Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[The Liberated Territories]

Libertarian faith? Is this a religion?

Haven't you joined the Church of Ayn Rand (pbuh) yet?

[The South Falls]

Libertarian faith? Is this a religion?

Haven't you joined the Church of Ayn Rand (pbuh) yet?

I'm still in the church of Jesus Christ. It's a little better.

[Telconi]

You jest but this is unironically a good synopsis of Marxist thought.

TIL teethbrushes = the means of production and a society with money, a state, and a stratified, hierarchical class-system

They aren't fundamentally different, my toothbrush is as much my toothbrush as my 20,000 square foot shop building and various factory machines are mine.

[The Liberated Territories]

Haven't you joined the Church of Ayn Rand (pbuh) yet?

I'm still in the church of Jesus Christ. It's a little better.

Jesus was a red. He sacrifices himself, without anyone else's consent, and then like a true extortionist demands you to pay him back because you "owe" him.

Also hail satan

[Telconi]

I'm still in the church of Jesus Christ. It's a little better.

Jesus was a red. He sacrifices himself, without anyone else's consent, and then like a true extortionist demands you to pay him back because you "owe" him.

Also hail satan

Quite the contrary, Jesus is an eminent capitalist. He has a product that he offers to sell you for the low, low, price of faith and atonement. And you're free to buy it, or not.

[Hammer Britannia]

I'm still in the church of Jesus Christ. It's a little better.

Jesus was a red. He sacrifices himself, without anyone else's consent, and then like a true extortionist demands you to pay him back because you "owe" him.

That's just the government

Muhammad, on the other hand, steals your shit and then demands more.

[The New United States]

Libertarian faith? Is this a religion?

Haven't you joined the Church of Ayn Rand (pbuh) yet?

Yo, pretty sure that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormonism) is the libertarian faith.

>LDS scripture explicitly says the Constitution was inspired by God (D&C 101:80)
>LDS scripture explicitly says that government exists to protect life, liberty, and property (D&C 134:1-2)
>LDS leaders have been openly libertarian and were among the founding members of FEE (Ezra Taft Benson and J Reuben Clark, specifically)
>LDS leaders taught that communism was of the Devil

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Jesus was a red. He sacrifices himself, without anyone else's consent, and then like a true extortionist demands you to pay him back because you "owe" him.

That's just the government

Muhammad, on the other hand, steals your shit and then demands more.

Didn't he also say words to the effect of "prices rise and fall when God wills them to"?

[Autarkheia]

Classical liberalism is the copout word for "I have no consistent principles whatsoever.
" or "I use this word to make myself look smart." Essentially Sargon and the rest of the skeptics fall into this camp.

Historically liberals were quite diverse and there was a libertarian attempt to reclaim it after progressives stopped using it. I would say neither camp squarely fits in, as the former was influenced by market anarchism and classical US conservatism and the latter by fabianism and social democracy.

"Classical liberal" is now code for "I'm a conservative but I want to LARP as a centrist because that makes me appear more enlightened".

On a side note, it's a bit weird you describe yourself as a "liberalist" when that's a term Sargon tried to reclaim/make up for his own ideology. Unless it has some other, even more obscure meaning.

Libertarian faith? Is this a religion?

Many libertarians adopt very radical beliefs once they discover it, much like people do with religion. This is called the zeal of the convert.

[Hammer Britannia]

Classical liberalism is the copout word for "I have no consistent principles whatsoever.
" or "I use this word to make myself look smart." Essentially Sargon and the rest of the skeptics fall into this camp.

Historically liberals were quite diverse and there was a libertarian attempt to reclaim it after progressives stopped using it. I would say neither camp squarely fits in, as the former was influenced by market anarchism and classical US conservatism and the latter by fabianism and social democracy.

"Classical liberal" is now code for "I'm a conservative but I want to LARP as a centrist person who actually likes freedom because that makes me appear more enlightened".

ftfy

Many libertarians adopt very radical beliefs once they discover it, much like people do with religion. This is called the zeal of the convert.

That's every ideology though.

[Autarkheia]

"Classical liberal" is now code for "I'm a conservative but I want to LARP as a centrist person who actually likes freedom because that makes me appear more enlightened".

rekt

That's every ideology though.

