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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:25 am

This is a quite disconcerting piece of news for me, and (as a non-American) something I didn't know about before.

According to an NPR article, Delaware was one of the 25 states in the US that ALLOWED child marriages in exceptional circumstances, such as pregnancy or parental consent. This has changed in May, when Delaware voted to outlaw ALL kinds of child marriages, without any exception - which I see as a progressive, but extremely belated step.

Below, I am copying an NYT article on the subject of child marriage in the US, and though the article mainly revolves around the painful experiences of underage forced marriage victims, it also contains some chilling data listed below.

  • There have been an estimated quarter-million child marriages in the U.S. between 2000 and 2010
  • States set a minimum age of 18, but they also allow exceptions, such as with the approval of parents or a court, or when a girl is pregnant
  • 20 states don’t set any minimum statutory age for marriage

I personally find this whole issue nauseating. Americans often condemn the underage marriages in the Middle East or among minority groups living in the US (and they're damn right about it!), so I was very surprised to see that similar "backward" laws that are open to abuse to coerce minors into marrying their molesters are also in place in the US. Besides, these laws in the US may also be paving the way for child marriages in some immigrant communities. Unfortunately, in many Middle-Eastern cultures, underage marriages are seen as normal, and Middle-Eastern immigrants have an additional incentive to marry off their underage daughters to distant relatives living in their home countries: they will get citizenship.

So, NSG, what do you think should be done to stop underage marriages in the US? Do you agree that all states should pass legislation to ban ALL kinds of underage marriage, without recognizing ANY mitigating circumstances? My personal opinion is that no exceptions should be made by law. (I know some people will bring up the issue of a Romeo & Juliet-like love affair where both parties are minors, and say that teenagers should be allowed to marry if they have mutual consent. I know this part of the issue is a grey area, but every exception we allow potentially threatens to come back and hit us like a boomerang, I feel. So if there are two teenagers who are madly in love, too bad. My solution would be to advise them to wait until they both reach the age of majority - which should take only a few years. And if their love is as strong as they say it is, it should withstand the test of time, right?)


An American 13-Year-Old, Pregnant and Married to Her Rapist

Dawn Tyree was 11 years old when a family friend began to molest her. A bit more than a year later, she became pregnant from these rapes, and her parents found out what had been going on. But they didn’t go to the police; instead, they found another solution.

“It was decided for me that I would marry him,” Tyree recalled.

So Tyree, then 13, was married to her rapist, then age 32. She became one of the thousands of underage American girls who are married each year, often sacrificing their futures to reduce embarrassment to their parents. Statutory rape is thus sanctioned by the state as marriage, and the abuser ends up not in handcuffs but showered with wedding gifts.

Our State Department protests child marriage in Africa and Asia (worldwide, a girl 14 or younger is married every 11 seconds, according to Save the Children), but every state in America allowed child marriages. That has finally changed. Last month Delaware became the first state to ban all child marriages, without exception.

“This is a historic moment for women and girls, where we’re finally ending this relic from a sexist past that is destroying girls’ lives,” said Fraidy Reiss, who runs an organization, Unchained at Last, that fights child marriage. “It shouldn’t have been this difficult.”

One study by Unchained at Last estimated that there were nearly a quarter-million child marriages in the U.S. between 2000 and 2010.

Last year I wrote about Sherry Johnson, a Florida woman who had been married at the age of 11 to her rapist. After that article, many readers wrote to me saying that my facts were wrong and that their state had a minimum age of 18 for marriage.

Sadly, the facts were right. Yes, states set a minimum age of 18, but they also allow exceptions, such as with the approval of parents or a court, or when a girl is pregnant. Indeed, 20 states don’t set any minimum statutory age for marriage, according to the Tahirih Justice Center’s Forced Marriage Initiative.

That column about child marriage, along with other publicity and heroic efforts of many activists, prodded legislators to re-examine the issue, but the strongest opposition to a change has come from conservatives who argue that a pregnant girl should be able to marry the unborn child’s father. The idea is that such a marriage will avert an abortion, or at least increase the prospect that the child is raised by a married couple rather than by a struggling single parent.

I understand the goal. But in practice, these marriages involving child brides often don’t succeed and frequently lead to marriages between a young girl and her older rapist.

That’s what happened with Tyree, whose marriage was in 1985. She said the abuse began when she was in the fifth grade in California and her parents moved to Texas, leaving her behind to be looked after by a family friend, in effect a male nanny, who soon took advantage of her. “My abuser convinced me daily that I was old enough to be in a sexual relationship, and that other adults would not understand,” she said.

She kept the secret until she became pregnant. At that point, her parents were upset — presumably at the rapist, but also at the prospect of scandal. “My dad is conservative, so abortion was not an option,” she recalled, and she said everyone told her that her only path was marriage.

“We went to the county courthouse, and a judge asked if I wanted to be married,” Tyree remembered. “My answer was ‘yes.’ For a couple of weeks, I’d been told that marriage was best for me and that I needed to tell the judge that.”

