Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[New Paine]

Except that's not what I was arguing, though I can admittedly understand the confusion. My issue with the right-wing hijacking of the term is less "we had it first" and more "the term doesn't actually apply to them." Right-libertarians don't oppose oppression and injustice, just government-based oppression and injustice. Not good enough.

Libertarianism as an ideology is only concerned with the political sphere, not so much with the private sphere. In fact it's probably best not to mix the two...

There are indeed some libertarians that privately culturally and socially conservative, but I see that number shrinking everyday.

[The Liberated Territories]

Libertarianism as an ideology is only concerned with the political sphere, not so much with the private sphere. In fact it's probably best not to mix the two...

There are indeed some libertarians that privately culturally and socially conservative, but I see that number shrinking everyday.

NB if there is a libertarian > alt right pipeline, it's probably a good thing as it needs out all the problematic people.

[New Paine]

There are indeed some libertarians that privately culturally and socially conservative, but I see that number shrinking everyday.

NB if there is a libertarian > alt right pipeline, it's probably a good thing as it needs out all the problematic people.

I can see a slight trend of left libertarians becoming tankies as well. It is not as noticeable as right libertarians becoming authoritarians, but I can still see it...

[Proctopeo]

NB if there is a libertarian > alt right pipeline, it's probably a good thing as it needs out all the problematic people.

I can see a slight trend of left libertarians becoming tankies as well. It is not as noticeable as right libertarians becoming authoritarians, but I can still see it...

Generally I observe less of a "pipeline" and more of a general trend of left-authoritarians masquerading as left-libertarians. The line can get blurry as it is, but it gets extra complicated when ancoms want the government to control what people are allowed to say on the Internet.

[Rojava Free State]

There are indeed some libertarians that privately culturally and socially conservative, but I see that number shrinking everyday.

NB if there is a libertarian > alt right pipeline, it's probably a good thing as it needs out all the problematic people.

Liberals who claim there's a liberterian-alt right pipeline clearly don't understand how radically different the two are.

Liberterian: allow others to live how they wanna live and keep the government out of most people's lives. Maximize freedom

Alt right (fascists): force people to live as you see fit in order to stomp out "degeneracy" and wrongthink, have the government be everywhere like big brother, and kill freedom so you can give communists, Brown people, feminists and social democrats the boot

Only an SJW could think these two things are alike at all. It offends me when anyone even remotely draws a link between people like me and the alt right, and shows a clearly lack of understanding on politics

[Rojava Free State]

I can see a slight trend of left libertarians becoming tankies as well. It is not as noticeable as right libertarians becoming authoritarians, but I can still see it...

Generally I observe less of a "pipeline" and more of a general trend of left-authoritarians masquerading as left-libertarians. The line can get blurry as it is, but it gets extra complicated when ancoms want the government to control what people are allowed to say on the Internet.

Antifa is literally a living paradox. They believe in anarchism but want the government to censor what you can and can't say. Literally they don't know what they're talking about. This is what happens when Larping gets out of control. It's also what happens when you buy your son a Che T shirt at age 11

[New Paine]

NB if there is a libertarian > alt right pipeline, it's probably a good thing as it needs out all the problematic people.

Liberals who claim there's a liberterian-alt right pipeline clearly don't understand how radically different the two are.

Liberterian: allow others to live how they wanna live and keep the government out of most people's lives. Maximize freedom

Alt right (fascists): force people to live as you see fit in order to stomp out "degeneracy" and wrongthink, have the government be everywhere like big brother, and kill freedom so you can give communists, Brown people, feminists and social democrats the boot

Only an SJW could think these two things are alike at all. It offends me when anyone even remotely draws a link between people like me and the alt right, and shows a clearly lack of understanding on politics

The theory is that some former right-Libertarians are changing their world views and becoming authoritarians, or “alt-right”. The theory is not claiming the two are the same, although I have seen some anti-white leftists claim “When white men are focused on individualism, they eventually become racists”.

[New Paine]

I can see a slight trend of left libertarians becoming tankies as well. It is not as noticeable as right libertarians becoming authoritarians, but I can still see it...

Generally I observe less of a "pipeline" and more of a general trend of left-authoritarians masquerading as left-libertarians. The line can get blurry as it is, but it gets extra complicated when ancoms want the government to control what people are allowed to say on the Internet.

