Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Doosh]

And that is the typical answer on the left...wait till someone else gets something then steal it.

The best instance of that, AKA Revolutionary Catalonia, saw widespread, rapid improvements to socioeconomic conditions for everyone across the board.

A little bit of a revolution's not a bad idea when it's poised to make things better.

Nice of you to justify burning churches and raping nuns.

[United American Commomwealth]

True Anarchism has never caused death and destruct-

[Sovaal]

True Anarchism has never caused death and destruct-

Turns out most political ideallogies and their followers suck and will do shitty things to those who disagree.

[Torrocca]

The best instance of that, AKA Revolutionary Catalonia, saw widespread, rapid improvements to socioeconomic conditions for everyone across the board.

A little bit of a revolution's not a bad idea when it's poised to make things better.

Nice of you to justify burning churches and raping nuns.

Burnt property = just as bad as Hitler!!1!

Also, Nationalist investigators found no evidence corroborating the claim of rape on behalf of the Republican factions. But who cares what the guys who made up the very propaganda regarding their Republican enemies have to say after the fact?

[Torrocca]

True Anarchism has never caused death and destruct-

Literally no one's ever claimed that Anarchism doesn't cause death and destruction. It's a revolutionary ideology, of course death and destruction will happen (except for among the Anarcho-Pacifists, who are by nature anti-violence). Do you hate current day Liberalism because of the bloody overthrow of Feudalism?

[Reploid Productions]

I'm alarmed by Torrocca's foursquare advocacy of child molestation. By proxy, of course.

Nice of you to justify burning churches and raping nuns.

The site rules. You still haven't gotten the hang of them. Given your rapid history of warnings, including the deletion of three nations this month alone, we're skipping up the ladder somewhat. The ice beneath you grows extremely thin.

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[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Boy, if NS was reflected of right-wing and the left-wing as a whole, they have abandon all belief in a Republicanism, Democracy, Captialism and Individualism. Eh, I should not be surprised... With Donald Trump the face of the right-wing, and Bernie being the face of he left-wing.....at least in U.S it is...

What a delightfully ignorant post.

Hmm, do you know of anyone else that is left-wing as Bernie that has a chance at defeating Donald Trump. I say, and according to polls, he has the best chance at defeating Trump because overall, the U.S is thirsty for populist and “outsider” candidates

[The Liberated Territories]

And all of them were failures

But they existed. People believed in their ideals enough to try and establish it in reality. They didn't do well, but historically speaking, they still rose and tried it, with some difference, later.
which is more than what you can really say about Right-Libs.

I think you are missing the point. Countries that try left-libertarian principles often turn into shitholes, while countries that try libertarian principles (i.e. Estonia, whose leadership of the ruling Reform Party was influenced by Milton Friedman) tend to improve.

The lack of cohesion or establishment of a libertarian society is somewhat a paradox, given the radical individualist nature of many libertarians. Nonetheless, while not strictly a libertarian society, medieval Iceland had many qualities of an anarcho-capitalist society which lasted for 300 years, far beyond the lifespan of many anarcho-communist communities outside of small tribes.

True Anarchism has never caused death and destruct-

Literally no one's ever claimed that Anarchism doesn't cause death and destruction. It's a revolutionary ideology, of course death and destruction will happen (except for among the Anarcho-Pacifists, who are by nature anti-violence). Do you hate current day Liberalism because of the bloody overthrow of Feudalism?

No, I hate current day liberalism because it is morally bankrupt.

[Torrocca]

I think you are missing the point. Countries that try left-libertarian principles often turn into shitholes, while countries that try libertarian principles (i.e. Estonia, whose leadership of the ruling Reform Party was influenced by Milton Friedman) tend to improve.

The lack of cohesion or establishment of a libertarian society is somewhat a paradox, given the radical individualist nature of many libertarians. Nonetheless, while not strictly a libertarian society, medieval Iceland had many qualities of an anarcho-capitalist society which lasted for 300 years, far beyond the lifespan of many anarcho-communist communities outside of small tribes.

Rojava, the Zapatista communities, and Revolutionary Catalonia have all been noted and regarded favorably by political analysts, scholars, and even international organizations like the WHO for their vast, sweeping improvements to society as a whole.

Literally no one's ever claimed that Anarchism doesn't cause death and destruction. It's a revolutionary ideology, of course death and destruction will happen (except for among the Anarcho-Pacifists, who are by nature anti-violence). Do you hate current day Liberalism because of the bloody overthrow of Feudalism?

No, I hate current day liberalism because it is morally bankrupt.

