Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Northern Davincia]

Welcome to the museum of wrong opinions.

What?

Limiting/shrinking/decreasing the government really isn't the same thing as abolishing it.

Libertarianism and abolition of government are closely linked ideas.

[Xerographica]

Limiting/shrinking/decreasing the government really isn't the same thing as abolishing it.

Libertarianism and abolition of government are closely linked ideas.

If you want to see the scope of government as a continuum, then liberalism and libertarianism are also closely linked ideas. But I'm sure that you appreciate that liberals aren't libertarians.

[Northern Davincia]

Libertarianism and abolition of government are closely linked ideas.

If you want to see the scope of government as a continuum, then liberalism and libertarianism are also closely linked ideas. But I'm sure that you appreciate that liberals aren't libertarians.

Many libertarians are not averse to being called classical liberals.

[Torrocca]

Anarcho-capitalists are not libertarians.

How so?

I'd wager it's because they're basically feudalists, but for corporations instead of royalty. Feudalists without crowns if you will.

[Darussalam]

NOT without crowns

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Libertarianism and abolition of government are closely linked ideas.

If you want to see the scope of government as a continuum, then liberalism and libertarianism are also closely linked ideas. But I'm sure that you appreciate that liberals aren't libertarians.

Right-libertarianism is a form of liberalism.

[Xerographica]

If you want to see the scope of government as a continuum, then liberalism and libertarianism are also closely linked ideas. But I'm sure that you appreciate that liberals aren't libertarians.

Many libertarians are not averse to being called classical liberals.

Right, but I wasn't referring to classical liberals. I was referring to the people to the left of libertarians.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

How so?

I'd wager it's because they're basically feudalists, but for corporations instead of royalty. Feudalists without crowns if you will.

no u :^)

[Torrocca]

Many libertarians are not averse to being called classical liberals.

Right, but I wasn't referring to classical liberals. I was referring to the people to the left of libertarians.

Left-Libertarians are the OG Libertarians. Right-"""Libertarianism""" is a perversion of it.

[Northern Davincia]

Right, but I wasn't referring to classical liberals. I was referring to the people to the left of libertarians.

Left-Libertarians are the OG Libertarians. Right-"""Libertarianism""" is a perversion of it.

Need we dive into that debate again?

[Xerographica]

Right, but I wasn't referring to classical liberals. I was referring to the people to the left of libertarians.

Left-Libertarians are the OG Libertarians. Right-"""Libertarianism""" is a perversion of it.

Limited government libertarian only became a thing because the leftists stole the word "liberal". Stealing words is theft.

[Torrocca]

Left-Libertarians are the OG Libertarians. Right-"""Libertarianism""" is a perversion of it.

Need we dive into that debate again?

Nah. It's already proven :^)

Left-Libertarians are the OG Libertarians. Right-"""Libertarianism""" is a perversion of it.

Limited government libertarian only became a thing because the leftists stole the word "liberal". Stealing words is theft.

Leftists didn't steal the word Liberal. It was a bourgeois word through-and-through. Libertarian was a Leftist word, though.

I'd wager it's because they're basically feudalists, but for corporations instead of royalty. Feudalists without crowns if you will.

no u :^)

Xeno, look into your heart, you know this to be true!

[Martune]

Left-Libertarians are the OG Libertarians. Right-"""Libertarianism""" is a perversion of it.

Need we dive into that debate again?

might just have to

[Xerographica]

Leftists didn't steal the word Liberal. It was a bourgeois word through-and-through. Libertarian was a Leftist word, though.

At least here in America there's a huge difference between modern liberals and classical liberals.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Leftists didn't steal the word Liberal. It was a bourgeois word through-and-through. Libertarian was a Leftist word, though.

At least here in America there's a huge difference between modern liberals and classical liberals.

Because words change meaning over time.

[Torrocca]

At least here in America there's a huge difference between modern liberals and classical liberals.

Because words change meaning over time.

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because words change meaning over time.

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

Yeah, they want to associate with FDR. So much better.

[Martune]

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

Yeah, they want to associate with FDR. So much better.

B-but he did the thing that time

[Frievolk]

Anarcho-capitalists are not libertarians.

I mean, if you go by the non-American definition, then yes. probably. But the American Definition of Libertarianism is built on Anarcho Capitalism.
I had heard people say "Anarcho-Capitalism isn't anarchism" (and they would be 100% right), but not "is not libertarianism...

[Northern Davincia]

Because words change meaning over time.

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

There's a very large number of things wrong with that statement.

[Torrocca]

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

Yeah, they want to associate with FDR. So much better.

*Interns Japanese-Americans*

"wOw, what an American hero!"

[Torrocca]

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

There's a very large number of things wrong with that statement.

Nah.

[Frievolk]

Also because modern Liberals kinda don't wanna be associated with slave-owning, genocidal psychopaths :V

There's a very large number of things wrong with that statement.

The only wrong part in that statement is the "kinda" part.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah, they want to associate with FDR. So much better.

*Interns Japanese-Americans*

"wOw, what an American hero!"

>interns people based on their race
>uses the government to harass political opponents
>ruins the economy and causes a recession during the depression lmao
>tries to tax civil rights out of existence
>refuses to make lynching a federal crime
>Jesse Owens felt more insulted by FDR than Hitler

"he's such a progressive hero guis!"

[Northern Davincia]

There's a very large number of things wrong with that statement.

Nah.

>slave-owning: yes, because surely no classical liberal ever denounced slavery or even freed their slaves
>genocidal: those evil pathogens!
>psychopaths: now you're just being silly