Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Elwher]

That's like trying to replace the frame while driving.

It's more like taking a pitstop amid a race while your car is rusted, scratched, dented, and missing two tires and getting everything fixed.

Sorry, but not even the Mille Miglia had pitstops that extensive. You need a different analogy.

[Northern Davincia]

These metaphors are lost on me.

[Petrolheadia]

It's more like taking a pitstop amid a race while your car is rusted, scratched, dented, and missing two tires and getting everything fixed.

Sorry, but not even the Mille Miglia had pitstops that extensive. You need a different analogy.

To be fair, we've already known Torrocca has the "didn't replace oil in my Prius 'cause it has no engine" grasp on automotive issues when she suggested an anarchist commune can engineer high-end sports cars.

[Proctopeo]

Sorry, but not even the Mille Miglia had pitstops that extensive. You need a different analogy.

To be fair, we've already known Torrocca has the "didn't replace oil in my Prius 'cause it has no engine" grasp on automotive issues when she suggested an anarchist commune can engineer high-end sports cars.

Cheap go-karts are basically the same thing as high-end sports cars.

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Sorry, but not even the Mille Miglia had pitstops that extensive. You need a different analogy.

To be fair, we've already known Torrocca has the "didn't replace oil in my Prius 'cause it has no engine" grasp on automotive issues when she suggested an anarchist commune can engineer high-end sports cars.

Manufacturing a car requires material, knowledge, and labor, none of which are dependent on the existence of a state.

[Torrocca]

Sorry, but not even the Mille Miglia had pitstops that extensive. You need a different analogy.

To be fair, we've already known Torrocca has the "didn't replace oil in my Prius 'cause it has no engine" grasp on automotive issues when she suggested an anarchist commune can engineer high-end sports cars.

I guess Capitalists exist on an entirely different mortal plane of reality entirely if you think Anarchists can't have the ability to manufacture luxury items, because apparently doing things like getting blueprints from the companies you seize and democratize, or even coming up with a new invention, or whatever is literally an impossibility for the plebes. Never mind the fact that most of today's inventions were decidedly built by people who weren't and aren't the richest most Capitalistic motherfuckers on the planet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least this explains the deification of Capitalists by Libertarians.

[West Leas Oros 2]

To be fair, we've already known Torrocca has the "didn't replace oil in my Prius 'cause it has no engine" grasp on automotive issues when she suggested an anarchist commune can engineer high-end sports cars.

Manufacturing a car requires material, knowledge, and labor, none of which are dependent on the existence of a state.

Kind of hard to have those things without humans, and humans are dependent on the existence of a state.

[Torrocca]

Manufacturing a car requires material, knowledge, and labor, none of which are dependent on the existence of a state.

Kind of hard to have those things without humans, and humans are dependent on the existence of a state.

>TFW humanity never existed before the creation of states
>TFW humans don't exist in areas that are sans state control like the Zapatista territories, Rojava, or even good old Antarctica

[Frievolk]

Manufacturing a car requires material, knowledge, and labor, none of which are dependent on the existence of a state.

Kind of hard to have those things without humans, and humans are dependent on the existence of a state.

That is a very very hot take. And not at all close to reality.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Manufacturing a car requires material, knowledge, and labor, none of which are dependent on the existence of a state.

Kind of hard to have those things without humans, and humans are dependent on the existence of a state.

How are we dependent on the state? Humans have existed long before the first states?

[Torrocca]

Kind of hard to have those things without humans, and humans are dependent on the existence of a state.

How are we dependent on the state? Humans have existed long before the first states?

Those humans clearly weren't and aren't real, duh.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I retract my previous statement. Modern Humans are dependent on a state.

[Torrocca]

I retract my previous statement. Modern Humans are dependent on a state.

There's a fuckton of modern humans that don't use the state or depend on it to survive.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I retract my previous statement. Modern Humans are dependent on a state.

There's a fuckton of modern humans that don't use the state or depend on it to survive.

And there’s about 7 and a half billion who do.

[Torrocca]

There's a fuckton of modern humans that don't use the state or depend on it to survive.

