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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:

National Estonia wrote:
Because migrants leech on the welfare system and the crime statistics in Germany clearly show that people from islamic countries and their sons are more likely to be criminals.

That applies to the poor in general.

You should look after your own poor not kow tow to international bankers and illegal migrants

Ifreann wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:Not Letting In Such Large Numbers Of ILLEGAL Migrants From Questionable Countries.

I already told you, seeking asylum isn't illegal.

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KingFerdinand1 wrote:????

It's a proverb. It means that wishing is useless.

And I Said A Country Refusing There Entry Is Also Not Illegal.

Okay Thank You For Explaining Friend.

Ifreann wrote:

Fenriis wrote:Your peoples welfare and defending innocent women and children comes before corrupt evil international laws. Italy has every right to say no. If the law is bad it must be changed legal isn't moral and that international law is horrible and unfair they should defend Italian people first

Countries don't have rights.

Yes they do a nation is meant to defend its people from invaders its sovereignty and self determination. If nations don't have rights its ok to bomb other countries for fun although the US and Israel and Saudi does

Vassenor wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:I Dont Think It Involves Crossing The Ocean To Countries That Dont Want You.

Considering applications for asylum are made upon arrival...

If Italy Want To Refuse Asylum To People From Questionable Countries Then Its There Choice.

KingFerdinand1 wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Considering applications for asylum are made upon arrival...

If Italy Want To Refuse Asylum To People From Questionable Countries Then Its There Choice.

Exactly and they have a right to choose what kind of migrants and which countries they want and don't want. My borders my choice as they should say. They can also choose which demographics they want if they wish

KingFerdinand1 wrote:

Gravlen wrote:Italy disagrees with you.

I Disagree With You.

I don't mind you being wrong.

Gravlen wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:I Disagree With You.

I don't mind you being wrong.

Nor I Mind You Friend.

If we have a soft approach to people coming across to EU countries then criminal people-smugglers will carry on taking them at ridiculous cost (funding crime) and in terrifyingly unsafe boats. By taking a seemingly harsher stance against immigration, the new Minister is actually saving lives from all those poor people who die on those unsafe crossings. If we need to process refugees seeking asylum (which is different to illegal economic migrants) then surely that can be done on the other side of the Mediterranean at a specially built outpost for such a purpose much how the UK processes people in Calais.

KingFerdinand1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I already told you, seeking asylum isn't illegal.

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It's a proverb. It means that wishing is useless.

And I Said A Country Refusing There Entry Is Also Not Illegal.

Well one, it is, and two, being denied their right to seek asylum does not make them illegal migrants.

Ifreann wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:And I Said A Country Refusing There Entry Is Also Not Illegal.

Well one, it is, and two, being denied their right to seek asylum does not make them illegal migrants.

Legal doesn't mean moral. Italy should put Italians first

Ifreann wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:And I Said A Country Refusing There Entry Is Also Not Illegal.

Well one, it is, and two, being denied their right to seek asylum does not make them illegal migrants.

Its Commonsense To Be Able To Deny Entry To People From Questionable Countries. The Laws Need A Rethink.

Fenriis wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Countries don't have rights.

Yes they do a nation is meant to defend its people from invaders its sovereignty and self determination. If nations don't have rights its ok to bomb other countries for fun although the US and Israel and Saudi does

People have rights. Countries, nations, states, governments, these are things people invented to protect their rights. Those things no more have rights than my socks have rights.

Ifreann wrote:

Fenriis wrote:Yes they do a nation is meant to defend its people from invaders its sovereignty and self determination. If nations don't have rights its ok to bomb other countries for fun although the US and Israel and Saudi does

People have rights. Countries, nations, states, governments, these are things people invented to protect their rights. Those things no more have rights than my socks have rights.

A nation is a sovereign entity with clear rights to self determination free of outer influences controlling them

KingFerdinand1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Well one, it is, and two, being denied their right to seek asylum does not make them illegal migrants.

Its Commonsense To Be Able To Deny Entry To People From Questionable Countries. The Laws Need A Rethink.

No, it's stupid to deny people the right to seek asylum based on what country they come from. Further, the Italian government probably doesn't even know where the people on the Aquarius come from. How could they? The Aquarius was never allowed to dock.

Fenriis wrote:How do you explain all the racial supremacy in the religion.

Judaism isn't predicated on racial supremacy. Our most important prophet's sister was probably struck with leprosy for being racist in a rather cheeky refutation of racial bigotry.

Rabbinical source.

We do seclude ourselves to an extent from people who practice other religions, but this has more to do with preserving our own traditions and our own faith than anything else. I don't hate Christians for instance. I just want my children to grow up as their grandparents and great grandparents did.

Fenriis wrote:For example goyim are compared to animals,

In that they aren't bound by many of the same mitzvot that we Jews are. Goyim are also called adam, meaning human beings quite often throughout the Talmud. We're commanded to be kind to strangers, implied to be Gentiles, as well, meaning that comparing them to animals would be a bit odd.

Fenriis wrote:black people are called schwartza,

This is derived from the German word schwartzer and German racism probably soaked into Yiddish culture in some places. It's not a religious thing.

Fenriis wrote:gentile women are called shiksa meaning carcass of a pig

I don't know where you're finding these critiques of Jewish culture, but you need to find better sources. Shiksa has an ambiguous etymology, but it definitely doesn't have anything to do with carcasses or pigs. My favored etymology is that it's a feminine form of the noun meaning "detestable thing". This is actually a big xenophobic, not racist, and misogynistic. It's not a part of the religion intrinsically though beyond "don't date people who aren't Jewish" and probably arose much, much later. At the moment, it's use is mostly playful. Like me calling my friends shiksas when they were too sick to go to synagogue. Or my ex calling himself a shiksa in front of my rabbi as I rolled my eyes.

