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Should those who visit Auschwitz also visit Hiroshima/Nagasaki?

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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:10 am

Grenartia wrote:
Fenriis wrote:The firebombings killed more and is not exaggerated and used as a weapon. Also the people being fire bombed came from innocent nations whose only crimes was resisting international finance and freemasonary and global Zionism. Japan was one of the good guys


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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:12 am

lol fuck no, Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary unless you're a complete fucking moron who thinks the two alternatives (either blockading and completely starving out the Japanese islands - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation - or going through with Operation Downfall - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation. In both cases, upwards to a million or more people - predominantly civilians - would've been massacred by the IJA in mainland China in addition to all the casualties predicted in Japan.) are acceptable in comparison.
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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:14 am

Torrocca wrote:lol fuck no, Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary unless you're a complete fucking moron who thinks the two alternatives (either blockading and completely starving out the Japanese islands - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation - or going through with Operation Downfall - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation. In both cases, upwards to a million or more people - predominantly civilians - would've been massacred by the IJA in mainland China in addition to all the casualties predicted in Japan.) are acceptable in comparison.

The Japanese reufse to surrender since they didn't want their women raped, their banks taken over and their culture destroyed by globalism. The whole evil unconditional surrender demand against the axis nations and the genocidal attacks were the problem. They were targeted for being free nations without Rothschild central banks and because they tried to free Europe and Asia

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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:14 am

Fenriis wrote:
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Shut your fascist, radically antisemitic mouth you hater! The world would be a better place if all you Nazis were dead and buried!
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:16 am

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:lol fuck no, Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary unless you're a complete fucking moron who thinks the two alternatives (either blockading and completely starving out the Japanese islands - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation - or going through with Operation Downfall - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation. In both cases, upwards to a million or more people - predominantly civilians - would've been massacred by the IJA in mainland China in addition to all the casualties predicted in Japan.) are acceptable in comparison.

The Japanese reufse to surrender since they didn't want their women raped, their banks taken over and their culture destroyed by globalism. The whole evil unconditional surrender demand against the axis nations and the genocidal attacks were the problem. They were targeted for being free nations without Rothschild central banks and because they tried to free Europe and Asia


Oh boy, this genocide-apologist drivel again.

No, there's not a globalist conspiracy. The Japanese were fucking murdering millions in cold blood and forced the USA into a war. They fucking deserved what they got in terms of unconditional surrender and definitely should've gotten worse with a war crimes tribunal for their monstrous fucking actions in Asia and the Pacific. Same with the Nazis, they should've gotten worse.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:17 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Fenriis wrote:I only have the truth


Shut your fascist, radically antisemitic mouth you hating ****! It's a shame Nazis like you haven't all had lethal injections!


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Postby New Axiom » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:19 am

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:lol fuck no, Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary unless you're a complete fucking moron who thinks the two alternatives (either blockading and completely starving out the Japanese islands - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation - or going through with Operation Downfall - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation. In both cases, upwards to a million or more people - predominantly civilians - would've been massacred by the IJA in mainland China in addition to all the casualties predicted in Japan.) are acceptable in comparison.

The Japanese reufse to surrender since they didn't want their women raped, their banks taken over and their culture destroyed by globalism. The whole evil unconditional surrender demand against the axis nations and the genocidal attacks were the problem. They were targeted for being free nations without Rothschild central banks and because they tried to free Europe and Asia


Right, that’s why the IJA Unit 731 experimented with biological weapons on Chinese civilians, cause freedom.
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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:19 am

Torrocca wrote:
Fenriis wrote:The Japanese reufse to surrender since they didn't want their women raped, their banks taken over and their culture destroyed by globalism. The whole evil unconditional surrender demand against the axis nations and the genocidal attacks were the problem. They were targeted for being free nations without Rothschild central banks and because they tried to free Europe and Asia


Oh boy, this genocide-apologist drivel again.

No, there's not a globalist conspiracy. The Japanese were fucking murdering millions in cold blood and forced the USA into a war. They fucking deserved what they got in terms of unconditional surrender and definitely should've gotten worse with a war crimes tribunal for their monstrous fucking actions in Asia and the Pacific. Same with the Nazis, they should've gotten worse.