I mean, so do I, but that wasn't necessarily the point being made. The point was, the 18th/19th century revolutions, in a lot of ways, brought outstandingly good change to society. A lot of bad, too, but a lot of good all the same. What we have now, thanks to revolutions, is better than what we had before then (Feudalism and Monarchism).

Basically, revolutions aren't inherently bad things, is what my point is.

[Darussalam]

The only revolution that has changed humanity for the good is the Industrial Revolution.

"Anarchist" revolutions just like the Bolshevik's were just the part of a long chain of Christian Millenarian massacres, except it's the godless kind.

[Torrocca]

The only revolution that has changed humanity for the good is the Industrial Revolution.

"Anarchist" revolutions just like the Bolshevik's were just the part of a long chain of Christian Millenarian massacres, except it's the godless kind.

The Liberal revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries also changed humanity for the good (at least in Europe and the Americas) because of the whole ousting of Feudalism and Monarchism in favor of Republicanism. The Anarchist revolutions of the 20th and 21st centuries have and are creating amazingly positive change in regards to socioeconomic and political dynamics for entire classes of people, but I'm sure you'll create a great, big strawman explaining why that's actually not true.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Anarcho-anything is a bad meme, you're better than this Torrocca plz

[Torrocca]

Anarcho-anything is a bad meme, you're better than this Torrocca plz

*Laughs in democratic workplaces*
*Guffaws in rapid boom of HDI growth*
*Chuckles in genuine statelessness*
*Snickers in true red and black liberty*
*Chortles in Spanish/Latin American Anarchy*

[Washington Resistance Army]

Anarcho-anything is a bad meme, you're better than this Torrocca plz

*Laughs in democratic workplaces*
*Guffaws in rapid boom of HDI growth*
*Chuckles in genuine statelessness*
*Snickers in true red and black liberty*
*Chortles in Spanish/Latin American Anarchy*

Democratic workplaces are a bad meme with no real reason to exist, liberal and capitalist democracies absolutely BTFO'd you when it came to raising HDI's and statelessness might as well be an invitation for some other group to come take your stuff :^]

[Torrocca]

*Laughs in democratic workplaces*
*Guffaws in rapid boom of HDI growth*
*Chuckles in genuine statelessness*
*Snickers in true red and black liberty*
*Chortles in Spanish/Latin American Anarchy*

Democratic workplaces are a bad meme with no real reason to exist,

Human happiness was at an all-time high in Catalonia thanks to the socioeconomic liberation brought about by the Anarcho-Syndicalist trade unions :^)

liberal and capitalist democracies absolutely BTFO'd you when it came to raising HDI's

>What are the Zapatista communities having the greatest amount of HDI growth in all sectors in all of Mexico's impoverished regions
>What is Catalonia having the greatest amount of HDI growth in Spain throughout the civil war until it fell

and statelessness might as well be an invitation for some other group to come take your stuff :^]

*Laughs in Anarchist militias being the first on the frontlines and doing better to hold the line than state soldiers in Spain and Syria/Iraq*

[Frievolk]

The only revolution that has changed humanity for the good is the Industrial Revolution.

"Anarchist" revolutions just like the Bolshevik's were just the part of a long chain of Christian Millenarian massacres, except it's the godless kind.

The Liberal revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries also changed humanity for the good (at least in Europe and the Americas) because of the whole ousting of Feudalism and Monarchism in favor of Republicanism. The Anarchist revolutions of the 20th and 21st centuries have and are creating amazingly positive change in regards to socioeconomic and political dynamics for entire classes of people, but I'm sure you'll create a great, big strawman explaining why that's actually not true.

Aside from a few select examples, most of the 19th century revolutions were nationalist, not liberal.

[Torrocca]

The Liberal revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries also changed humanity for the good (at least in Europe and the Americas) because of the whole ousting of Feudalism and Monarchism in favor of Republicanism. The Anarchist revolutions of the 20th and 21st centuries have and are creating amazingly positive change in regards to socioeconomic and political dynamics for entire classes of people, but I'm sure you'll create a great, big strawman explaining why that's actually not true.

Aside from a few select examples, most of the 19th century revolutions were nationalist, not liberal.

Hmm, well still; the point is, Monarchism and Feudalism both got absolutely BTFO'd by revolutionary fervor and ushered in better things. The same could, and rightly should happen again.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Human happiness was at an all-time high in Catalonia thanks to the socioeconomic liberation brought about by the Anarcho-Syndicalist trade unions :^)

Shame they all died horribly and couldn't defend their system :^]

>What are the Zapatista communities having the greatest amount of HDI growth in all sectors in all of Mexico's impoverished regions
>What is Catalonia having the greatest amount of HDI growth in Spain throughout the civil war until it fell

>what is the entire rest of the world

*Laughs in Anarchist militias being the first on the frontlines and doing better to hold the line than state soldiers in Spain and Syria/Iraq*

The Spaniards failed horribly once Franco actually turned his attention to them and the only reason Rojava hasn't been crushed is because Assad hasn't really even attacked them and they have Uncle Sam backing them up because we love sticking our nose in things.

