Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It will happen--but it just means that the endogamous market-dominant minorities rule their own internal empires where the "common man" is the colonial subject. India, Russia, Brazil, and south Asia work like this.

I honestly don't follow, but I'll tell you that British India is not a libertarian utopia.

Progressivism combined with eugenics and social darwinism has a long history, especially in the US.

A history which died with Hitler once he showed what over-enthusiasm for eugenics led to.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

A history which died with Hitler once he showed what over-enthusiasm for eugenics led to.

That's true. But it's specter lives on, however unwittingly, in abortion, which does disproportionately affect minorities and poorer folk.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

A history which died with Hitler once he showed what over-enthusiasm for eugenics led to.

That's true. But it's specter lives on, however unwittingly, in abortion, which does disproportionately affect minorities and poorer folk.

If by affect, you mean it disproportionately helps minorities and poorer folk, yes.

[Phoenicaea]

^all past pages depicts an encrusted reactionary drift within said libertarians, a little further and i feel a wide slice will abandon the sinking ship.

if..‘trade’* wing is gaining its success within the libertarian faction, as ‘civic’ wing we will disperse and dive in big tent, which is happening.

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[Jack Thomas Lang]

If by affect, you mean it disproportionately helps minorities and poorer folk, yes.

I admit, in the current system it is a win-win (even if morally bankrupt). Less minorities and poors, and those that have abortions don't need to worry about raising a child into a bad environment. But that's just it, I want to reform the system so that they won't have to get abortions.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If by affect, you mean it disproportionately helps minorities and poorer folk, yes.

I admit, in the current system it is a win-win (even if morally bankrupt). Less minorities and poors, and those that have abortions don't need to worry about raising a child into a bad environment. But that's just it, I want to reform the system so that they won't have to get abortions.

I agree that reforms to reduce the demand for abortion is a good idea, depending on what those reforms are.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

^all past pages depicts an encrusted reactionary drift within said libertarians, a little further and i feel a wide slice will abandon the sinking ship.

if..‘economics’ wing is gaining its success within the libertarian faction, as ‘civic’ wing we will disperse and dive in big tent, which is happening.

What do you mean? Do you mean there's a rift between libertarians who value economic freedom over personal freedom, versus libertarians who value personal freedom over economic freedom? And which "said libertarians" are you referring to?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I agree that reforms to reduce the demand for abortion is a good idea, depending on what those reforms are.

Apart from the obligatory sex-ed (that is, education about sex, not the political gender bullshit occasionally shoveled in schools), I'm referring to reforms that eliminate desperate poverty, if not poverty completely.

[Phoenicaea]

^_Xenopolis, i wrote the post while i stared at the pregnancy issue posts. for ‘said libertarians’ i meant all libertarians, people who calls themselves as it.

i can t say it.. yes, i suggest we see people who is inclined at ‘income’ issues, and people who is inclined at ‘political’ issues. radicals have to be political.

[Goldstandardstan]

As a libertarian I don't see a reason to make abortion illegal. Unwanted pregnancy can always happen even if stuff like condoms are used.

[Taihei Tengoku]

It will happen--but it just means that the endogamous market-dominant minorities rule their own internal empires where the "common man" is the colonial subject. India, Russia, Brazil, and south Asia work like this.

I honestly don't follow, but I'll tell you that British India is not a libertarian utopia.

Indian India is also an internal empire. Why? There is no trust within elites to not use its billion proles as a cudgel against other elites. If there is no trust then you have to establish the proper expectations by force.

[Imperial Joseon]

As a libertarian I don't see a reason to make abortion illegal. Unwanted pregnancy can always happen even if stuff like condoms are used.

Only before ten weeks. Otherwise, things can get grueling.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I honestly don't follow, but I'll tell you that British India is not a libertarian utopia.

Indian India is also an internal empire. Why? There is no trust within elites to not use its billion proles as a cudgel against other elites. If there is no trust then you have to establish the proper expectations by force.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say. But Indian India is not a libertarian utopia either. Libertarianism and autocracy don't mix, nor does libertarianism mix with caste systems.

[Elwher]

Is it human if it can only live if attached to a machine?

No, he's a cyborg and will be doomed to join the teen titans before inevitably the show gets rewritten to be a goofy unfunny kid show that lacks the seriousness it once had

So requiring dialysis makes one inhuman?

[Darussalam]

"Libertarianism" is a high-trust society built with rationally peaceful high-IQ WEIRDs. You cannot achieve it with people who are literally too stupid to comprehend its order.

That doesn't mean you need eugenics.

Do you support abortion or do you not?

