking at other countries the refugee numbers actually seem to make sense but Italy's numbers seems to get a lot of nations that other nations don't get.

http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/c ... statistics
According to this chart, Spain took in Zero refugees from Senegal, Ivory Coast, or Gambia.

All very interesting.

Really we can further narrow it down, people under Subsidiary protection or Humanitarian protection are technically people rejected as Refugees but accepted for other reasons such as country instability.