SCOTUS Sides With Baker in LGBT Wedding Cake Case

[Farnhamia]

Sez you, which is your right.

I think you want "mouth off" instead of "mouth of" in your signature, by the way.

Well unless you want a government mandated list of artists and we’ve all seen enough xmen to know how apocalyptic that’s going to go.

Roger.

Perhaps. I have to admit I really liked the part where the government-controlled painters swept through New York painting happy little trees on everything.

[Right wing humour squad]

Well unless you want a government mandated list of artists and we’ve all seen enough xmen to know how apocalyptic that’s going to go.

Roger.

Perhaps. I have to admit I really liked the part where the government-controlled painters swept through New York painting happy little trees on everything.

Never heard of it, but I’d be inclined to say that was actually Bob Ross’ reptilian clones.

[Costa Fierro]

I agree with this ruling given that it was a request for a designed cake. If it was a matter of buying one already prepared, I would side with the plaintiff, however, you should not be forced to create something you object to. If a baker refuses to bake a cake, that is their right. If they refuse to sell one, they'd better have a good reason.

My sentiments exactly.

[The Republic of Fore]

Good, there was no reason they had to get a cake from this exact bakery. Plenty of other ones in Colorado.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Methinks that if businesses liked money so much then they wouldn't feel the need to discriminate against anyone for stupid reasons.

[Right wing humour squad]

Methinks that if businesses liked money so much then they wouldn't feel the need to discriminate against anyone for stupid reasons.

And that’s why the court judged in his favour. The anti religious bias.

[Vassenor]

Good, there was no reason they had to get a cake from this exact bakery. Plenty of other ones in Colorado.

"Discrimination is OK if there are other options" is not sound logic.

Besides, the ruling doesn't actually side with the baker.

[Lady Scylla]

I agree with this ruling given that it was a request for a designed cake. If it was a matter of buying one already prepared, I would side with the plaintiff, however, you should not be forced to create something you object to. If a baker refuses to bake a cake, that is their right. If they refuse to sell one, they'd better have a good reason.

This is about where I’m at. I’m conflicted, but I hesitate to force people to create art.

This is where I'm at as well. Even as a strong proponent for LGBT rights, it'd also be hypocritical of me to make such a demand of someone by forcing them to craft something they'd disagree with. As previously stated, I'd have an issue if it was an already made cake/item that was being refused in sale, but in this case, I don't think it can qualify as discrimination.

[Tebuh]

I support the SCOTUS decision. People can always go to another bakery.

[Vassenor]

I support the SCOTUS decision. People can always go to another bakery.

"Discrimination is OK if there are other options" is not sound logic.

Besides, the ruling doesn't actually side with the baker.

[Tebuh]

I support the SCOTUS decision. People can always go to another bakery.

"Discrimination is OK if there are other options" is not sound logic.

Besides, the ruling doesn't actually side with the baker.

I'm sure that man's bakery isn't the only one in the whole of Colorado.

[Pilarcraft]

"Discrimination is OK if there are other options" is not sound logic.

Besides, the ruling doesn't actually side with the baker.

I'm sure that man's bakery isn't the only one in the whole of Colorado.

Still doesn't make his discrimination OK, though.

[Tebuh]

I'm sure that man's bakery isn't the only one in the whole of Colorado.

Still doesn't make his discrimination OK, though.

I don't care. If someone refuses you, it only makes sense to go to someplace else more accommodating.

[Vassenor]

Still doesn't make his discrimination OK, though.

I don't care. If someone refuses you, it only makes sense to go to someplace else more accommodating.

Even when he is technically breaking the law by doing so?

[Tebuh]

I don't care. If someone refuses you, it only makes sense to go to someplace else more accommodating.

Even when he is technically breaking the law by doing so?

What part of "I don't care." did you not understand?

[Vassenor]

Even when he is technically breaking the law by doing so?

What part of "I don't care." did you not understand?

It's interesting how many people don't care about discrimination as long as it doesn't personally affect them.

[Tebuh]

What part of "I don't care." did you not understand?

It's interesting how many people don't care about discrimination as long as it doesn't personally affect them.

I'm a celibate lesbian, and I don't care if you call me a 'faggot', 'homo', 'dyke' or whatever have you. The only 'discriminations' that bother me are racist ones and sexist ones.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Or war. Or Turnabout.

Just you being a hypocrite.

I want an apology for that liar remark btw.

No it was definitely the other two.

Good for you.

Nope, just you being hypocritical.

[Vassenor]

It's interesting how many people don't care about discrimination as long as it doesn't personally affect them.

I'm a celibate lesbian, and I don't care if you call me a 'faggot', 'homo', 'dyke' or whatever have you. The only 'discriminations' that bother me are racist ones and sexist ones.

So what makes some forms of discrimination acceptable and others not?

[Lady Scylla]

What part of "I don't care." did you not understand?

It's interesting how many people don't care about discrimination as long as it doesn't personally affect them.

