Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes.



Not a chance, unless he goes on about how children should be able to buy heroin and all other sorts of nonsense there's a not insignificant part of the party that'll be out for his blood.



Probably not. He doesn't have any real star power.

You don't see him winning the nomination? That's rather interesting. Who do you think would then?

Somebody crazy again. Johnson in 2016 was the best chance to get 5% and the party still couldn't.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You don't see him winning the nomination? That's rather interesting. Who do you think would then?

Somebody crazy again. Johnson in 2016 was the best chance to get 5% and the party still couldn't.

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

[Kowani]

Somebody crazy again. Johnson in 2016 was the best chance to get 5% and the party still couldn't.

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Get rid of the Electoral College!

[Elwher]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Get rid of the Electoral College!

And just how do you intend to get the votes for the amendment to do that?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Somebody crazy again. Johnson in 2016 was the best chance to get 5% and the party still couldn't.

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Also partly due to third parties usually being made up of the nuttiest people in the electorate.

[Idzequitch]

So, Representative Justin Amash has left the Republican Party

As you can imagine, the GOP ain't going to miss him. However, this likely means he's going to aim for the Libertarian Nomination, which more likely than not, he'll win it since his chances of winning his seat seem to have diminished in this one poll.

So, my questions to everyone:

Do you think he'll seek the nomination?
Do you think he can win the nomination?
Do you think he can get Libertarians over the 5% mark?

A true patriot makes a patriotic decision and goes independent on Independence Day. Bravo, sir.

Will he seek the nomination? Maybe. I'm not really sure what other road his political career can take now. He did the right thing. But perhaps not the smart thing. He's kinda sabotaged himself, really.

Will he get the nomination? I'm sure some purists will throw a fit (it's basocally tradition at this point) but I think he'd have an okay shot at it.

5%? Nah. If the LP couldn't do that against two extremely unpopular opponents in '16, then frankly I don't think they ever can. Not in this hyper-partisan political climate.

[Idzequitch]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Also partly due to third parties usually being made up of the nuttiest people in the electorate.

And looking at the guy the Republicans ran, that's really, really saying something.

[Elwher]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Also partly due to third parties usually being made up of the nuttiest people in the electorate.

Considering what is considered normal among the electorate, I thank you for the compliment.

[EastKekistan]

Also partly due to third parties usually being made up of the nuttiest people in the electorate.

And looking at the guy the Republicans ran, that's really, really saying something.

A two-party system is flawed.

[Elwher]

And looking at the guy the Republicans ran, that's really, really saying something.

A two-party system is flawed.

That depends. One party on Friday and another on Saturday seems about right to me.

[EastKekistan]

A two-party system is flawed.

That depends. One party on Friday and another on Saturday seems about right to me.

LOL right.

[Northern Davincia]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Get rid of the Electoral College!

Nah.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Get rid of the Electoral College!

While I am no fan of the Electoral College, I don't think it is even close to being the main problem here. The main problems are our First Past The Post system, the high standards that one must achieve as a third party to be on the main debates, plus the wasted vote myth. In addition, we have a duopoly that unites to keep other political parties down.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Also partly due to third parties usually being made up of the nuttiest people in the electorate.

It depends on what party you look at. Also, there are nuts who are mainstream. See Donald Trump.

[Chernoslavia]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Get rid of the Electoral College!

Haha...no.

[Duvniask]

Get rid of the Electoral College!

Haha...no.

Haha...yes.

Your move, chief.

[The Liberated Territories]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Also partly due to third parties usually being made up of the nuttiest people in the electorate.

The third largest party will always be a nut magnet. The Republican and Democratic Party rejects flock to the Libertarian Party because of its status of attracting misfits (like McAfee).

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Partly due to discrimination against third parties by our political system.

Get rid of the Electoral College!

Why tho?

[Kowani]

Get rid of the Electoral College!

Why tho?

‘Cause it sucks.

[Martune]

Why tho?

‘Cause it sucks.

I agree with reforms on it but I’m not sure about tossing it

[Kowani]

‘Cause it sucks.

I agree with reforms on it but I’m not sure about tossing it

Reform first, remove later.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Why tho?

‘Cause it sucks.

Why does it suck?

[Kowani]

‘Cause it sucks.

Why does it suck?

1. It doesn’t actually give power to small states, rather, a small group of “swing states,” because everyone else is safe red or safe blue bar extraordinary circumstances.
2. It contributes to the 2 party system.
3. It contributes to polarization.
4. Everyone in a state that’s safe for one side or another might as well not vote at all, for all the impact it has.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Why does it suck?

1. It doesn’t actually give power to small states, rather, a small group of “swing states,” because everyone else is safe red or safe blue bar extraordinary circumstances.
2. It contributes to the 2 party system.
3. It contributes to polarization.
4. Everyone in a state that’s safe for one side or another might as well not vote at all, for all the impact it has.

Those are very good points. I'm convinced.

[Kowani]

1. It doesn’t actually give power to small states, rather, a small group of “swing states,” because everyone else is safe red or safe blue bar extraordinary circumstances.
2. It contributes to the 2 party system.
3. It contributes to polarization.
4. Everyone in a state that’s safe for one side or another might as well not vote at all, for all the impact it has.

Those are very good points. I'm convinced.

…Damn, I didn’t expect that to work.
But. I’m glad to see that you’re consistent with your ideology.