Italy turns away ship of 600 illegal migrants

[Right wing humour squad]

Only way this could get better is to recover the costs of turning them away.

[MERIZoC]

-files the reactions in this thread in her 'disappointed but not surprised' folder-

thousands of migrants have drowned on these boats, but uh, they deserve it for the crime of, um, leaving their country

[The Lone Alliance]

-files the reactions in this thread in her 'disappointed but not surprised' folder-

thousands of migrants have drowned on these boats, but uh, they deserve it for the crime of, um, leaving their country

Clearly this is Italy's fault, they should drain the Med so they could walk across...

Also reposting this here
http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/c ... statistics

Aslyum statistics of 2017 in Italy.

[Trumptonium1]

33,848 have arrived by sea according to the UN, which is roughly split 33% by Spain (yeah, as if there's Syrians there), 33% by Italy and 33% by Greece (which unfortunately dilutes the numbers)

Unfortunately it is impossible to separate by countries (as Greece is obviously the most common destination for Syrians, and the topic is about Italy)

Regardless, most of Syria is now safe under Assad, so even that conversation is bs.

Here are the sources of 25203 individuals as laid out by the UN (with females, although not all recorded) since January 2018

Syria: 5522 people
Others: 2940 people
Iraq: 2827 people
Tunisia: 1910 people (8 females) - 99.6% males
Eritrea: 1810 people (4 females)
Afghanistan: 1236 people
Guinea: 1204 people
Cote d'Ivoire: 1011 people (424 females)
Mali: 987 people (128 females)
Algeria: 764 people (16 females)
Morocco: 735 people (80 females)
Nigeria: 695 people
Sudan: 536 people (36 females)
Pakistan: 529 people
Congo: 388 people
Palestine: 302 people
Senegal: 279 people
Gambia: 259 people
Libya: 258 people
Iran: 182 people
Cameroon: 172 people
Somalia: 154 people
Egypt: 130 people
Sierra Leone: 124 people
Ghana: 107 people (24 females)
Bangladesh: 50 people
Kuwait: 47 people
Ethiopia: 45 people

In other words, arrivals from Syria compose 22% of arrivals in total. Arrivals from Tunisia form 7%. Using 2015 numbers and Tunisia's current share, some 80 000 Tunisians left for Europe in one year. Somehow, they're all able to claim asylum. Somehow, they can all claim to be from Syria.

Data here: https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/mediterranean

[Vassenor]

thousands of migrants have drowned on these boats, but uh, they deserve it for the crime of, um, leaving their country

Clearly this is Italy's fault, they should drain the Med so they could walk across...

Also reposting this here
http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/c ... statistics

Aslyum statistics of 2017 in Italy.

So today in "things no-one has said..."

Also those rejection rates are pretty high for a system that is supposed to be letting in everyone who just claims to be a refugee.

[Trumptonium1]

Oh! I found a way to cancel it out

https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/m ... ation/5179

4817 Syrians came by Greece (88% of total Syrians recorded)

705 / 21783 = 3.24% of people coming to Spain or Italy are from Syria.
(705 = total syrians minus greek entry, 21783 = total mediterranean invasions minus greek invasions)

Not looking good for you.



Oh even better, I found numbers for Italy

Tunisia = 21.2% of arrivals
Eritrea = 20.1%
Nigeria = 7.7%
Sudan = 5.9%
Cote d'Ivoire = 5.8%
Pakista = 4.8%
Mali = 4.6%
Guinea = 4.5%
Algeria = 3.4%
Senegal = 3.1%
Libya = 2.9%
Iraq = 2.3%
Morocco = 2.2%
Cameroon = 1.9%
Gambia = 1.9%
Somalia = 1.7%
Egypt = 1.4%
Sierra Leone = 1.4%
Ghana = 1.2%
Syria = 0.9%
Bangladesh = 0.6%
Ethiopia = 0.5%

[Dumb Ideologies]

Good on the Italians. Nations are territorially-based associations pursuing the collective enlightened interest of their members. They are not and should not be charitable organisations dedicated to the welfare of outsiders.

Migrants should be taken by willing neighbouring countries only, and private citizens who try to facilitate the transport of human cargo without permission of the destination state should be jailed.

[Costa Fierro]

Kuwait: 47 people

I'm genuinely surprised. Unless they're all domestic staff...

[Soviet-mongol]

Italy has never been properly de-nazified unlike Germany. Racism and fascism is still prevalent which the throwing of lives of refugees clearly demonstrates

[Trumptonium1]

Italy has never been properly de-nazified unlike Germany. Racism and fascism is still prevalent which the throwing of lives of refugees clearly demonstrates

Well of course Italy has never been denazified, they never fucking had nazis.

[Soviet-mongol]

Italy has never been properly de-nazified unlike Germany. Racism and fascism is still prevalent which the throwing of lives of refugees clearly demonstrates

Well of course Italy has never been denazified, they never fucking had nazis.

They had have Fascist and Benito Mussolini which is the same. What is shocking their fascist insignia are not banned unlike in Germany. The point is this is the reason why the Italian government wont accept the ship aquarius in its shores

[Trumptonium1]

Well of course Italy has never been denazified, they never fucking had nazis.

