Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Great Minarchistan]

ok retard

In the meanwhile, anyone willing to fite me about my hot take on automation? :^)

if we make the humans part robot we can live on desolate worlds near the galactic core

I'd unironically like to take a week/month-long stay near Sagittarius' black hole

[Hammer Britannia]

if we make the humans part robot we can live on desolate worlds near the galactic core

I'd unironically like to take a week/month-long stay near Sagittarius' black hole

Because it reminds you of your heart you libertarian scum?

[Great Minarchistan]

I'd unironically like to take a week/month-long stay near Sagittarius' black hole

Because it reminds you of your my mom's heart you libertarian scum?

ftfy

[Hammer Britannia]

Because it reminds you of your my mom's heart you libertarian scum?

ftfy

yeesh, spot on

[Farnhamia]

Gonna take the weekend to read some Smith, Rothbard, and an assortment of Communist and left-Libertarian works before dropping my new thoughts on right-Libertarianism here, friendos.

ok retard

In the meanwhile, anyone willing to fite me about my hot take on automation? :^)

*** Warned for flaming. ***

[Farnhamia]

I'd unironically like to take a week/month-long stay near Sagittarius' black hole

Because it reminds you of your heart you libertarian scum?

Nice.

*** Warned for flaming. ***

[Hawdhanah]

Many jobs mentioned in that article - delivery, customer service, order fulfilment - are in fact the subjects of replacement.

Technology creates but not at a rate enough to compensate for what was taken. Nowhere near enough. Jobs created decades ago remain very far down on the list in terms of number of people who can rely on it for a living.

Perhaps those that work in delivery, customer service, order fulfillment or whatever could learn new skills to operate the machine and/or software of said technology. You know, rather than slowing down or halting societal progress.

My whole point all along was that there's not enough jobs created from operating or programming said machines, as evident by what has been created a long time ago still not the bulk of the workforce...

[Great Minarchistan]

tfw everyone is ignoring my hot take on automation

[Hammer Britannia]

tfw everyone is ignoring my hot take on automation

Because It's trash

[Northern Davincia]

Should I pick up more literature from Rothbard or Friedman? I can only consume so much Hoppe.

[Zurkerx]

tfw everyone is ignoring my hot take on automation

Then let me say this: are you saying that half of the jobs won't disappear in the US, and that serves as a reason why we won't need some form of welfare, even if it's market-based?

Should I pick up more literature from Rothbard or Friedman? I can only consume so much Hoppe.

You got to Fried (yourself) man and get rid of that Roth!

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Perhaps those that work in delivery, customer service, order fulfillment or whatever could learn new skills to operate the machine and/or software of said technology. You know, rather than slowing down or halting societal progress.

My whole point all along was that there's not enough jobs created from operating or programming said machines, as evident by what has been created a long time ago still not the bulk of the workforce...

Perhaps this will encourage people not to rely on low or no skilled jobs, and encourage them to improve their skills? To put an halt to automation would putting on halt on human and societal progress. Humans have been using technology forever, and making advancements in technology ever since we have been able too.

[Isilanka]

My whole point all along was that there's not enough jobs created from operating or programming said machines, as evident by what has been created a long time ago still not the bulk of the workforce...

Perhaps this will encourage people not to rely on low or no skilled jobs, and encourage them to improve their skills? To put an halt to automation would putting on halt on human and societal progress. Humans have been using technology forever, and making advancements in technology ever since we have been able too.

In that case you need to help them get a better access to education as well. Most people who do low-skilled jobs don't do them because they're lazy idiots who could do better but because they couldn't get the education to do something else, or because they can't find a job suited to their education.

I don't think it's a mere coincidence if major technological advancements in industry and manufacturing in the 19th and th century have almost always been correlated with improvements in public education and the education system as a whole. Saying "we need more qualified people" or "people will seek more qualified jobs" also implies that you give them the means to acess higher education in the first place.

[Elwher]

Perhaps this will encourage people not to rely on low or no skilled jobs, and encourage them to improve their skills? To put an halt to automation would putting on halt on human and societal progress. Humans have been using technology forever, and making advancements in technology ever since we have been able too.

In that case you need to help them get a better access to education as well. Most people who do low-skilled jobs don't do them because they're lazy idiots who could do better but because they couldn't get the education to do something else, or because they can't find a job suited to their education.

I don't think it's a mere coincidence if major technological advancements in industry and manufacturing in the 19th and th century have almost always been correlated with improvements in public education and the education system as a whole. Saying "we need more qualified people" or "people will seek more qualified jobs" also implies that you give them the means to acess higher education in the first place.

There are certainly regional differences, but here in Western NY there are at least two Universities, three four-year colleges, three 2-year public colleges and 3 private 2-year ones (that I can think of) all within a 50 mile radius. The problem is, if one spends one's high school years dividing one's time between pursuing the opposite sex (or the same one) and finding a new drug dealer to try out, one is not going to qualify for the higher education opportunities available. This, coupled with an educational system that explicitly states that a student cannot be held back a grade if he or she is incapable of doing the work, is one of the, if not the most, important reasons why people do not get the education to get high-skilled jobs.

[Great Minarchistan]

Then let me say this: are you saying that half of the jobs won't disappear in the US, and that serves as a reason why we won't need some form of welfare, even if it's market-based?

Such jobs may likely disappear, but this doesn't mean that there won't be an equally massive job creation. By the contrary. On the other hand, job changes have become more and more consistent over the time, so I doubt any significant impact at all. Precedent behavior justifies the same future behavior until there's a break in the pattern.

[Zurkerx]

Then let me say this: are you saying that half of the jobs won't disappear in the US, and that serves as a reason why we won't need some form of welfare, even if it's market-based?

Such jobs may likely disappear, but this doesn't mean that there won't be an equally massive job creation. By the contrary. On the other hand, job changes have become more and more consistent over the time, so I doubt any significant impact at all. Precedent behavior justifies the same future behavior until there's a break in the pattern.

And I agree, so we're pretty much on the same page.

[Northern Davincia]

Will Gen Z save America?

[Zurkerx]

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[Great Minarchistan]

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Based!

[Uxupox]

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freedom and liberty are the only rewards that a true american should strive for.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Will Gen Z save America?

You mean the the generation that are make it so the only two choices are the alt-right and Antifa? Noooo, thank you.

[Firaxin]

Will Gen Z save America?

You mean the the generation that are make it so the only two choices are the alt-right and Antifa? Noooo, thank you.

HEY! That was the millenials.

[Sovaal]

Why aren't recreational nukes on the poll? I feel insulted.

[Sovaal]

You mean the the generation that are make it so the only two choices are the alt-right and Antifa? Noooo, thank you.

HEY! That was the millenials.

As a member of Gen Z I can tell you it's all the same shit in a pot.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

HEY! That was the millenials.

As a member of Gen Z I can tell you it's all the same shit in a pot.

And this is why I love gen X.