Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Adad Civilization]

You're probably thinking of the alt-right influenced faction of Hoppean Ancaps. Those are the types that unironically support Pinochet, and other dictators. Most libertarians on the other hand don't support him.

The other right-wing Libertarians should oust those Pinochet-lovers out of their camp tbqh.

Believe me, we're trying.

While most standard libertarians that do it are just shitposting (I've shitposted like that before, and I don't support dictators), I don't think that's what the alt-right Ancaps are simply doing though.

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I've actually seen some Ancoms do that to be honest. Not saying they all do, but I've even seen such left-wing "anarchists" even defend North Korea.

We'll have to put them next to the Libertarians who worship Pinochet then

Helicopters and Gulags, that can only end so well.

*PTSD of that one COD mission*

[Torrocca]

So, based on the current Libertarian candidates in the race for 2020, I would say with a big sigh that it's McAfee with the best chances. I have my fingers crossed that Justin Amash and or Bill Weld run to at least have someone with some experience.

John "McMurdering and Possibly McRaping" McAfee is the best chance?

RIP.

The other right-wing Libertarians should oust those Pinochet-lovers out of their camp tbqh.

That's authoritarian n00b

No wonder everyone else sees right-Libertarianism as a joke then, if you can't even get rid of actual statist authoritarians within your ranks :^)

The other right-wing Libertarians should oust those Pinochet-lovers out of their camp tbqh.

Believe me, we're trying.

How hard is it to get rid of authoritarians within an ideological group that purports itself to be all about the exact opposite of that? Us leftists don't have that issue.

[Elwher]

So, based on the current Libertarian candidates in the race for 2020, I would say with a big sigh that it's McAfee with the best chances. I have my fingers crossed that Justin Amash and or Bill Weld run to at least have someone with some experience.

I hope Larry Sharpe can be convinced to take a run at it.

[Adad Civilization]

How hard is it to get rid of authoritarians within an ideological group that purports itself to be all about the exact opposite of that? Us leftists don't have that issue.

Except for the bajillions of tankers that exist/edgy teens who think Stalin did nothing wrong and know nothing about how politics/economics work obviously

[Proctopeo]

That's authoritarian n00b

No wonder everyone else sees right-Libertarianism as a joke then, if you can't even get rid of actual statist authoritarians within your ranks :^)

He who fights monsters, friendo

[Zurkerx]

So, based on the current Libertarian candidates in the race for 2020, I would say with a big sigh that it's McAfee with the best chances. I have my fingers crossed that Justin Amash and or Bill Weld run to at least have someone with some experience.

John "McMurdering and Possibly McRaping" McAfee is the best chance?

RIP.

At this current time, yes; it could honestly be worst.

So, based on the current Libertarian candidates in the race for 2020, I would say with a big sigh that it's McAfee with the best chances. I have my fingers crossed that Justin Amash and or Bill Weld run to at least have someone with some experience.

I hope Larry Sharpe can be convinced to take a run at it.

One can hope but it seems like a dim chance.

[Torrocca]

How hard is it to get rid of authoritarians within an ideological group that purports itself to be all about the exact opposite of that? Us leftists don't have that issue.

Except for the bajillions of tankers that exist/edgy teens who think Stalin did nothing wrong and know nothing about how politics/economics work obviously

It's pretty clear I'm talking about the Libertarian Left from the given context clues

No wonder everyone else sees right-Libertarianism as a joke then, if you can't even get rid of actual statist authoritarians within your ranks :^)

He who fights monsters, friendo

You can fight monsters without becoming one yourself.

git gud

John "McMurdering and Possibly McRaping" McAfee is the best chance?

RIP.

At this current time, yes; it could honestly be worst.

I wonder if he'll get booed at a party convention for talking about drivers licenses or not selling drugs to kids.

[Adad Civilization]

Except for the bajillions of tankers that exist/edgy teens who think Stalin did nothing wrong and know nothing about how politics/economics work obviously

It's pretty clear I'm talking about the Libertarian Left from the given context clues

Well, it is pretty clear that neither Right-Libs or Left-Libs like to acknowledge the existence of Auth-Left/Right fetishists within their ranks.

So in the same sense, Tankies are not acknowledged as Left-Libs. Neither should be Pinochet loving, helicopter throwing, right-auths

[Torrocca]

It's pretty clear I'm talking about the Libertarian Left from the given context clues

Well, it is pretty clear that neither Right-Libs or Left-Libs like to acknowledge the existence of Auth-Left/Right fetishists within their ranks.

So in the same sense, Tankies are not acknowledged as Left-Libs. Neither should be Pinochet loving, helicopter throwing, right-auths

That's because they're not Left-Libs at all.

[Adad Civilization]

Well, it is pretty clear that neither Right-Libs or Left-Libs like to acknowledge the existence of Auth-Left/Right fetishists within their ranks.

So in the same sense, Tankies are not acknowledged as Left-Libs. Neither should be Pinochet loving, helicopter throwing, right-auths

That's because they're not Left-Libs at all.

Exactly

[LiberNovusAmericae]

How hard is it to get rid of authoritarians within an ideological group that purports itself to be all about the exact opposite of that? Us leftists don't have that issue.

I met an "anarcho"-communist on this site that supports Maduro, so don't tell me that you don't have an authoritarian problem. There are also others on various "anti-authoritarian" socialist websites.

