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What is the best libertarian ideology?

Poll ended at Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:00 pm

Classical liberalism
32
48%
Minarchism
6
9%
Anarcho-capitalism
3
5%
Bakunin's anarchism
5
8%
Anarcho-syndicalism
11
17%
Other/Anarcho-statism
9
14%
 
Total votes : 66

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Postby Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:07 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Except that mutualism, while seemingly more palatable than other forms of "libertarian" socialism, would in effect justify large scale theft of property so long as it is deemed by some entity that that property is not in use and can be reappropriated.

So did Capitalism when it effectively allowed the State to redistribute the properties of the Feudals, but nobody seems to care about that.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Frievolk wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Except that mutualism, while seemingly more palatable than other forms of "libertarian" socialism, would in effect justify large scale theft of property so long as it is deemed by some entity that that property is not in use and can be reappropriated.

So did Capitalism when it effectively allowed the State to redistribute the properties of the Feudals, but nobody seems to care about that.


Shhh, that doesn't count because those people were doing their oppressive authoritarianism in the wrong way /s
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:38 am

Frievolk wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Except that mutualism, while seemingly more palatable than other forms of "libertarian" socialism, would in effect justify large scale theft of property so long as it is deemed by some entity that that property is not in use and can be reappropriated.

So did Capitalism when it effectively allowed the State to redistribute the properties of the Feudals, but nobody seems to care about that.

Because the capitalist model involved buyouts of the land.

You're talking about the more authoritarain one.
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Postby Frievolk » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:46 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:So did Capitalism when it effectively allowed the State to redistribute the properties of the Feudals, but nobody seems to care about that.

Because the capitalist model involved buyouts of the land.

You're talking about the more authoritarain one.

Not really. In a lot of societies, the State was eventually forced to do land reforms and shit like that before capitalism could be established. Most of the time, that doesn't include buying the land from a feudal. (Similarly, abolitionism: You don't buy the slaves, you force the slaver to free them.)
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:00 am

Frievolk wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Because the capitalist model involved buyouts of the land.

You're talking about the more authoritarain one.

Not really. In a lot of societies, the State was eventually forced to do land reforms and shit like that before capitalism could be established. Most of the time, that doesn't include buying the land from a feudal. (Similarly, abolitionism: You don't buy the slaves, you force the slaver to free them.)

Sometimes, it does. The first example that springs to my mind is 1920s Poland (as well as similar comcepts arising in the 18th century and Austro-Hungary buying out the distilleries operating just to get the local peasants drunk), with me being Polish.

There was also the shift from peasantry to renting and sharecropping (e.g. US, UK, Prussia).
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Postby Autarkheia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:49 am

Frievolk wrote:Honestly tho, Anarchism is just a rational conclusion of the train of thought that started with The Age of Enlightenment: "The State is a Necessary Evil"
A necessary evil is still an evil after all.
Which why I'm a philosophical anarchist. I think it would be awesome if we could get by without a state. The only problem is that it's a big if.
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Got to say I like you way better than the edgy "liberals get the bullet too" anarchists I've met online. They're probably just lifestylists.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:37 pm

Autarkheia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Honestly tho, Anarchism is just a rational conclusion of the train of thought that started with The Age of Enlightenment: "The State is a Necessary Evil"
A necessary evil is still an evil after all.
Which why I'm a philosophical anarchist. I think it would be awesome if we could get by without a state. The only problem is that it's a big if.
Torrocca wrote:This is why I'm open to compromise with even social democrats and center-left liberals despite my unwavering optimism.
Got to say I like you way better than the edgy "liberals get the bullet too" anarchists I've met online. They're probably just lifestylists.

I like to imagine that it's possible to live without a state on a large scale. More should be done to promote social experiments to give a definitive answer.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:16 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Autarkheia wrote:Which why I'm a philosophical anarchist. I think it would be awesome if we could get by without a state. The only problem is that it's a big if.
Got to say I like you way better than the edgy "liberals get the bullet too" anarchists I've met online. They're probably just lifestylists.

I like to imagine that it's possible to live without a state on a large scale. More should be done to promote social experiments to give a definitive answer.

First it should be tried on a small scale. Recreate something like Gault's Gulch Chile, only without a scam artist running it, and see if it works.

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Postby Darussalam » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:56 pm

If medieval Iceland is any indication, a stable equilibrium of stateless society is possible through (1) relative wealth equality and (2) internal racial homogeneity and isolation from the outside world.

I'm not seeing why it would be "ideal" to have stateless societies. Medieval Icelandic society did not push for wealth creation, most of its populace were living on near-subsistence level common in premodern era, and the legal system that evolves in the vacuum of state power generally relies on disproportionate vengeance as an incentive against perceived crime/slight, not really something to be envied.
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Postby Elwher » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:38 pm

Autarkheia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Honestly tho, Anarchism is just a rational conclusion of the train of thought that started with The Age of Enlightenment: "The State is a Necessary Evil"
A necessary evil is still an evil after all.
Which why I'm a philosophical anarchist. I think it would be awesome if we could get by without a state. The only problem is that it's a big if.