Antifas views on sexuality, gender and drugs might still keep them in the green square, although they are just nudging up to the red square(ba dum tsssh)

[Rojava Free State]

Liberals who claim there's a liberterian-alt right pipeline clearly don't understand how radically different the two are.

Liberterian: allow others to live how they wanna live and keep the government out of most people's lives. Maximize freedom

Alt right (fascists): force people to live as you see fit in order to stomp out "degeneracy" and wrongthink, have the government be everywhere like big brother, and kill freedom so you can give communists, Brown people, feminists and social democrats the boot

Only an SJW could think these two things are alike at all. It offends me when anyone even remotely draws a link between people like me and the alt right, and shows a clearly lack of understanding on politics

The theory is that some former right-Libertarians are changing their world views and becoming authoritarians, or “alt-right”. The theory is not claiming the two are the same, although I have seen some anti-white leftists claim “When white men are focused on individualism, they eventually become racists”.

Most racism is very anti individualist. Racism is a collective ideology that puts the well-being of a race above all else. Individualists like me couldn't give a fuck about race. That's why when my one cousin married a black man...I did nothing. Because it doesn't affect me at all

[The Liberated Territories]

The theory is that some former right-Libertarians are changing their world views and becoming authoritarians, or “alt-right”. The theory is not claiming the two are the same, although I have seen some anti-white leftists claim “When white men are focused on individualism, they eventually become racists”.

Most racism is very anti individualist. Racism is a collective ideology that puts the well-being of a race above all else. Individualists like me couldn't give a fuck about race. That's why when my one cousin married a black man...I did nothing. Because it doesn't affect me at all

But what if your one cousin married your brother?

[Rojava Free State]

Most racism is very anti individualist. Racism is a collective ideology that puts the well-being of a race above all else. Individualists like me couldn't give a fuck about race. That's why when my one cousin married a black man...I did nothing. Because it doesn't affect me at all

But what if your one cousin married your brother?

You can't marry someone who doesn't exist, and while I would be disgusted by it if I did have a brother, I don't know if the government should be getting involved

Racism involves collectivism. It's all about a mob mentality of us vs them

[Northern Davincia]

Most racism is very anti individualist. Racism is a collective ideology that puts the well-being of a race above all else. Individualists like me couldn't give a fuck about race. That's why when my one cousin married a black man...I did nothing. Because it doesn't affect me at all

But what if your one cousin married your brother?

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

[Rojava Free State]

The thing is, it isn't even about whether you're opposed to something or not. Liberterians can personally oppose something without asking for the government to get involved. The alt right isn't like that. Richard Spencer doesn't get up on stage and say "I don't like a thing" followed bt applause and someone saying "I too am not fond of the thing." He gets up onstage and suggests a white revolution. The attomwaffen division and the base seek to start a race war, not to personally oppose something. The idea that libertarians could get down with a race war is ridiculous

[The Liberated Territories]

But what if your one cousin married your brother?

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

But what if they are Strong, Quick and Attractive?

[Northern Davincia]

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

But what if they are Strong, Quick and Attractive?

[New Paine]

The thing is, it isn't even about whether you're opposed to something or not. Liberterians can personally oppose something without asking for the government to get involved. The alt right isn't like that. Richard Spencer doesn't get up on stage and say "I don't like a thing" followed bt applause and someone saying "I too am not fond of the thing." He gets up onstage and suggests a white revolution. The attomwaffen division and the base seek to start a race war, not to personally oppose something. The idea that libertarians could get down with a race war is ridiculous

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. The former right-libertarians turned alt-right disavow their beliefs in individualism and capitalism. What the far-right did to recruit right-libertarians is did claim that a truly libertarian and/or classical liberal society cannot exist in a multicultural/multiracial society. Hell, even Rothbard endorsed David Duke, and said that libertarians should ally themselves with the far-right because he said the far right stood for state rights and dramatically reducing the size of federal government.

[Elwher]

But what if your one cousin married your brother?

