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by New haven america » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:24 am
by Kedri » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:08 am
Idzequitch wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So... what is the libertarian belief on “unity”? The Left talks “left unity” and the Right talks “right unity”, but where do you, as mostly right-libertarians, see potential allies?
Unity? Psshh. We prefer to antagonize one another with purity tests. You don't pass the test, you don't get in the club. The club also only has like 17 people in it because the test is so rigorous. This Also helps explain why libertarianism never really manages to take off in America.
I only consider myself a libertarian sympathizer myself, as I'm one of the sort that doesn't pass the purity tests.
by Picairn » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:25 am
Kedri wrote:Same here, but it's mainly because of my stance on borders and I do think there are instances where capital punishment is appropriate, albeit I support reforming the system so that only particularly heinous and unrepentant criminals get it if there is sufficient evidence, and it should be a last resort.
I'm not a hawk when it comes to foreign policy, but I'm not a non-interventionist either. I think there are times where it is appropriate or just to intervene (if some dictator is practicing genocide, for example.) Serve justice, but don't necessarily police the world.
Those issues are the main reasons why I consider myself a conservative rather than a libertarian.
by Elwher » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:13 am
Kedri wrote:So, uhhh... What are y'all's thoughts on open borders?
by Kowani » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:09 am
Elwher wrote:Kedri wrote:So, uhhh... What are y'all's thoughts on open borders?
If a true libertarian state were to exist, where people rise and fall on their own merits without government handouts, then I would support open borders. You cannot have welfare and open borders without bankrupting the state, and in turn, the taxpayers.
by Nuroblav » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:45 am
Kedri wrote:So, uhhh... What are y'all's thoughts on open borders?
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So... what is the libertarian belief on “unity”? The Left talks “left unity” and the Right talks “right unity”, but where do you, as mostly right-libertarians, see potential allies?
by Proctopeo » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:33 am
Kedri wrote:So, uhhh... What are y'all's thoughts on open borders?
by Taihei Tengoku » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:39 am
by Elwher » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:53 am
Kowani wrote:Elwher wrote:
If a true libertarian state were to exist, where people rise and fall on their own merits without government handouts, then I would support open borders. You cannot have welfare and open borders without bankrupting the state, and in turn, the taxpayers.
You…realize states can’t go bankrupt in the modern day, right? Assuming a fiat currency that isn’t tied to anything, and that any debt owned by that state is denominated in its own currency, a state is about as likely to go bankrupt as the Earth is to fall out of its orbit.
by Prizea » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:37 pm
Kowani wrote:Elwher wrote:
If a true libertarian state were to exist, where people rise and fall on their own merits without government handouts, then I would support open borders. You cannot have welfare and open borders without bankrupting the state, and in turn, the taxpayers.
You…realize states can’t go bankrupt in the modern day, right? Assuming a fiat currency that isn’t tied to anything, and that any debt owned by that state is denominated in its own currency, a state is about as likely to go bankrupt as the Earth is to fall out of its orbit.
by Kowani » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:27 pm
Elwher wrote:Kowani wrote:You…realize states can’t go bankrupt in the modern day, right? Assuming a fiat currency that isn’t tied to anything, and that any debt owned by that state is denominated in its own currency, a state is about as likely to go bankrupt as the Earth is to fall out of its orbit.
Not bankrupt in a legal sense, I agree that is not possible; but bankrupt as in not being able to maintain necessary services and a worthless currency.
Prizea wrote:Kowani wrote:You…realize states can’t go bankrupt in the modern day, right? Assuming a fiat currency that isn’t tied to anything, and that any debt owned by that state is denominated in its own currency, a state is about as likely to go bankrupt as the Earth is to fall out of its orbit.
Except the second assumption isn’t always as true as you make it out to be: a lot of developing and smaller countries will have at least some debt denominated in foreign currencies if they are trying to seek outside capital investment (since their internal capital markets probably aren’t liquid or deep enough to satisfy all their requirements). As such, they absolutely could go bankrupt if they let those debts go too large or their internal currency becomes too worthless.