I have often said that a Libertarian is someone who wishes anarchism would work, but knows it won't; so we settle for the next best thing.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:34 am

Darussalam wrote:If medieval Iceland is any indication, a stable equilibrium of stateless society is possible through (1) relative wealth equality and (2) internal racial homogeneity and isolation from the outside world.

I'm not seeing why it would be "ideal" to have stateless societies. Medieval Icelandic society did not push for wealth creation, most of its populace were living on near-subsistence level common in premodern era, and the legal system that evolves in the vacuum of state power generally relies on disproportionate vengeance as an incentive against perceived crime/slight, not really something to be envied.

I agree. While the state should be heavily restricted in scope, abolishing it completely might not be the best idea.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:49 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I like to imagine that it's possible to live without a state on a large scale. More should be done to promote social experiments to give a definitive answer.

First it should be tried on a small scale. Recreate something like Gault's Gulch Chile, only without a scam artist running it, and see if it works.

I'd be in favor of that.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:28 am

Torrocca wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Ok look, I'm as anarchic as the next guy but please don't mistake 19th century Scientific Romanticism with actual science.


b-b-but Mutual Aid is a legitimate scientific outlook on humanity ;~;

Dialectical Materialism Mutual Aid is a SCIENCE!
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:54 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
b-b-but Mutual Aid is a legitimate scientific outlook on humanity ;~;

Dialectical Materialism Mutual Aid is a SCIENCE!

Mutual aid is like making a society out of dominos.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Dialectical Materialism Mutual Aid is a SCIENCE!

Mutual aid is like making a society out of dominos.

we live in a domino's, pizzas rise up
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Postby Page » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:10 pm

Darussalam wrote:I'm not seeing why it would be "ideal" to have stateless societies. Medieval Icelandic society did not push for wealth creation, most of its populace were living on near-subsistence level common in premodern era, and the legal system that evolves in the vacuum of state power generally relies on disproportionate vengeance as an incentive against perceived crime/slight, not really something to be envied.


I think it would be ideal for those who want to form stateless societies to be able to do so, while those who wish to remain under a state can do that too. Worldwide statelessness doesn't have to be achieved (and probably can never be). What is required is that anarchist communities become numerous, self-sufficient, and powerful enough that the state no longer deems it worth it to attempt to subjugate them.

And I think the problem of disproportionate vengeance could be minimized if communities are based on voluntary association and mutual aid. In most personal disputes, the community could serve as mediators. Of course, it may also happen that two people decide to settle their dispute with a duel once in awhile, but even that is not as savage as it seems. One thing a lot of people don't know about duels is that participants would often intentionally miss their shots because they didn't truly desire to kill the other. And in such a situation where each has the chance to kill another but declines to do so, that can lay the dispute to rest.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:15 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Mutual aid is like making a society out of dominos.

we live in a domino's, pizzas rise up
-papa john or some shit idk

Papa John's ain't bad but Pizza Hut is the true ancap fast food brand.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:43 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Dialectical Materialism Mutual Aid is a SCIENCE!

Mutual aid is like making a society out of dominos.


Mutual aid is more like making society as its foundations again, minus tearing down everything built atop said foundations.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:14 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Mutual aid is like making a society out of dominos.


Mutual aid is more like making society as its foundations again, minus tearing down everything built atop said foundations.

That's like trying to replace the frame while driving.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:16 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Mutual aid is like making a society out of dominos.


Mutual aid is more like making society as its foundations again, minus tearing down everything built atop said foundations.

Replacing the foundations, without replacing everything built on those foundations?
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:18 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Mutual aid is more like making society as its foundations again, minus tearing down everything built atop said foundations.

Replacing the foundations, without replacing everything built on those foundations?


Recreating the foundations atop themselves and all that's built upon them.

Or, y'know, adding a roof to a roofless building or whathaveyou.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:18 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Mutual aid is more like making society as its foundations again, minus tearing down everything built atop said foundations.

That's like trying to replace the frame while driving.


It's more like taking a pitstop amid a race while your car is rusted, scratched, dented, and missing two tires and getting everything fixed.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:That's like trying to replace the frame while driving.


It's more like taking a pitstop amid a race while your car is rusted, scratched, dented, and missing two tires and getting everything fixed.

Which is an awful idea if you're in a race.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:26 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It's more like taking a pitstop amid a race while your car is rusted, scratched, dented, and missing two tires and getting everything fixed.

Which is an awful idea if you're in a race.


Not if everyone else's car is in a similar condition. ;)
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:33 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Which is an awful idea if you're in a race.


Not if everyone else's car is in a similar condition. ;)

Ever seen a car restoration's length?
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