SCOTUS Sides With Baker in LGBT Wedding Cake Case

[Vassenor]

I'm going to leave it off here because I'm getting really tired of this. A PRIVATE Business should have the right to deny anyone Services for any reason and should not be forced to serve them if they don't want too as long as they don't take Payment from said services. However, does it make alright if someone denies a Black man because of his race? No, but that Person still have a right to refuse. Just because something is allowed doesn't make it alright. Anyone my point is Ultimately is that the Government or other people should not force other people to go against their beliefs. If the government can force a Christian Baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple than they can force anyone to go against their beliefs. I'll leave of with this. "IF ONE DAMN BAKER WONT BAKE YOU A FUCKING CAKE THAN FIND ANOTHER FUCKING BAKER". I'm done with this conversation now.

"Discrimination is OK because there are other options" is not sound logic and is just segregation by another name.

[The New California Republic]

I'm going to leave it off here because I'm getting really tired of this. A PRIVATE Business should have the right to deny anyone Services for any reason and should not be forced to serve them if they don't want too as long as they don't take Payment from said services. However, does it make alright if someone denies a Black man because of his race? No, but that Person still have a right to refuse. Just because something is allowed doesn't make it alright. Anyone my point is Ultimately is that the Government or other people should not force other people to go against their beliefs. If the government can force a Christian Baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple than they can force anyone to go against their beliefs. I'll leave of with this. "IF ONE DAMN BAKER WONT BAKE YOU A FUCKING CAKE THAN FIND ANOTHER FUCKING BAKER". I'm done with this conversation now.

Again, shouting and cussing is not a valid substitute for sound and reasoned argument. You have given us no arguments to support your position, except keep repeating the word PRIVATE, as if it is some kind of smite-all-counter-arguments sword that cleaves everything out of its path. It doesn't I'm afraid. At all.

[Right wing humour squad]

I'm going to leave it off here because I'm getting really tired of this. A PRIVATE Business should have the right to deny anyone Services for any reason and should not be forced to serve them if they don't want too as long as they don't take Payment from said services. However, does it make alright if someone denies a Black man because of his race? No, but that Person still have a right to refuse. Just because something is allowed doesn't make it alright. Anyone my point is Ultimately is that the Government or other people should not force other people to go against their beliefs. If the government can force a Christian Baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple than they can force anyone to go against their beliefs. I'll leave of with this. "IF ONE DAMN BAKER WONT BAKE YOU A FUCKING CAKE THAN FIND ANOTHER FUCKING BAKER". I'm done with this conversation now.

Again, shouting and cussing is not a valid substitute for sound and reasoned argument. You have given us no arguments to support your position, except keep repeating the word PRIVATE, as if it is some kind of smite-all-counter-arguments sword that cleaves everything out of its path. It doesn't I'm afraid. At all.

Actually it does. To use a private individual against there will is slavery.

[Galloism]

Again, shouting and cussing is not a valid substitute for sound and reasoned argument. You have given us no arguments to support your position, except keep repeating the word PRIVATE, as if it is some kind of smite-all-counter-arguments sword that cleaves everything out of its path. It doesn't I'm afraid. At all.

Actually it does. To use a private individual against there will is slavery.

I've been saying that conscription was slavery for years.

[Greed and Death]

It seems the ruling came because the Colorado courts were openly antagonistic to the baker's religion. So much so that two of the liberal justices sided with the majority, but no clear precedent is set.

It was not a court but the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, many of whom are not lawyers. Which is problematic when they are deciding issues of fact and law as well as statewide regulations.

[Telconi]

I'm going to leave it off here because I'm getting really tired of this. A PRIVATE Business should have the right to deny anyone Services for any reason and should not be forced to serve them if they don't want too as long as they don't take Payment from said services. However, does it make alright if someone denies a Black man because of his race? No, but that Person still have a right to refuse. Just because something is allowed doesn't make it alright. Anyone my point is Ultimately is that the Government or other people should not force other people to go against their beliefs. If the government can force a Christian Baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple than they can force anyone to go against their beliefs. I'll leave of with this. "IF ONE DAMN BAKER WONT BAKE YOU A FUCKING CAKE THAN FIND ANOTHER FUCKING BAKER". I'm done with this conversation now.