Tyree missed seventh and eighth grades because of the pregnancy and the birth of her son, and because another child, a daughter, soon followed. Tyree became concerned that her husband was a pedophile who might prey on her children, so the marriage lasted just three years; at age 16 Tyree found herself a single mom.

In such cases, a bride can be coerced even if she isn’t beaten. “I was very scared and confused, and I wanted to keep my family happy,” she told me. “Being unwed with child would have been embarrassing to the family. I wanted to keep the peace.”

Yet she was blunt about what happened: “The marriage was a way to cover up the rape. The marriage was a way to keep me from being an unwed teen mother. The marriage was a way to avoid any child services investigation. The marriage was a way to avoid child neglect charges against my parents. The marriage was a way to keep my husband out of prison.”

Some say that they oppose marriages at 13 but not at 17, and it’s true that some underage marriages work out fine. I grew up in rural Oregon, where one of my neighbors was a devoted wife who had married at 16.

Juliet was 13 when Romeo courted her (although that didn’t work out so well). But marriage often ends a girl’s education, and when something goes wrong, a 16- or 17-year-old wife faces particular difficulties: She cannot flee to a domestic violence shelter, which typically will not take anyone under 18, and in some states, an underage girl fleeing an abusive marriage is legally a runaway.

Marriage laws are mostly a matter for the states, but there is room for federal action. American girls in immigrant families are sometimes pressured to marry a distant relative abroad as a way of bringing him to the United States, and it should be a simple matter to ban spouse visas unless both parties were 18 at the time of the marriage.

“It’s degrading to let teenagers marry; it’s not a beautiful thing,” Sonora Fairbanks, now 39, told me, and she knows what she’s talking about: She was married when she was 16 to a man more than 10 years older.

Fairbanks was raised in a deeply Christian family, home-schooled and not allowed to date. She said her parents began talking to her about marrying her future husband when she was 15, partly for her to avoid teenage wildness, and she went along with it because she felt stifled and thought the only way to escape was through marriage. Oh, and she was eager to discover sex. “I was a typical horny teenager,” she explained. (Fairbanks’s marriage turned poisonous and eventually disintegrated.)

It’s frustrating that legislators cling to archaic marriage laws linked to so much abuse; at Unchained at Last, the spreadsheet listing marriage laws by state is labeled “BYHAWS,” short for Banging Your Head Against the Wall Spreadsheet. But now, with Delaware leading, it seems the wall may finally be giving way.

“We finally have one state that shows us that it’s possible,” Reiss told me. “One state down, 49 to go.”

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:37 am

While marriages between teens and adults are creepy, what about marriages between teens and other teens?
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:40 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:While marriages between teens and adults are creepy, what about marriages between teens and other teens?

That's what I referred to as a "gray area" in the OP. That being said, I would personally prefer not making an exception for that, though I know this is not the perfect solution. If teenagers want to get married with each other, they can just wait for a couple of years, in my opinion. This is a better arrangement than one that leaves a "backdoor" open for abusers. (Teenagers can be abusers, too.)
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:49 am

It's a progressive thing. I don't see why someone would open the proverbial and actual door to abusers living with those they abuse just so underage teens can be married. Those marriages are a small percentage of child marriages.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:49 am

I actually think we should be less moralistic about this when it comes to judging other cultures. There should be a minimum age to get married, even with parental consent, and 13 is too young, but there's a difference between marrying off a 13 year old to a child molester vs. getting married at 16 in a culture where that's normal.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:51 am

USS Monitor wrote:I actually think we should be less moralistic about this when it comes to judging other cultures. There should be a minimum age to get married, even with parental consent, and 13 is too young, but there's a difference between marrying off a 13 year old to a child molester vs. getting married at 16 in a culture where that's normal.

Sure, but when laws made to try and accommodate that type of thing are in fact legalizing the mass rape of minors, it's time to make a change.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:54 am

nobody should be able to be married before the age of 25

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Postby Geneviev » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:57 am

Thank you, Delaware. It's always disturbing to see that a girl can get married before she's old enough to do practically anything else.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:04 pm

USS Monitor wrote:I actually think we should be less moralistic about this when it comes to judging other cultures. There should be a minimum age to get married, even with parental consent, and 13 is too young, but there's a difference between marrying off a 13 year old to a child molester vs. getting married at 16 in a culture where that's normal.


Like Scotland. *nods*

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:04 pm

Senkaku wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:I actually think we should be less moralistic about this when it comes to judging other cultures. There should be a minimum age to get married, even with parental consent, and 13 is too young, but there's a difference between marrying off a 13 year old to a child molester vs. getting married at 16 in a culture where that's normal.

Sure, but when laws made to try and accommodate that type of thing are in fact legalizing the mass rape of minors, it's time to make a change.


AFAIK, the laws in the US weren't made to accommodate different cultures. They're just a relic of a past era when women had fewer rights and having children out of wedlock was more of a big deal. And some of them do need an update.