They had have Fascist and Benito Mussolini which is the same. What is shocking their fascist insignia are not banned unlike in Germany.

Fascist insignia is banned in Italy (unlike the majority of the world) so you're telling horsecrap.

The point is this is the reason why the Italian government wont accept the ship aquarius in its shores

And I assume Poland needs denazification too because it isn't accepting hordes of illegal immigrants?

[Soviet-mongol]

They had have Fascist and Benito Mussolini which is the same. What is shocking their fascist insignia are not banned unlike in Germany.

Fascist insignia is banned in Italy (unlike the majority of the world) so you're telling horsecrap.

The point is this is the reason why the Italian government wont accept the ship aquarius in its shores

And I assume Poland needs denazification too because it isn't accepting hordes of illegal immigrants?

It is not banned. That is the point.

Poland is problematic because it is catholic and nationalist. It needs to change to fit the modern world. Poland and generaly all anti refugee people are on the wrong side of history

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

No, the modern world (well, um, not world, Europe) needs to change to survive the modern times. And accept the diversity. Poland is Catholic, the Arabs are Muslims, the Russians are mostly orthodox and we all have the right to be like that. True tolerance is not to make everyone the same grey person, it's the right to be diverse from the others in terms of believes and self-governance as individuals but also nations. The West has no monopoly to be right and modern.

But to be back on topic. I see what's going on in Italy but while I am proud of Salvini's decision I also see that hard times for Italy are coming. If the governing parties want to stay in power for more than four years they must prepare for war and remember that propaganda attack can be unexpected and can come from any way, including local politicians as in Palermo. I hope that in Italy the right to self-governance among city mayors is much more limited than in Poland because in other case Salvini will be unable to stop any illegal immigration.

[Ifreann]

Good on the Italians. Nations are territorially-based associations pursuing the collective enlightened interest of their members. They are not and should not be charitable organisations dedicated to the welfare of outsiders.

Migrants should be taken by willing neighbouring countries only, and private citizens who try to facilitate the transport of human cargo without permission of the destination state should be jailed.

Did somebody say

[Ramaldha]

The ship should head back to Libya. Everybody should be subject to the same immigration procedures and nobody should be allowed to go past. Unless of course they're actual refugees fleeing conflict in Syria or Yemen. But these aren't refugees, so send them back.

[Ifreann]

The ship should head back to Libya. Everybody should be subject to the same immigration procedures and nobody should be allowed to go past. Unless of course they're actual refugees fleeing conflict in Syria or Yemen. But these aren't refugees, so send them back.

But in order to determine whether they're refugees you have to let them land and go through the relevant legal proceedings.

[Blackledge]

Good on the Italians. Nations are territorially-based associations pursuing the collective enlightened interest of their members. They are not and should not be charitable organisations dedicated to the welfare of outsiders.

Migrants should be taken by willing neighbouring countries only, and private citizens who try to facilitate the transport of human cargo without permission of the destination state should be jailed.

Did somebody say

Better than the other lever.

[Trumptonium1]

Fascist insignia is banned in Italy (unlike the majority of the world) so you're telling horsecrap.



And I assume Poland needs denazification too because it isn't accepting hordes of illegal immigrants?

It is not banned. That is the point.

Yes it fucking is.

Italy even blocks Stormfront like Turkey blocks Twitter, jesus christ dude, how can you be so ignorant especially with a quick google at your fingertips, assuming you're not from China and it's not blocked?

Poland is problematic because it is catholic and nationalist. It needs to change to fit the modern world. Poland and generaly all anti refugee people are on the wrong side of history

Everything I don't like is problematic and outdated

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[Trumptonium1]

The ship should head back to Libya. Everybody should be subject to the same immigration procedures and nobody should be allowed to go past. Unless of course they're actual refugees fleeing conflict in Syria or Yemen. But these aren't refugees, so send them back.

But in order to determine whether they're refugees you have to let them land and go through the relevant legal proceedings.

They can get towed back to Tunisia and apply for asylum there utilising the relevant legal proceedings.

[Ifreann]

But in order to determine whether they're refugees you have to let them land and go through the relevant legal proceedings.

They can get towed back to Tunisia and apply for asylum there utilising the relevant legal proceedings.

How can a ship be towed back to Tunisia if it's never been to Tunisia?

[Vassenor]

Also are we still doing the BUT THE FIRST SAFE COUNTRY thing that isn't actually in the documentation anywhere?

[Sezraha]

Also are we still doing the BUT THE FIRST SAFE COUNTRY thing that isn't actually in the documentation anywhere?

thank you!!

[Petrolheadia]

Also are we still doing the BUT THE FIRST SAFE COUNTRY thing that isn't actually in the documentation anywhere?

Does not mean it shouldn't be.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Not surprised, i understand the burden southern european nations are facing with the volume of refugees and migrants coming into their countries via land and sea.


Im personally a bit torn on it, i dont like sending people away when they could end up in a very very bad situation, but at the same time Italy is not doing the greatest and has taken in a lot already. Would prefer to see an increase of support for African nations to stamp down on their radicals and help with industrial and infrastructure build up to try and ease the flow, so that people dont have to leave their own country anymore.