"Discrimination is OK because there are other options" is not sound logic and is just segregation by another name.

"I have the right to control your life because I'm extra special" is worse.

[Thermodolia]

And i think that religion should be a private only matter and shouldn’t but into the public sphere at all. I’m not saying that religion should be banned or anything like that, I’m religious myself. But religion is a private matter and not something that should be involved in Business, public, and government matters

PRIVATE BUSINESS IS PRIVATE. Again, I think no one should be forced to go against their beliefs because the Government or other people said so. Again I say "if one Damn baker won't bake you a damn cake, find another damn baker". A Private Business is a thing for a reason. It was paid by someone own money so it should be their call who they serve and who they don't. No matter what. If it's a Gay Baker denying a Straight couple or a Straight Baker denying a gay couple. I don't care your Race, Religion, Nationality, Political Beliefs, Gender or anything else, if someone refuses to serve you in a PRIVATE BUSINESS than that's their right.

Ya no. A private business is not private if it deals with the public. So no a business can’t refuse service based on several factors because the federal and state laws say that they can’t.

Also segregation is dumb.

[Thermodolia]

And i think that religion should be a private only matter and shouldn’t but into the public sphere at all. I’m not saying that religion should be banned or anything like that, I’m religious myself. But religion is a private matter and not something that should be involved in Business, public, and government matters

But the United States has a secular government. They can’t not and should not prohibit people from expressing their religious views in public. People and business are allowed to express their personal and religious beliefs, just like people and business can express pro-LGBT views. I do believe there is a difference between having religious based laws and people and business expressing their religious views.

Ya a secular government isn’t enough. The state needs to be state secularist. It’s the only way our society will survive. We should follow France and ban the public display of religion and the public wear of religious garments

[Senkaku]

"Discrimination is OK because there are other options" is not sound logic and is just segregation by another name.

"I have the right to control your life because I'm extra special" is worse.

Patronizing someone's business is not "controlling their life", nor is asking not to be discriminated against based on your identity somehow grasping for undeserved privileges for your specialness. By that logic, a black person in the '50s or '60s who wanted to eat at a white-only diner was asking for the right to control the diner owners'/cooks'/waitstaff's lives because they were extra special because of the melanin content of their skin. If you can't see how absurdly wrongheaded that is, I don't really know what will get through.

[Thermodolia]

"Discrimination is OK because there are other options" is not sound logic and is just segregation by another name.

"I have the right to control your life because I'm extra special" is worse.

“I have the right to control your life because I have a tank and you don’t” is better

[Proctopeo]

"I have the right to control your life because I'm extra special" is worse.

“I have the right to control your life because I have a tank and you don’t” is better

"I have the right to control your life because I have better memes than you" is best

[Right wing humour squad]

Actually it does. To use a private individual against there will is slavery.

I've been saying that conscription was slavery for years.

Yeap
I should add so is income tax, universal healthcare and forcing pregnancy to term.

[Greed and Death]

I'm going to leave it off here because I'm getting really tired of this. A PRIVATE Business should have the right to deny anyone Services for any reason and should not be forced to serve them if they don't want too as long as they don't take Payment from said services. However, does it make alright if someone denies a Black man because of his race? No, but that Person still have a right to refuse. Just because something is allowed doesn't make it alright. Anyone my point is Ultimately is that the Government or other people should not force other people to go against their beliefs. If the government can force a Christian Baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple than they can force anyone to go against their beliefs. I'll leave of with this. "IF ONE DAMN BAKER WONT BAKE YOU A FUCKING CAKE THAN FIND ANOTHER FUCKING BAKER". I'm done with this conversation now.

"Discrimination is OK because there are other options" is not sound logic and is just segregation by another name.

You do know that segregation was Dejure. Someone not wanting to make you a customized piece of edible art for one specific life event is no where near the same as you must forever be in a different space less the police spray you with a fire hose.