I mean, I'd understand that if the comparison here are two entirely different policies, but what's the difference between supporting legalized voluntary abortion and supporting legalized voluntary abortion plus another additional reason, aside from badthink contamination that makes no relevance whatsoever in the real life?

There's nothing "edgelord" about eugenics. The polite society doesn't use the term publicly because it's associated with the Nazis, even though they instigated the world's largest and most successful state-sponsored dysgenic (that is, anti-eugenic) operation.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That doesn't mean you need eugenics.

Do you support abortion or do you not?

I mean, I'd understand that if the comparison here are two entirely different policies, but what's the difference between supporting legalized voluntary abortion and supporting legalized voluntary abortion plus another additional reason, aside from badthink contamination that makes no relevance whatsoever in the real life?

There's nothing "edgelord" about eugenics. The polite society doesn't use the term publicly because it's associated with the Nazis, even though they instigated the world's largest and most successful state-sponsored dysgenic (that is, anti-eugenic) operation.

The problem with eugenics is that it usually violates the rights of people who eugenicists believe should reproduce less, or gives an unfair advantage to those who people want to reproduce more. That said, if a partuclar "eugenics" policy does neither of those things, then it's not inherently bad.

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Do you support abortion or do you not?

I mean, I'd understand that if the comparison here are two entirely different policies, but what's the difference between supporting legalized voluntary abortion and supporting legalized voluntary abortion plus another additional reason, aside from badthink contamination that makes no relevance whatsoever in the real life?

There's nothing "edgelord" about eugenics. The polite society doesn't use the term publicly because it's associated with the Nazis, even though they instigated the world's largest and most successful state-sponsored dysgenic (that is, anti-eugenic) operation.

The problem with eugenics is that it usually violates the rights of people who eugenicists believe should reproduce less, or gives an unfair advantage to those who people want to reproduce more. That said, if a partuclar "eugenics" policy does neither of those things, then it's not inherently bad.

Conversely, people with good genetics who want to be childfree could be coerced. Not me specifically, my DNA is full of addiction and depression! But if it wasn't I still prefer my independent, impulsive lifestyle and I don't need no eugenicist telling me to breed for the greater good.

[Imperial Joseon]

No, he's a cyborg and will be doomed to join the teen titans before inevitably the show gets rewritten to be a goofy unfunny kid show that lacks the seriousness it once had

So requiring dialysis makes one inhuman?

Not in my opinion.

[Phoenicaea]

^_Darussalam, here is a logic argument in front of eugenetics. the unwished consequences of man when he manages something he believes to see.

give the case i discard some class of people, of gameti, for some features i believe most substainaible in communities (which is subjected to change).

who can say toghether with these features i m not digging a grave with disappearance of other pluralities of features?

in my judgement, if i prefer some physical and vivacity characteristics, am i sure i don t deny knowledge of true human value in society?

[The Liberated Territories]

What do we think of Left Wing Market Anarchism?

https://c4ss.org/

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

What do we think of Left Wing Market Anarchism?

https://c4ss.org/

I find it kind of admirable. Probably the best ideology within "leftism." They get picked on by other leftists too much for "not being fully leftist" or "not changing the relations of production" or something like that. And I don't think that's entirely fair.

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I have a vision for a form of market anarchism that is a synthesis of anarcho-syndicalism and Georgism.

Land and natural resources are the collective property of all mankind, while goods created by labor are the property of those who make it. Syndicates in which all workers have ownership would pay a "tax" in the form of currency to society to reimburse people for their share of the trees, the minerals, the livestock, etc. Some of this currency will be used to fund public works and services like health care, education, housing, and infrastructure, the rest will be distributed to the people as universal basic income. Those who choose to work, in a system in which all workers are unionized and have partial ownership of their company, can earn supplemental income which can be spent in a market for non-essential goods, and those who offer these goods can profit from them.

[Taihei Tengoku]

What do we think of Left Wing Market Anarchism?

https://c4ss.org/

Entryists--they'll sell you out in an instant

[Northern Davincia]

I admit, in the current system it is a win-win (even if morally bankrupt). Less minorities and poors, and those that have abortions don't need to worry about raising a child into a bad environment. But that's just it, I want to reform the system so that they won't have to get abortions.

I agree that reforms to reduce the demand for abortion is a good idea, depending on what those reforms are.

If abortion is not immoral, why bother reducing it?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I agree that reforms to reduce the demand for abortion is a good idea, depending on what those reforms are.

If abortion is not immoral, why bother reducing it?

It's not immoral, but high demand for it is usually a bad sign.