And that’s completely ignoring all the countries that don’t have full sovereignty over the currency they use, either due to monetary unions or because of an inability to maintain their own currency, any of which could also go bankrupt if their debts got too large.
by Prizea » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:00 am
Kowani wrote:Prizea wrote:
Except the second assumption isn’t always as true as you make it out to be: a lot of developing and smaller countries will have at least some debt denominated in foreign currencies if they are trying to seek outside capital investment (since their internal capital markets probably aren’t liquid or deep enough to satisfy all their requirements). As such, they absolutely could go bankrupt if they let those debts go too large or their internal currency becomes too worthless.
Yes, thank you for agreeing with me.
Kowani wrote:You…realize states can’t go bankrupt in the modern day, right?
by Northern Davincia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:21 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:35 am
Northern Davincia wrote:Much to my delight, the Atlas Shrugged film is free on YouTube.
by Northern Davincia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:42 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:19 am
by Northern Davincia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:51 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:When did you read the book?
I attempted to over a decade ago when I was in high school during a more edgier period in my life. Reading summaries of it later on in life told me the rest of what I needed to know about it, which is a bunch of rich people fucking off from a hilariously dystopian to Rich People Utopia like a bunch of babies only to come back later on to commit terrorism and to give long winded multi-hour speeches about how awesome they are and how awesome it is to be narcissistic, sociopathic and rich. It's such a long, boring and stupid book with insufferable and unlikable characters with a shitty message and Ayn Rand is a war criminal for writing such a travesty of literature and how anyone can make it through reading it with their mind intact and take anything good from it is beyond me.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Taihei Tengoku » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:34 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:When did you read the book?
I attempted to over a decade ago when I was in high school during a more edgier period in my life. Reading summaries of it later on in life told me the rest of what I needed to know about it, which is a bunch of rich people fucking off from a hilariously dystopian to Rich People Utopia like a bunch of babies only to come back later on to commit terrorism and to give long winded multi-hour speeches about how awesome they are and how awesome it is to be narcissistic, sociopathic and rich. It's such a long, boring and stupid book with insufferable and unlikable characters with a shitty message and Ayn Rand is a war criminal for writing such a travesty of literature and how anyone can make it through reading it with their mind intact and take anything good from it is beyond me.
by Picairn » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:57 pm
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ayn Rand is a war criminal
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:47 am
Taihei Tengoku wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I attempted to over a decade ago when I was in high school during a more edgier period in my life. Reading summaries of it later on in life told me the rest of what I needed to know about it, which is a bunch of rich people fucking off from a hilariously dystopian to Rich People Utopia like a bunch of babies only to come back later on to commit terrorism and to give long winded multi-hour speeches about how awesome they are and how awesome it is to be narcissistic, sociopathic and rich. It's such a long, boring and stupid book with insufferable and unlikable characters with a shitty message and Ayn Rand is a war criminal for writing such a travesty of literature and how anyone can make it through reading it with their mind intact and take anything good from it is beyond me.
You're mad because she took the Soviet diction and turned it against Sovietism
by The Reformed American Republic » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:09 am
by Elwher » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:10 am
The Liberated Territories wrote:Taihei Tengoku wrote:You're mad because she took the Soviet diction and turned it against Sovietism
Objectivism is essentially capitalist dialectics. It is at its core, very Russian.
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:37 pm
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Objectivism at least in the economic sphere is an establishment ideology. The Republican party promotes that book constantly and they try to live by it. In their doctrine of Fusionism they mix Rand type economics with strong social conservatism.
by Picairn » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:43 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Eh no not really, the establishment philosophy is solidly keynesian. Its just the conservatives prefer war spending and the liberals welfare spending.
by Taihei Tengoku » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:31 pm
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