[Terra Novae Libero]

It seems the ruling came because the Colorado courts were openly antagonistic to the baker's religion. So much so that two of the liberal justices sided with the majority, but no clear precedent is set.

It was not a court but the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, many of whom are not lawyers. Which is problematic when they are deciding issues of fact and law as well as statewide regulations.

The case initially did start with the Commission, but it was reviewed by the Colorado Court of Appeals

[Auze]

When homosexuality was illegal in 49 states, those were truly the good old days. It is too bad that the clock can't be turned back to that.

What was the other state (or was this before Hawaii was a state)?

[Telconi]

You mean the garbage old days. Times of oppression and lack of respect for constitutional rights are not ones we should envy.

Try to remember Saiwania is a white nationalist.

*Longing for Nuremberg intensifies*

[Greed and Death]

It was not a court but the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, many of whom are not lawyers. Which is problematic when they are deciding issues of fact and law as well as statewide regulations.

The case initially did start with the Commission, but it was reviewed by the Colorado Court of Appeals

And it was the Commissions comments that made caused the supreme court to issue the bench slap. The court of appeals should have sent it back to the commission with instructions not to compare refusal to bake with the holocaust, and the offending members should have been forced to recuse themselves from the rehearing.

[Salus Maior]

But the United States has a secular government. They can’t not and should not prohibit people from expressing their religious views in public. People and business are allowed to express their personal and religious beliefs, just like people and business can express pro-LGBT views. I do believe there is a difference between having religious based laws and people and business expressing their religious views.

Ya a secular government isn’t enough. The state needs to be state secularist. It’s the only way our society will survive. We should follow France and ban the public display of religion and the public wear of religious garments

Nah. We can survive just fine if I wear a cross out.

[Salus Maior]

Again, shouting and cussing is not a valid substitute for sound and reasoned argument. You have given us no arguments to support your position, except keep repeating the word PRIVATE, as if it is some kind of smite-all-counter-arguments sword that cleaves everything out of its path. It doesn't I'm afraid. At all.

Why should someone be forced to make art against their will?

Would you also support Jewish bakers being forced to make content for Alt-Right events?

[Thermodolia]

Again, shouting and cussing is not a valid substitute for sound and reasoned argument. You have given us no arguments to support your position, except keep repeating the word PRIVATE, as if it is some kind of smite-all-counter-arguments sword that cleaves everything out of its path. It doesn't I'm afraid. At all.

Why should someone be forced to make art against their will?

Would you also support Jewish bakers being forced to make content for Alt-Right events?

If they pay me enough I damn well will.

[Right wing humour squad]

Why should someone be forced to make art against their will?

Would you also support Jewish bakers being forced to make content for Alt-Right events?

If they pay me enough I damn well will.

Do you accept chicken tenders?
Cause that’s what you’re going to get.

[Greed and Death]

Why should someone be forced to make art against their will?

Would you also support Jewish bakers being forced to make content for Alt-Right events?

If they pay me enough I damn well will.

Then it is not against your will then now is it ?

[Thermodolia]

If they pay me enough I damn well will.

Do you accept chicken tenders?
Cause that’s what you’re going to get.

Chicken tenders are great if ya know how to make em. But an Alt-right member isn’t my best friend of a family who can pay me in food. They have to pay me a $1,000 minimum fee. Treasonous items cost $5,000 each.

[Thermodolia]

If they pay me enough I damn well will.

Then it is not against your will then now is it ?

Oh of course not. But I don’t know why anyone would turn down a chance to make money. It’s art, you can claim it would cost $4,000 to make the damn thing and if they stupidly agree to it you just got a whole lot a money

[Salus Maior]

Then it is not against your will then now is it ?

Oh of course not. But I don’t know why anyone would turn down a chance to make money. It’s art, you can claim it would cost $4,000 to make the damn thing and if they stupidly agree to it you just got a whole lot a money

Money isn't everything.

Is it so hard for you to understand if someone would prefer not to be associated with something based on principle?