[Torrocca]

How hard is it to get rid of authoritarians within an ideological group that purports itself to be all about the exact opposite of that? Us leftists don't have that issue.

I met an "anarcho"-communist on this site that supports Maduro, so don't tell me that you don't have an authoritarian problem. There are also others on various "anti-authoritarian" socialist websites.

We have way less of a problem of it than you lot do.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I met an "anarcho"-communist on this site that supports Maduro, so don't tell me that you don't have an authoritarian problem. There are also others on various "anti-authoritarian" socialist websites.

We have way less of a problem of it than you lot do.

Not really. I have to literally search for Pinochet-loving libertarians, as they usually restrict themselves to their own fringe websites, while I just have to go to a mainstream socialist forum to see Maduro apologetics or even support of the more hardcore dictators.

[Adad Civilization]

We have way less of a problem of it than you lot do.

Not really. I have to literally search for Pinochet-loving libertarians, as they usually restrict themselves to their own fringe websites, while I just have to go to a mainstream socialist forum to see Maduro apologetics.

In Torra's defense, Socialist is a broad stroke. Just like capitalist, right, left

It can describe anyone from Ancoms to Orwellian Nightmares.

[Torrocca]

We have way less of a problem of it than you lot do.

Not really. I have to literally search for Pinochet-loving libertarians, as they usually restrict themselves to their own fringe websites, while I just have to go to a mainstream socialist forum to see Maduro apologetics or even support of the more hardcore dictators.

You do realize the term "Socialist" covers almost the entirety of two whole quadrants on the political compass, right?

[Point Blob]

I was wondering what was going on in this thread.

A bunch of right-wing and left-wing collectivists arguing over debating who is the most authoritarian?

So who is it? Which of your collective political identities is more of the thing you both dislike (to an extent)?

[Adad Civilization]

I was wondering what was going on in this thread.

A bunch of right-wing and left-wing collectivists arguing over debating who is the most authoritarian?

So who is it? Which of your collective political identities is more of the thing you both dislike?

Shush Centrist

/s

[Elwher]

I was wondering what was going on in this thread.

A bunch of right-wing and left-wing collectivists arguing over debating who is the most authoritarian?

So who is it? Which of your collective political identities is more of the thing you both dislike (to an extent)?

Yep. Yet again, a switch from issue based debate to ideological purity. I am reminded of the radical movement in the 60's, where they spent more time condemning Trotskyites and Maoists than battling the establishment. (And yes, I am enough of an old dinosaur to actually remember that time)

[Frievolk]

The other right-wing Libertarians should oust those Pinochet-lovers out of their camp tbqh.

That's authoritarian n00b

So, based on the current Libertarian candidates in the race for 2020, I would say with a big sigh that it's McAfee with the best chances. I have my fingers crossed that Justin Amash and or Bill Weld run to at least have someone with some experience.

McAfee should become President tbh

Nothing says authoritarian like voluntary refusal to associate with individuals not aligning with your political ideals, eh?

[Torrocca]

That's authoritarian n00b


McAfee should become President tbh

Nothing says authoritarian like voluntary refusal to associate with individuals not aligning with your political ideals, eh?

The real authoritarianism is acting in your and your ideology's self-interest and survival by preventing outside influences - like authoritarians draped in liberty's cloth - from undermining what you believe in, duh!

[Great Minarchistan]

Nothing says authoritarian like voluntary refusal to associate with individuals not aligning with your political ideals, eh?

The real authoritarianism is acting in your and your ideology's self-interest and survival by preventing outside influences - like authoritarians draped in liberty's cloth - from undermining what you believe in, duh!

ok tankie travested as self-proclaimed "real libertarian"

[Torrocca]

The real authoritarianism is acting in your and your ideology's self-interest and survival by preventing outside influences - like authoritarians draped in liberty's cloth - from undermining what you believe in, duh!

ok tankie travested as self-proclaimed "real libertarian"

This is hilarious coming from someone who's upholding Bolsonaro of all fucking people as the shining example which all Libertarianism should follow.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Not really. I have to literally search for Pinochet-loving libertarians, as they usually restrict themselves to their own fringe websites, while I just have to go to a mainstream socialist forum to see Maduro apologetics or even support of the more hardcore dictators.

You do realize the term "Socialist" covers almost the entirety of two whole quadrants on the political compass, right?

There does appear to be "anti-authoritarian" leftists who support Venezuela. and they're going after the ones that don't. The "anti-authoritarian" left does have a problem, just like we right-libertarians have a problem. I don't see how our problem is greater than yours.

[North Saitama]

ok tankie travested as self-proclaimed "real libertarian"

This is hilarious coming from someone who's upholding Bolsonaro of all fucking people as the shining example which all Libertarianism should follow.

Honestly, though, you have not answered to the tankies, and are rather hypocritical about rejecting tankies as "not real left-libertarians", while portraying right-libertarians as masquerading authoritarians for doing the exact same thing about right-auths.

[Torrocca]

This is hilarious coming from someone who's upholding Bolsonaro of all fucking people as the shining example which all Libertarianism should follow.

Honestly, though, you have not answered to the tankies, and are rather hypocritical about rejecting tankies as "not real left-libertarians", while portraying right-libertarians as masquerading authoritarians for doing the exact same thing about right-auths.

There's also the fact that Capitalist hierarchies are naturally authoritarian, thus making right-Libertarians authoritarian no matter what, unless they reject those hierarchies as well.