Fenriis wrote:and other Jews they find stupid are called goyisha kup meaning stupid gentile brain.

This one is also offensive, and is generally not employed anymore. It's also derived from Yiddish and emerged later on. And it's goyischer kop. We also have phrases like goyischer mazel (good luck) and yiddischer mazel (bad luck).

Fenriis wrote:Yet diversity is pushed on other nations like Italy

Zionists aren't pushing diversity anywhere and aren't a hegemonic group. All they want is a Jewish state.

Fenriis wrote:while Israel ones a racist apartheid state that kills Palestinians

In terms of all Arab casualties in the past decade, Syria and Saudi Arabia probably have a higher body count. And Israel isn't realistically any of those things.

Fenriis wrote:and I heard they put babies they murdered in ice cream containers,

Blood libel. Take a drink.

Fenriis wrote:they mass murder Palestinians

And have been roundly criticized for it by other Zionists.

Fenriis wrote:and blacks aren't even allowed to have blood transfusions

Source?

Fenriis wrote:and there are loads of race laws

No.

Fenriis wrote:and its legal rape if a gentile man has intercourse with a Jew

If you lie to a woman, then yes. It's silly and shouldn't be a law, but you're omitting key details.

Fenriis wrote:and they have laws to stop race mixing

No, they don't.

Fenriis wrote:and to be on topic they have mass deported blacks and sterilised blacks but Italy isn't allowed to stop illegal invaders who are storming their shores on boats with illegal people smugglers

They've mass deported illegal immigrants who weren't refugees and weren't entitled to automatic citizenship. The Yisrael Bet (Ethiopians) are automatically citizens of Israel.

Ifreann wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:Its Commonsense To Be Able To Deny Entry To People From Questionable Countries. The Laws Need A Rethink.

No, it's stupid to deny people the right to seek asylum based on what country they come from. Further, the Italian government probably doesn't even know where the people on the Aquarius come from. How could they? The Aquarius was never allowed to dock.

It was obvious from looking. They can not allow in anyone they want its like not letting in people you don't want in your home. They can also choose what kind of migrants and which demographics they want if they do let some people in

Fenriis wrote:

Ifreann wrote:People have rights. Countries, nations, states, governments, these are things people invented to protect their rights. Those things no more have rights than my socks have rights.

A nation is a sovereign entity with clear rights to self determination free of outer influences controlling them

People have a right to self-determination. Nations are vehicles through which they collectively exercise that right.

Ifreann wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:Its Commonsense To Be Able To Deny Entry To People From Questionable Countries. The Laws Need A Rethink.

No, it's stupid to deny people the right to seek asylum based on what country they come from. Further, the Italian government probably doesn't even know where the people on the Aquarius come from. How could they? The Aquarius was never allowed to dock.

Its Commonsense. Italy Shouldnt Risk Letting Evil People In, They Could Be From An Area Of Libya Dominated By ISIS.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:As much as I can be pretty right on the political scale regarding immigration...

Get that "Zionist conspiracy" sh*t away from this thread, you ruin the credibility of actual arguments against illegal immigration.

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This pls.

Fahran wrote:

Gravlen wrote:"...and some, I assume, are good people"

I need to make a quote like this except about penguins. By the way, do you want me to ruin penguins for you?

When Antartica sends its critters, they're not sending the best. They're sending animals that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing snow, they're bringing the cold. They're walrusses and some, I assume, are good penguins... #NotAllPenguins

Ruin away

Fenriis wrote:

Ifreann wrote:No, it's stupid to deny people the right to seek asylum based on what country they come from. Further, the Italian government probably doesn't even know where the people on the Aquarius come from. How could they? The Aquarius was never allowed to dock.

It was obvious from looking.

You cannot reliably tell someone's citizenship from looking at them, that's stupid.

KingFerdinand1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:No, it's stupid to deny people the right to seek asylum based on what country they come from. Further, the Italian government probably doesn't even know where the people on the Aquarius come from. How could they? The Aquarius was never allowed to dock.

Its Commonsense. Italy Shouldnt Risk Letting Evil People In, They Could Be From An Area Of Libya Dominated By ISIS.

People fleeing ISIS should very definitely be given asylum. Not only is it the obviously humane thing to do, it weakens ISIS to do it.

Ifreann wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:Its Commonsense. Italy Shouldnt Risk Letting Evil People In, They Could Be From An Area Of Libya Dominated By ISIS.

People fleeing ISIS should very definitely be given asylum. Not only is it the obviously humane thing to do, it weakens ISIS to do it.

They Might Be ISIS Members Themselves, And Just Like That, Terrorists Would Be In Italy, Where They Can Get To Anywhere In Europe.

Ifreann wrote:

Fenriis wrote:It was obvious from looking.

You cannot reliably tell someone's citizenship from looking at them, that's stupid.

Its obvious they were Africans coming to get the easy life in Italy

Fenriis wrote:

Ifreann wrote:No, it's stupid to deny people the right to seek asylum based on what country they come from. Further, the Italian government probably doesn't even know where the people on the Aquarius come from. How could they? The Aquarius was never allowed to dock.

It was obvious from looking. They can not allow in anyone they want its like not letting in people you don't want in your home. They can also choose what kind of migrants and which demographics they want if they do let some people in

How can you tell a person's nationality just from looking at them?