[Darussalam]

The Liberal revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries also changed humanity for the good (at least in Europe and the Americas) because of the whole ousting of Feudalism and Monarchism in favor of Republicanism.

French Revolution gave us successions of illiberal Frances (only the latest iteration is actually a liberal democracy), Spring of Nations gave us the specters of Marxism and nationalism - all of them ended many good and beautiful things, brought ruination, and gave way to popular delirium that dictates politics ever since. There is no good in political revolution.

The Anarchist revolutions of the 20th and 21st centuries have and are creating amazingly positive change in regards to socioeconomic and political dynamics for entire classes of people, but I'm sure you'll create a great, big strawman explaining why that's actually not true.

Nah buddy, the burden of proof is actually on you

[Torrocca]

Human happiness was at an all-time high in Catalonia thanks to the socioeconomic liberation brought about by the Anarcho-Syndicalist trade unions :^)

Shame they all died horribly and couldn't defend their system :^]

Shame they couldn't get foreign assistance unlike Franco's 70k Italian soldiers plus like 90% of the Spanish military. And yet they held out for four years against a military coup backed by experienced soldiers from elsewhere. :^)

>What are the Zapatista communities having the greatest amount of HDI growth in all sectors in all of Mexico's impoverished regions
>What is Catalonia having the greatest amount of HDI growth in Spain throughout the civil war until it fell

>what is the entire rest of the world

*Laughs in Britbong at the sight of Liberal America while the rest of the world is thoroughly Monarchist*

*Laughs in Anarchist militias being the first on the frontlines and doing better to hold the line than state soldiers in Spain and Syria/Iraq*

The Spaniards failed horribly once Franco actually turned his attention to them and the only reason Rojava hasn't been crushed is because Assad hasn't really even attacked them and they have Uncle Sam backing them up because we love sticking our nose in things.

The Republic held firm thanks to the Anarchist militias despite the vast majority of the military committing to a coup, backed by thousands of foreign volunteers and 70k battle-hardened Italians, and the Kurds are doing fantastic in their own regard and would probably BTFO Assad's bois :^)

[Frievolk]

Aside from a few select examples, most of the 19th century revolutions were nationalist, not liberal.

Hmm, well still; the point is, Monarchism and Feudalism both got absolutely BTFO'd by revolutionary fervor and ushered in better things. The same could, and rightly should happen again.

Feudalism didn't get BTFO'd by revolutionary fervor. it got out of style when it became detrimental to profit. Urbanization, industrialization, etc. (none of which are really about liberalism if we're honest) were what forced the last remaining vestiges of feudalism out and burned them alive. (The majority of the West, at least, did that while in their whole revolutionary phase, be it nationalist or liberal, but then we have the industrialization of Russia by the USSR, or the industrialization of Iran by fucking Reza Shah (who's as far from liberal as a person could possible be)

And Monarhism getting BTFO'd was, in large, due to the shit the USSR did to the countries it puppeted, rather than revolution in and of itself. It turns out republicanism is better suited for autocracy than monarchism after all.

(Fun fact, the majority, if not all, of the 18-19th century revolutions were nationalist, rather than liberal. Like, some of them started liberal, sure, but almost none were really about liberalism by the time they ended.)

[Washington Resistance Army]

>implying 70K Italians on your side is a plus and not a huge negative

This is how I know early 20th century history isn't your expertise Torrocca

[Torrocca]

There is no good in political revolution.

w r o n g

The Anarchist revolutions of the 20th and 21st centuries have and are creating amazingly positive change in regards to socioeconomic and political dynamics for entire classes of people, but I'm sure you'll create a great, big strawman explaining why that's actually not true.

Nah buddy, the burden of proof is actually on you

Oh, good, in that case, here's your proofs. c:

[Torrocca]

>implying 70K Italians on your side is a plus and not a huge negative

This is how I know early 20th century history isn't your expertise Torrocca

>Implying the regular soldiers were bad

They only ate shit under the nepotistic leadership that came swinging it's big dick full force at them a few years down the road; in Spain they were noted to be pretty effective :^)

[Frievolk]

>implying 70K Italians on your side is a plus and not a huge negative

This is how I know early 20th century history isn't your expertise Torrocca

Well, I mean if they aren't led by an Italian they could be a plus...