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

And exactly how close a relationship defines incestuous?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The thing is, it isn't even about whether you're opposed to something or not. Liberterians can personally oppose something without asking for the government to get involved. The alt right isn't like that. Richard Spencer doesn't get up on stage and say "I don't like a thing" followed bt applause and someone saying "I too am not fond of the thing." He gets up onstage and suggests a white revolution. The attomwaffen division and the base seek to start a race war, not to personally oppose something. The idea that libertarians could get down with a race war is ridiculous

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. The former right-libertarians turned alt-right disavow their beliefs in individualism and capitalism. What the far-right did to recruit right-libertarians is did claim that a truly libertarian and/or classical liberal society cannot exist in a multicultural/multiracial society. Hell, even Rothbard endorsed David Duke, and said that libertarians should ally themselves with the far-right because he said the far right stood for state rights and dramatically reducing the size of federal government.

Most fascists who are ex-libertarian do renounce all of their pro-liberty views, though there are strange cases like this where someone identifies with both labels.

I still don't think the two views are very compatible, such people are either more fascist than libertarian or vice versa. Libertarianism requires civil liberties for example, which fascism is certainly not known for preserving.

[Rojava Free State]

The thing is, it isn't even about whether you're opposed to something or not. Liberterians can personally oppose something without asking for the government to get involved. The alt right isn't like that. Richard Spencer doesn't get up on stage and say "I don't like a thing" followed bt applause and someone saying "I too am not fond of the thing." He gets up onstage and suggests a white revolution. The attomwaffen division and the base seek to start a race war, not to personally oppose something. The idea that libertarians could get down with a race war is ridiculous

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. The former right-libertarians turned alt-right disavow their beliefs in individualism and capitalism. What the far-right did to recruit right-libertarians is did claim that a truly libertarian and/or classical liberal society cannot exist in a multicultural/multiracial society. Hell, even Rothbard endorsed David Duke, and said that libertarians should ally themselves with the far-right because he said the far right stood for state rights and dramatically reducing the size of federal government.

The far right would definitely only dramatically increase the size of the federal government. Fascists like totalitarianism just as much as maoists, which is why I don't like either of them

[Rojava Free State]

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

And exactly how close a relationship defines incestuous?

Imo a brother and sister getting it on. Cousins aren't as genetically close and if they're second or third cousins they're barely even related, and step siblings are not related at all except by a marriage. If my parents divorced and my dad remarried a woman with a good looking daughter, and this girl was a freak, ima just say it right now that it's happening. Fuck what you've heard, it's totally a-ok

But an actual brother-sister weird sex thing is a big no from me. That's actual incest

[Elwher]

And exactly how close a relationship defines incestuous?

Imo a brother and sister getting it on. Cousins aren't as genetically close and if they're second or third cousins they're barely even related, and step siblings are not related at all except by a marriage. If my parents divorced and my dad remarried a woman with a good looking daughter, and this girl was a freak, ima just say it right now that it's happening. Fuck what you've heard, it's totally a-ok

But an actual brother-sister weird sex thing is a big no from me. That's actual incest

How about parent/child (above the age of consent, of course)?

[Yawkland]

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

And exactly how close a relationship defines incestuous?

Siblings, parents, grandparents, nieces/nephews

This isn't rocket science people

[Yawkland]

Imo a brother and sister getting it on. Cousins aren't as genetically close and if they're second or third cousins they're barely even related, and step siblings are not related at all except by a marriage. If my parents divorced and my dad remarried a woman with a good looking daughter, and this girl was a freak, ima just say it right now that it's happening. Fuck what you've heard, it's totally a-ok

But an actual brother-sister weird sex thing is a big no from me. That's actual incest

How about parent/child (above the age of consent, of course)?

While not illegal, the people who do this sort of shit usually have something incredibly wrong with them. It's not normal and likely indicative of other disorders. You should not be having sex with immediate family members. If you do, any resulting pregnancy should be terminated.

[Elwher]

And exactly how close a relationship defines incestuous?

Siblings, parents, grandparents, nieces/nephews

This isn't rocket science people

If you want to get the legal system involved, it needs an exact definition. If you do intend private justice, then "I know it when I see it" suffices, I suppose.

[Vascottozer]

But what if your one cousin married your brother?

Incestuous couples ought to be flogged, to be fair.

Well if the people want it, then sure. If they don't, then no. I would disagree personally.