American repeatedly proved Japan despite their attempts at peace and put a embargo on them and waged economical warfare and funded terrorism against them after they broke free from the Rothschilds shackles and used debt free state created money like Germany did. Japan's GDP increased by 250 percent and manufacturing by 150 percent while Germany doubled their economy and reduced unemployment by over 5 million hence they were target along with Tsarist Russia, Italy, Libya, Iraq and currently Syria and so forth

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:19 am

Agarntrop wrote:To be honest, I personally think that the soviet invasion of Manchuria is what made Japan surrender, the atomic bombs were dropped on 6 and 9th August and Japan's surrender didn't come until 2nd September. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened only days before the surrender so I don't think you can really attribute the nukes to the surrender anywhere near as much as you can the Russian invasion. There was also a telegram sent on July 25th sent from Japan to the Russians intercepted by the Americans saying they would surrender if they got to keep the emporer which demand the US refuses and then went on to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But when Japan chose to unconditionally surrender on September 2nd and the US occupied it they kept the emporer as a figurehead! It's obvious this was just to show power to the Russians who the other allies were beginning to have shaky relations with because they were installing communist governments in their occupied European land! 280,000 innocent japanese lives and many more American in the on going fighting in August and September 1945 for nothing apart from trying to deter Stalin from messing with the anticommunist USA! Good job Truman! :evil:

You would think that the Japanese would be more concerned about two cities getting wiped out in the blink of an eye, complete naval blockade and air supremacy by The US, and the massive Anglo-American invasion that was about to ensue, but no, I guess it was the Russians talking their colonies some five hundred miles away from the home islands.

Not to mention the invasion of Manchuria began on the same day as Nagasaki and ended more than just a few days before September 2, so it's not like they didn't already know the Soviets were sharpening the razor blades on their Japan-fucking dildos.

Also, occupation of Japan began on 28 August. Their surrender was on 14 August too.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:19 am

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:lol fuck no, Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary unless you're a complete fucking moron who thinks the two alternatives (either blockading and completely starving out the Japanese islands - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation - or going through with Operation Downfall - leading to millions of deaths because the Imperial government would've refused to surrender unconditionally without the incentive of atomic annihilation. In both cases, upwards to a million or more people - predominantly civilians - would've been massacred by the IJA in mainland China in addition to all the casualties predicted in Japan.) are acceptable in comparison.

The Japanese reufse to surrender since they didn't want their women raped, their banks taken over and their culture destroyed by globalism. The whole evil unconditional surrender demand against the axis nations and the genocidal attacks were the problem. They were targeted for being free nations without Rothschild central banks and because they tried to free Europe and Asia


Japan was not trying to free Asia. Please don't insult China with this bullshit.
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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:22 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Fenriis wrote:The Japanese reufse to surrender since they didn't want their women raped, their banks taken over and their culture destroyed by globalism. The whole evil unconditional surrender demand against the axis nations and the genocidal attacks were the problem. They were targeted for being free nations without Rothschild central banks and because they tried to free Europe and Asia


Japan was not trying to free Asia. Please don't insult China with this bullshit.

Communist China is a brutal nation that is brutally and genocidally occupying Tibet and Turkestan and Mao was in the skulls and crossbones and was placed in power by the Rothschild cabal

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:23 am

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Oh boy, this genocide-apologist drivel again.

No, there's not a globalist conspiracy. The Japanese were fucking murdering millions in cold blood and forced the USA into a war. They fucking deserved what they got in terms of unconditional surrender and definitely should've gotten worse with a war crimes tribunal for their monstrous fucking actions in Asia and the Pacific. Same with the Nazis, they should've gotten worse.

American repeatedly proved Japan despite their attempts at peace and put a embargo on them and waged economical warfare and funded terrorism against them after they broke free from the Rothschilds shackles and used debt free state created money like Germany did. Japan's GDP increased by 250 percent and manufacturing by 150 percent while Germany doubled their economy and reduced unemployment by over 5 million hence they were target along with Tsarist Russia, Italy, Libya, Iraq and currently Syria and so forth


America did fucking not provoke Japan. America told Japan repeatedly to stop its fucking wars of aggression across Asia and the Pacific on pain of economic and political sanctions, and they followed rightly through when Japan refused. Your argument's as asinine as someone saying a woman deserved to be raped by a man, or vice versa, because of how they dressed.

And those fucking GDPs and employment rates increased off the backs of slave labor, don't you fucking dare try and pretend those were made of good intentions.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:24 am

Fenriis wrote:
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Oh, look. A Nazi apologist circle. Careful not to cut yourself on all that edge, kid.

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No, a load of apologist revisionist balls if what you have.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:24 am

Fenriis wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Japan was not trying to free Asia. Please don't insult China with this bullshit.

Communist China is a brutal nation that is brutally and genocidally occupying Tibet and Turkestan and Mao was in the skulls and crossbones and was placed in power by the Rothschild cabal

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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:25 am

Torrocca wrote:
Fenriis wrote:American repeatedly proved Japan despite their attempts at peace and put a embargo on them and waged economical warfare and funded terrorism against them after they broke free from the Rothschilds shackles and used debt free state created money like Germany did. Japan's GDP increased by 250 percent and manufacturing by 150 percent while Germany doubled their economy and reduced unemployment by over 5 million hence they were target along with Tsarist Russia, Italy, Libya, Iraq and currently Syria and so forth


America did fucking not provoke Japan. America told Japan repeatedly to stop its fucking wars of aggression across Asia and the Pacific on pain of economic and political sanctions, and they followed rightly through when Japan refused. Your argument's as asinine as someone saying a woman deserved to be raped by a man, or vice versa, because of how they dressed.