And there’s about 7 and a half billion who do.

A bit less than that, actually. If you account for all the dysfunctional states across the globe and the numerous places that have next to no statist oversight. :^)

[Great Minarchistan]

society is a neural network

[Proctopeo]

And there’s about 7 and a half billion who do.

A bit less than that, actually. If you account for all the dysfunctional states across the globe and the numerous places that have next to no statist oversight. :^)

Survive, live, and flourish are three separate categories. Simply "surviving" isn't a good sign.

[Torrocca]

A bit less than that, actually. If you account for all the dysfunctional states across the globe and the numerous places that have next to no statist oversight. :^)

Survive, live, and flourish are three separate categories. Simply "surviving" isn't a good sign.

Gee, I wonder what could be preventing them from flourishing (if they perceive it as such). :thonk:

[Proctopeo]

Survive, live, and flourish are three separate categories. Simply "surviving" isn't a good sign.

Gee, I wonder what could be preventing them from flourishing (if they perceive it as such). :thonk:

Their lack of a functioning state?

[Torrocca]

Gee, I wonder what could be preventing them from flourishing (if they perceive it as such). :thonk:

Their lack of a functioning state?

The Capitalism that ruthlessly exploited their lands, destroyed their ability to self-govern while simultaneously throwing them into borders dictated from a whole different continent with no regard for the histories or social relations of groups, and left them with scraps?

[Proctopeo]

Their lack of a functioning state?

The Capitalism that ruthlessly exploited their lands, destroyed their ability to self-govern while simultaneously throwing them into borders dictated from a whole different continent with no regard for the histories or social relations of groups, and left them with scraps?

Probably mostly the state thing, and also some degree of ethnic violence.
Let's redraw Africa and try to get it right this time. Or at least, more right.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The Capitalism that ruthlessly exploited their lands, destroyed their ability to self-govern while simultaneously throwing them into borders dictated from a whole different continent with no regard for the histories or social relations of groups, and left them with scraps?

Their lack of a functioning state?

Likely a combination of the two, in my opinion.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The Capitalism that ruthlessly exploited their lands, destroyed their ability to self-govern while simultaneously throwing them into borders dictated from a whole different continent with no regard for the histories or social relations of groups, and left them with scraps?

Probably mostly the state thing, and also some degree of ethnic violence.
Let's redraw Africa and try to get it right this time. Or at least, more right.

United African Union. One big superstate comprised of the entire continent.

[Proctopeo]

Probably mostly the state thing, and also some degree of ethnic violence.
Let's redraw Africa and try to get it right this time. Or at least, more right.

United African Union. One big superstate comprised of the entire continent.

That will last all of 17 hours as it rapidly devolves into a massive amount of religious and ethnic violence.
Think South Sudan, but on a continent-wide scale.
It'd sort itself out into reasonable borders similar to most of Europe (bar the Balkans) that encompass a culture or a group of related cultures who are willing to cooperate, but I'm not sure millions of Africans dying in the world's biggest civil war would be worth it.

The ratings, however, would be spectacular, if you treat it like reality TV. "And today, we're meeting with Contestant #455, the leader of the Hausa Nationalist Front, not to be confused with the Nationalist Hausa Front or the Front of Nationalism for the Hausa Peoples"

[West Leas Oros 2]

United African Union. One big superstate comprised of the entire continent.

That will last all of 17 hours as it rapidly devolves into a massive amount of religious and ethnic violence.
Think South Sudan, but on a continent-wide scale.
It'd sort itself out into reasonable borders similar to most of Europe (bar the Balkans) that encompass a culture or a group of related cultures who are willing to cooperate, but I'm not sure millions of Africans dying in the world's biggest civil war would be worth it.

The ratings, however, would be spectacular, if you treat it like reality TV. "And today, we're meeting with Contestant #455, the leader of the Hausa Nationalist Front, not to be confused with the Nationalist Hausa Front or the Front of Nationalism for the Hausa Peoples"

You just thought of the most ruthlessly capitalist way to treat a continent-wide ethnic war. Congratulations.