But what marriages we recognize under our own laws is a separate issue from how we react to things that happen in other countries.
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USS Monitor wrote:I actually think we should be less moralistic about this when it comes to judging other cultures. There should be a minimum age to get married, even with parental consent, and 13 is too young, but there's a difference between marrying off a 13 year old to a child molester vs. getting married at 16 in a culture where that's normal.


Like Scotland. *nods*


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Postby Uan aa Boa » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:44 pm

I actually didn't realise child marriage was possible in the USA until I read this. Having had a little time to get my head around that I think pregnancy is a very poor reason to allow under age people to marry. Of all the ways one could try to help the people involved in that situation it seems the supportive - here, we'll exacerbate the upheaval in your life by pushing you into another commitment you can't possibly be prepared for and that will make your life a misery later if not right now. And would it really reduce the social stigma of the situation? Are other people going to think that a child has fallen so deeply in love that they've decided to get married and have a planned pregnancy?

One question to Americans though. Is there no offence of statutory rape? Is "consensual" sex with minors legal in general?

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Postby East Seas Islands » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:47 pm

I see no problem with someone below the normal age getting married with parental consent, but there should be limits. 13 is young under any conditions, but when the other person is 20 years older? Absolutely not!

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Uan aa Boa wrote:I actually didn't realise child marriage was possible in the USA until I read this. Having had a little time to get my head around that I think pregnancy is a very poor reason to allow under age people to marry.


Usually it comes with the "if married, you are also an adult for the law" - which makes it possible for the new mom to make all kinds of decisions on her offsprings behalf, ask for welfare benefits so she can feed her offspring etc.

Still, most countries have that exception age at 16.
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Uan aa Boa wrote:One question to Americans though. Is there no offence of statutory rape? Is "consensual" sex with minors legal in general?


There are statutory rape laws.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:12 pm

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Uan aa Boa wrote:One question to Americans though. Is there no offence of statutory rape? Is "consensual" sex with minors legal in general?


There are statutory rape laws.

And can you be exempt from punishment for statutory rape if you declare an intention to marry the person you raped? Or if you claim that they had consent?
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Postby Aclion » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:24 pm

Seems rather dishonest to conflate marriages at 16 with forced marriages, or child marriages. Seems like it would make more sense to ban all marriages that aren't performed with the full free consent of both parties, which only nine states require apparently.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:41 pm

Aclion wrote:Seems rather dishonest to conflate marriages at 16 with forced marriages, or child marriages. Seems like it would make more sense to ban all marriages that aren't performed with the full free consent of both parties, which only nine states require apparently.


From the website you linked...

While many limitations exist among service providers, the U.S. also lacks marriage laws which address this issue. Currently, only nine states have legal provisions in which the term “forced marriage” is used. The purpose of these laws, however, is not to punish parents, relatives or kin who force a family member into marriage, but rather to prosecute criminal offenses such as abduction, prostitution and defilement. Furthermore, many of these laws don’t acknowledge the fact that perpetrators of forced marriage are often related to the victim/survivor. In Minnesota, for instance, the statutory language of the law protects persons under the age of 18 only “if they are taken without the consent of the parents, guardian, or other person having legal custody of such person.”


Horrible. This means that you are doomed to suffer if your parents the accomplices of your abuser - which might well be the case if the abuser is a relative.

Also, I can't believe how "defilement" can be a legal term. :o
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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:46 pm

Hey kid, you get to be an unwed mother instead of a wife; your kid gets to be an illegitimate bastard instead of a legitimate child.

Congratulations!

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:47 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
There are statutory rape laws.

And can you be exempt from punishment for statutory rape if you declare an intention to marry the person you raped? Or if you claim that they had consent?


The law varies from state to state, and I'm not sure how it works with underage marriages.

Having consent would not be a defense. That's what makes it "statutory" rape rather than just rape.
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Postby Heimatia » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:48 pm

Hmmm, colour me surprised, had no idea this was the case in the United States.
This led to me look into the situation here at home (Trudeauist Canuckistan) and found the following;
Criminal Code, Art. 293.2 Marriage under age of 16 years reads: "Everyone who celebrates, aids or participates in a marriage rite or ceremony knowing that one of the persons being married is under the age of 16 years is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years."


I feel the punishment could be harsher, although I am glad a provision is in place for what I consider 'actual children'. However, I am amused to know that people can get married well before they are 'legally' allowed to view pornography. :roll:
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Postby Melvin Reich » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:49 pm

simply ban islam is the solution.

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Melvin Reich wrote:simply ban islam is the solution.

One post, made today, anti-Islamic.
Bingo?
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Heimatia wrote:
Melvin Reich wrote:simply ban islam is the solution.

One post, made today, anti-Islamic.
Bingo?

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Postby Geneviev » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:52 pm

Melvin Reich wrote:simply ban islam is the solution.

That's not a solution.
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