And those fucking GDPs and employment rates increased off the backs of slave labor, don't you fucking dare try and pretend those were made of good intentions.

No it was before the war their GDPs increased due to bypassing international finance and due to their monetary and economics reforms. America invaded the Philippines but muh Japan when they defended themselves from Chinese warlords who were attacking and killing Japanese citizens forcing Japan to respond

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:25 am

Fenriis wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Japan was not trying to free Asia. Please don't insult China with this bullshit.

Communist China is a brutal nation that is brutally and genocidally occupying Tibet and Turkestan and Mao was in the skulls and crossbones and was placed in power by the Rothschild cabal


Chiang Kai-shek had the Chinese communists pretty much under control until Japan invaded.

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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Fenriis wrote:Communist China is a brutal nation that is brutally and genocidally occupying Tibet and Turkestan and Mao was in the skulls and crossbones and was placed in power by the Rothschild cabal


Chiang Kai-shek had the Chinese communists pretty much under control until Japan invaded.

He was a freemason that worked for the globalist cabal it seems

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Fenriis wrote:Communist China is a brutal nation that is brutally and genocidally occupying Tibet and Turkestan and Mao was in the skulls and crossbones and was placed in power by the Rothschild cabal


Chiang Kai-shek had the Chinese communists pretty much under control until Japan invaded.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 am

Fenriis wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Chiang Kai-shek had the Chinese communists pretty much under control until Japan invaded.

He was a freemason that worked for the globalist cabal it seems

Based on what exactly?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 am

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
America did fucking not provoke Japan. America told Japan repeatedly to stop its fucking wars of aggression across Asia and the Pacific on pain of economic and political sanctions, and they followed rightly through when Japan refused. Your argument's as asinine as someone saying a woman deserved to be raped by a man, or vice versa, because of how they dressed.

And those fucking GDPs and employment rates increased off the backs of slave labor, don't you fucking dare try and pretend those were made of good intentions.

No it was before the war their GDPs increased due to bypassing international finance and due to their monetary and economics reforms. America invaded the Philippines but muh Japan when they defended themselves from Chinese warlords who were attacking and killing Japanese citizens forcing Japan to respond

How the fuck do Chinese warlords kill Japanese citizens from across the sea.
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Postby Ripon (Ancient) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 am

Yes and no, the main difference to me about this is that the jews were innocent. They were just trying to live there lives but were being hunted down by people like Adolf Hitler. The people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, were citizens of Japan, a nation we were at war with. The Japanese didn't experience any hardships like the jews did until that bomb dropped, and for most, that would have been instantaneous death. Sure some may have been innocent, but it couldn't have been to many that didn't want to see us go.

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Postby Fenriis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:27 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fenriis wrote:No it was before the war their GDPs increased due to bypassing international finance and due to their monetary and economics reforms. America invaded the Philippines but muh Japan when they defended themselves from Chinese warlords who were attacking and killing Japanese citizens forcing Japan to respond

How the fuck do Chinese warlords kill Japanese citizens from across the sea.

They were Japanese people in China who were being murdered hence Japan was angry

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Postby New Axiom » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:27 am

Fenriis wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Chiang Kai-shek had the Chinese communists pretty much under control until Japan invaded.

He was a freemason that worked for the globalist cabal it seems


Where’s the sauce for this “globalist cabal?”
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:27 am

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
America did fucking not provoke Japan. America told Japan repeatedly to stop its fucking wars of aggression across Asia and the Pacific on pain of economic and political sanctions, and they followed rightly through when Japan refused. Your argument's as asinine as someone saying a woman deserved to be raped by a man, or vice versa, because of how they dressed.

And those fucking GDPs and employment rates increased off the backs of slave labor, don't you fucking dare try and pretend those were made of good intentions.

No it was before the war their GDPs increased due to bypassing international finance and due to their monetary and economics reforms. America invaded the Philippines but muh Japan when they defended themselves from Chinese warlords who were attacking and killing Japanese citizens forcing Japan to respond


The Holocaust and the enslavement of millions of Chinese during the Second Sino-Japanese War both began before World War Two, yes. Good on you for actually stating a truthful fact for once.

America was in the Philippines for decades before the Japanese came along. Japan wasn't defending itself from Chinese warlords, it was very blatantly and very deliberately invading China to create a larger mainland empire and to kill millions of innocent people, as demonstrated most clearly in Nanking. But that's all a Rothchild conspiracy, so why am I even fucking bothering to tell you this?
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Postby The Ruby Ravens » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:28 am

Actually, Japan was about to surrender anyways even if we hadn't nuked them... The nukes were really just to intimidate everyone else...

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