Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Rojava Free State]

The true decision makers honestly are big banks, corporations and the military industry. The Congress and president are all pawns

God I wish this were the case

It really is though. Just check out who the biggest lobbies are in DC.

[The Liberated Territories]

Jacob Hornberger won the Iowa Libertarian Primary.

Sauce.

So it seems like Mr. Supreme is really only popular in New Hampshire.

[Albrenia]

Jacob Hornberger won the Iowa Libertarian Primary.

Sauce.

So it seems like Mr. Supreme is really only popular in New Hampshire.

One day Mr. Supreme and Lord Buckethead will receive the votes they deserve, but it is not this day.

[Darussalam]

God I wish this were the case

It really is though. Just check out who the biggest lobbies are in DC.

"The average big company has only 3.4 lobbyists in Washington, and for medium-size companies that number is only 1.42. For major companies, the average is 13.9, and the vast majority of companies spend less than $250,000 a year on lobbying. Furthermore, a systematic study shows that business lobbying does not increase the chance of favorable legislation being passed for that business, nor do those businesses receive more government contracts; contributions to political action committees are ineffective too."

"The numbers instead indicate that lobbying hurts the underlying capital values of corporations."

[Militant Costco]

It really is though. Just check out who the biggest lobbies are in DC.

"The average big company has only 3.4 lobbyists in Washington, and for medium-size companies that number is only 1.42. For major companies, the average is 13.9, and the vast majority of companies spend less than $250,000 a year on lobbying. Furthermore, a systematic study shows that business lobbying does not increase the chance of favorable legislation being passed for that business, nor do those businesses receive more government contracts; contributions to political action committees are ineffective too."

"The numbers instead indicate that lobbying hurts the underlying capital values of corporations."

A 2009 study found that lobbying brought a return on investment of as much as 22,000% in some cases.

Major American corporations spent $345 million lobbying for just three pro-immigration bills between 2006 and 2008.

One study found that the actual number of firms which do lobbying regularly is fewer than 300, and that the percent of firms engaged in lobbying was 10% from 1998 to 2006.

Wall Street lobbyists and the financial industry spent upwards of $100 million in one year to "court regulators and lawmakers", particularly since they were "finalizing new regulations for lending, trading and debit card fees."

[The Liberated Territories]

Jacob Hornberger won the Iowa Libertarian Primary.

Sauce.

So it seems like Mr. Supreme is really only popular in New Hampshire.

One day Mr. Supreme and Lord Buckethead will receive the votes they deserve, but it is not this day.

I am slowly starting to believe that Mr. Supreme has it right. The whole political arena is a circus, from the two party duopoly whose main difference is how they want to destroy your freedoms. We can put on our suits and ties, act serious, and gain a whopping...3.2%. Or, we can showcase the system for what it is using humor and potentially gain far more traction

[Sundiata]

Govern with an even hand, like cooking a small fish.

Sundiata

[Kowani]

It really is though. Just check out who the biggest lobbies are in DC.

"The average big company has only 3.4 lobbyists in Washington, and for medium-size companies that number is only 1.42. For major companies, the average is 13.9, and the vast majority of companies spend less than $250,000 a year on lobbying. Furthermore, a systematic study shows that business lobbying does not increase the chance of favorable legislation being passed for that business, nor do those businesses receive more government contracts; contributions to political action committees are ineffective too."

"The numbers instead indicate that lobbying hurts the underlying capital values of corporations."

Meanwhile, in reality...

[Phoenicaea]

i m faithful to traditional believe political arena is possibly true as long as individual matters, and given he has got substantial chances.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

One day Mr. Supreme and Lord Buckethead will receive the votes they deserve, but it is not this day.

I am slowly starting to believe that Mr. Supreme has it right. The whole political arena is a circus, from the two party duopoly whose main difference is how they want to destroy your freedoms. We can put on our suits and ties, act serious, and gain a whopping...3.2%. Or, we can showcase the system for what it is using humor and potentially gain far more traction

True, that. Vermin's wacky antics will undoubtedly attract huge amounts of attention to libertarianism if he gets the nomination.

Also, if https://twitter.com/VerminSupreme is his real Twitter then he's actually super based.

[Victoriala II]

if vermin loses the nomination imma fuckin freak

[Rojava Free State]

if vermin loses the nomination imma fuckin freak

Me: *on a one man looting and riot spree after vermin loses*

Kid: Mommy what's he doing?

Mom: no Timmy don't look!

[The Liberated Territories]

if vermin loses the nomination imma fuckin freak

The Libertarian National Committee prefers putting up Republicans and Democratic rejects. I wouldn't be surprised if Lincoln Chaffee wins it. As much as I like Vermin, he doesn't have a chance.

[Albrenia]

This is an outrage.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Imagine thinking US politics is based around "parties" and not demographic warfare

[Imperial Joseon]

This is an outrage.

Yes, indeed, America and libertarianism don't go together as of now.

[Palins]

if vermin loses the nomination imma fuckin freak

As intriguing as Vermin Supreme being on the ballot would be to me, I think I'd rather see Adam Kokesh get the nomination so that splitting the US gets discussed more, even though I would only split it into several region-based nations, not 50 individual state-based nations.

[Zurkerx]

if vermin loses the nomination imma fuckin freak

As intriguing as Vermin Supreme being on the ballot would be to me, I think I'd rather see Adam Kokesh get the nomination so that splitting the US gets discussed more, even though I would only split it into several region-based nations, not 50 individual state-based nations.

Adam Kokesh? Throws up in mouth.

I'm honestly disappointed in the Libertarian Party: this is the best they can do?

[Phoenicaea]

^states, with senators each, and counties, and localism for little states is your american way, given by founders, to preserve democracy.

namely, democracy is rule of demos, read county or outskirt. nothing resembles closer to ancient ethos, for me, than electoral colleges and such.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Imagine thinking US politics is based around "parties" and not demographic warfare

Demographic Warfare? I half expect you to say something racist, but the other half is giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Imagine thinking US politics is based around "parties" and not demographic warfare

Demographic Warfare? I half expect you to say something racist, but the other half is giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Men compete for power within tribes and tribes compete for power within the world.

[The Liberated Territories]

Demographic Warfare? I half expect you to say something racist, but the other half is giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Men compete for power within tribes and tribes compete for power within the world.

Very much this. Our monkey brains have not adjusted to a complex civilization requiring international cooperation, instead we are inclined to form into tribes for everything under the sun. Identity politics in particular is a recent manifestation of this tribal thinking.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Imagine thinking US politics is based around "parties" and not demographic warfare

I thought of it as demographic warfare waged by parties to gain or keep power. Ex. Democrats supporting immigration for more votes, Republicans opposing immigration to keep potential enemy voters out.

[Phoenicaea]

^_Liber Americae, i find your posts agreeable and with issues i often see the same. yet, here make a further step. ethnicities have preference for parties.

pillage citizenship is an issue for some of immigrants, same as familist bribery is for some of good parentage. yet, ‘power’ does not exist. there’s no tribes.

[Northern Davincia]

Imagine thinking US politics is based around "parties" and not demographic warfare

I thought of it as demographic warfare waged by parties to gain or keep power. Ex. Democrats supporting immigration for more votes, Republicans opposing immigration to keep potential enemy voters out.

Pretty much.