Discrimination is a two way street, however. As is respect. Two cases, here, can be made on the following points below:

A) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to buy a prefab cake. The owner denies the cake for x reason. The owner is wrong in this scenario.
B) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to have a cake crafted with x message. The owner denies for x reason. The couple sues. The couple is wrong in this scenario.

If the baker wishes to deny making cakes because of their beliefs, then they can. It will cost them business more than likely, but it is their right to do so. It would be hypocritical of a homosexual couple, who has demanded equality on their beliefs (or in this case, sexuality), to then demand others to forsake theirs, no matter how backward they may be.

[The New California Republic]

It's interesting how many people don't care about discrimination as long as it doesn't personally affect them.

The only 'discriminations' that bother me are racist ones and sexist ones.

Good to know that you don't give a damn about discrimination based on disability etc.

[Pilarcraft]

Discrimination is a two way street, however. As is respect. Two cases, here, can be made on the following points below:

A) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to buy a prefab cake. The owner denies the cake for x reason. The owner is wrong in this scenario.
B) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to have a cake crafted with x message. The owner denies for x reason. The couple sues. The couple is wrong in this scenario.

If the baker wishes to deny making cakes because of their beliefs, then they can. It will cost them business more than likely, but it is their right to do so. It would be hypocritical of a homosexual couple, who has demanded equality on their beliefs (or in this case, sexuality), to then demand others to forsake theirs, no matter how backward they may be.

Um. No.
You suing another person for being an absolutely horrible piece of garbage isn't discrimination. It's pretty stupid, but it's not discrimination.
You not baking people cake because they're gay is, however, discrimination, and makes you an absolutely horrible piece of garbage. These two aren't equal. If your religion tells you to discriminate against other people, then just fucking abandon that religion, it's the only thing you should do.

[Tebuh]

Discrimination is a two way street, however. As is respect. Two cases, here, can be made on the following points below:

A) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to buy a prefab cake. The owner denies the cake for x reason. The owner is wrong in this scenario.
B) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to have a cake crafted with x message. The owner denies for x reason. The couple sues. The couple is wrong in this scenario.

If the baker wishes to deny making cakes because of their beliefs, then they can. It will cost them business more than likely, but it is their right to do so. It would be hypocritical of a homosexual couple, who has demanded equality on their beliefs (or in this case, sexuality), to then demand others to forsake theirs, no matter how backward they may be.

Um. No.
You suing another person for being an absolutely horrible piece of garbage isn't discrimination. It's pretty stupid, but it's not discrimination.
You not baking people cake because they're gay is, however, discrimination, and makes you an absolutely horrible piece of garbage. These two aren't equal. If your religion tells you to discriminate against other people, then just fucking abandon that religion, it's the only thing you should do.

lmfao

[Lady Scylla]

Discrimination is a two way street, however. As is respect. Two cases, here, can be made on the following points below:

A) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to buy a prefab cake. The owner denies the cake for x reason. The owner is wrong in this scenario.
B) A homosexual couple enters a store, and wants to have a cake crafted with x message. The owner denies for x reason. The couple sues. The couple is wrong in this scenario.

If the baker wishes to deny making cakes because of their beliefs, then they can. It will cost them business more than likely, but it is their right to do so. It would be hypocritical of a homosexual couple, who has demanded equality on their beliefs (or in this case, sexuality), to then demand others to forsake theirs, no matter how backward they may be.

Um. No.
You suing another person for being an absolutely horrible piece of garbage isn't discrimination. It's pretty stupid, but it's not discrimination.
You not baking people cake because they're gay is, however, discrimination, and makes you an absolutely horrible piece of garbage. These two aren't equal. If your religion tells you to discriminate against other people, then just fucking abandon that religion, it's the only thing you should do.

While it'd be nice if things were that simple, the fact that religion is as ingrained in people's daily lives as is makes it rather moot. You can sue somebody for any reason you want, including for just being black. Doesn't mean it'll go anywhere, but you can knock yourself out. I think it's a shitty thing to do personally, but that's also because I care more about the money than whether what you want on the bloody thing clashes with my beliefs.

For more context -- I'm a lesbian, I'm going to be rather miffed at someone who won't do me a cake with a ''Congrats on the Gay Wedding'' digs, but I'm not hypocritical, nor shitty enough myself to tell said person that they can get fucked with their beliefs and sue them over it. As shitty as Christianity or x religion is, my being gay doesn't trump their bible-thumping all the same as it doesn't trump my being gay.

[Pilarcraft]

Um. No.
You suing another person for being an absolutely horrible piece of garbage isn't discrimination. It's pretty stupid, but it's not discrimination.
You not baking people cake because they're gay is, however, discrimination, and makes you an absolutely horrible piece of garbage. These two aren't equal. If your religion tells you to discriminate against other people, then just fucking abandon that religion, it's the only thing you should do.

lmfao

In all honesty, I didn't think "don't be a piece of shit and if your religion tells you to be a a piece of shit, stop following that religion" would be such a controversial issue.