True, but I wouldn't say it happens to the same degree with every ideology. Radical ones invite this kind of thinking by default, especially when they have a simple worldview that seems to have all the answers ("it's the gumt regulations!!" "it's the bourgeosie!!").

[The Liberated Territories]

On a side note, it's a bit weird you describe yourself as a "liberalist" when that's a term Sargon tried to reclaim/make up for his own ideology. Unless it has some other, even more obscure meaning.

It's a bit of a LARP, but

http://theliberalists.net/about/

Except the part about Peterson is cringeworthy.

[Phoenicaea]

Jesus was a red. He sacrifices himself, without anyone else's consent, and then like a true extortionist demands you to pay him back because you "owe" him.

Also hail satan

Quite the contrary, Jesus is an eminent capitalist. He has a product that he offers to sell you for the low, low, price of faith and atonement. And you're free to buy it, or not.

merci beaucoup pour cet exchange

[Great Minarchistan]

are you enjoying the ride to hell that markets have been taking after one decade of bailouts and easy credit

[Elwher]

are you enjoying the ride to hell that markets have been taking after one decade of bailouts and easy credit

One decade?

Dow Jones 12/1/08 - 8149

Dow Jones 11/30/18 - 25538

One real ride to hell the last decade, for sure.

[Petrolheadia]

Just found this Reddit post on r/gaming about why capitalism should end:
https://removeddit.com/r/pcgaming/comme ... talism_is/

The comment section has more bullshit than my cousins' cattle farm.

[The Liberated Territories]

Just found this Reddit post on r/gaming about why capitalism should end:
https://removeddit.com/r/pcgaming/comme ... talism_is/

The comment section has more bullshit than my cousins' cattle farm.

Gamer-Americans are being oppressed by capitalism!

Also EA

[Autarkheia]

The final triumph of Marxist-Gamerism will take place and usher in a new age of unrivaled prosperity and freedom. You have nothing to lose but your lag. Gamers of the world, unite!

[The Liberated Territories]

Well then

Dunno how much of it is Mother Jone's own brand of leftist sensationalism, but it is funny that they picked it up.

[Autarkheia]

Paradox of tolerance in action. Reddit thinks they're brave free speech absolutists, subreddits get overrun by alt-right dipshits and become toxic cesspools of hate, the mods finally ban them, the userbase cries about m'freeze peach some more, rinse and repeat.

The ancap subreddit is also full of fascists so it was only a matter of time. Also, the pipeline is real.

[The Liberated Territories]

The pipeline is not real, it is leftist media slander that tries to group in all ideologies that it dislikes with "naziism."

[Autarkheia]

The pipeline is not real, it is leftist media slander that tries to group in all ideologies that it dislikes with "naziism."

I've seen alt-righters say themselves that they became alt-right because of the pipeline and the editor of Reason (not exactly a pinko rag) has talked about it. It doesn't imply all libertarians are proto-fascists, but just a lot of prominent alt-righters falsely claim to be libertarian, or once did.

[Phoenicaea]

^ @Autharkeia, @Liberated territories.

to previus posters; for this isn t unusual. in my vicinity, and in the place where I live, most profiteers people, whose faith was loyalty to the party that had deal with them.

it was a rather personal and quite reactionnary party and government, they have said for decades them to be classical liberals. it was corruption, using the public treasure.

the nature doesn t see the void as good. if a good glass is half-unfulled, steamy water will flock and fill the half of the glass. there is no a more precious motivation

[Darussalam]

The pipeline is not real, it is leftist media slander that tries to group in all ideologies that it dislikes with "naziism."

I've seen alt-righters say themselves that they became alt-right because of the pipeline and the editor of Reason (not exactly a pinko rag) has talked about it. It doesn't imply all libertarians are proto-fascists, but just a lot of prominent alt-righters falsely claim to be libertarian, or once did.

Libertarianism used to be a mantle for whites as a reaction for expropriation and exploitation on the behalf of the NAM criminal underclass.The idea that each can keep their own productivity instead of being taxfarmed under parasitic relationship seemed appealing. It has since then evolved among some into "the state for me but not to thee", i.e the alt-right.

At any case, they are a symptom, not the disease.

[Petrolheadia]

Well then

Dunno how much of it is Mother Jone's own brand of leftist sensationalism, but it is funny that they picked it up.

With me being a car guy, Mother Jones doesn't exactly ring "quality journalism" to me, with how they drummed the Pinto case up.