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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:32 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Mushet wrote:Imagine the chip telling you shit like that all day, it doesn't have to control your actions, just drive you crazy with paranoid ramblings.

Honestly I find that to be far less probable or disturbing than the realities of going to the toilet or god forbid masturbating with this thing active.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:33 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Honestly I find that to be far less probable or disturbing than the realities of going to the toilet or god forbid masturbating with this thing active.

"I can make you feel real good, Dave."


As funny as this is can we not go this route.

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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:"I can make you feel real good, Dave."


As funny as this is can we not go this route.

Not for a permanent weatware implant at least. I would not be opposed to a sex robot with AI as long as I can turn her off and stuff her in a closet as opposed to having her constantly in the back of my mind silently (or vocally) judging me.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:16 pm

Purpelia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
As funny as this is can we not go this route.

Not for a permanent weatware implant at least. I would not be opposed to a sex robot with AI as long as I can turn her off and stuff her in a closet as opposed to having her constantly in the back of my mind silently (or vocally) judging me.

Can we please not go down this route?

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:17 pm

Purpelia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
As funny as this is can we not go this route.

Not for a permanent weatware implant at least. I would not be opposed to a sex robot with AI as long as I can turn her off and stuff her in a closet as opposed to having her constantly in the back of my mind silently (or vocally) judging me.

I can't imagine most people being okay with this kind of thing at all really.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Not for a permanent weatware implant at least. I would not be opposed to a sex robot with AI as long as I can turn her off and stuff her in a closet as opposed to having her constantly in the back of my mind silently (or vocally) judging me.

Can we please not go down this route?

I feel it's kind of too late to say that on a thread dedicated to exactly that idea. You get some upgrades but also a voice in your head. Hard to not discuss the voice in your head under such an OP.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Albynau » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:50 pm

I'd probably take it simply because I wouldn't want to be a quadriplegic

I'd be super skeptical that the guy isn't lying through his teeth to me though, but then again I'd always have the option to off myself.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:52 pm

Albynau wrote:I'd probably take it simply because I wouldn't want to be a quadriplegic

I'd be super skeptical that the guy isn't lying through his teeth to me though, but then again I'd always have the option to off myself.


Would you be skeptical?

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Postby Firaxin » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:53 pm

Albynau wrote:I'd probably take it simply because I wouldn't want to be a quadriplegic

I'd be super skeptical that the guy isn't lying through his teeth to me though, but then again I'd always have the option to off myself.

The chip controls your body, you cannot kill yourself if the chip doesn’t listen to you.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:54 pm

Firaxin wrote:
Albynau wrote:I'd probably take it simply because I wouldn't want to be a quadriplegic

I'd be super skeptical that the guy isn't lying through his teeth to me though, but then again I'd always have the option to off myself.

The chip controls your body, you cannot kill yourself if the chip doesn’t listen to you.


it doesn't control your thoughts. it might try to persuade you not too but it cannot stop you.

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Postby Firaxin » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Firaxin wrote:The chip controls your body, you cannot kill yourself if the chip doesn’t listen to you.


it doesn't control your thoughts. it might try to persuade you not too but it cannot stop you.

But guess what, your thoughts don’t control your body any longer. The chip does.

Analogy:

Your conscious is the operator of your body’s control center (brain). The control center also has a built-in system that automatically responds to certain situations and perform certain actions (subconscious and unconscious) when the operator cannot do so. The control center is connected directly to a large and powerful transmitter station (spine) which transmits orders to the entire body. One day the transmitter station is damaged permanently, losing the ability to transmit to certain areas of the body. It can be replaced by a third party transmitter that has a mind of its own. The third party promises the transmitter will listen to the control center, but it is not definitive that it will. It’s possible the third party transmitter begins transmitting different orders then the control center.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:18 pm

Firaxin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
it doesn't control your thoughts. it might try to persuade you not too but it cannot stop you.

But guess what, your thoughts don’t control your body any longer. The chip does.

Analogy:

Your conscious is the operator of your body’s control center (brain). The control center also has a built-in system that automatically responds to certain situations and perform certain actions (subconscious and unconscious) when the operator cannot do so. The control center is connected directly to a large and powerful transmitter station (spine) which transmits orders to the entire body. One day the transmitter station is damaged permanently, losing the ability to transmit to certain areas of the body. It can be replaced by a third party transmitter that has a mind of its own. The third party promises the transmitter will listen to the control center, but it is not definitive that it will. It’s possible the third party transmitter begins transmitting different orders then the control center.


But for this scenario it has no ability to control your thoughts. The input guards prevent it. You want to take a train somewhere or cook something it cannot stop you.

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Postby Firaxin » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Firaxin wrote:But guess what, your thoughts don’t control your body any longer. The chip does.

Analogy:

Your conscious is the operator of your body’s control center (brain). The control center also has a built-in system that automatically responds to certain situations and perform certain actions (subconscious and unconscious) when the operator cannot do so. The control center is connected directly to a large and powerful transmitter station (spine) which transmits orders to the entire body. One day the transmitter station is damaged permanently, losing the ability to transmit to certain areas of the body. It can be replaced by a third party transmitter that has a mind of its own. The third party promises the transmitter will listen to the control center, but it is not definitive that it will. It’s possible the third party transmitter begins transmitting different orders then the control center.


But for this scenario it has no ability to control your thoughts. The input guards prevent it. You want to take a train somewhere or cook something it cannot stop you.

It can, as in order to get on a train your body needs to get there, and to bake a cake you need to move your arms to use the ingredients. Since it has a program of some kind it doesn’t need a brain to recieve signals to send out, as it can create its own.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:27 pm

Firaxin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
But for this scenario it has no ability to control your thoughts. The input guards prevent it. You want to take a train somewhere or cook something it cannot stop you.

It can, as in order to get on a train your body needs to get there, and to bake a cake you need to move your arms to use the ingredients. Since it has a program of some kind it doesn’t need a brain to recieve signals to send out, as it can create its own.


No it can't do things on its on movement wise and what you choose to do. If your looking at surveillance footage it might see something you dont but it can't force you to do anything.
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Postby Cappuccina » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:36 pm

I don't think I'd like having to share my body with a second consciousness. That'd be the ultimate invasion of privacy.
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Postby Firaxin » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Firaxin wrote:It can, as in order to get on a train your body needs to get there, and to bake a cake you need to move your arms to use the ingredients. Since it has a program of some kind it doesn’t need a brain to recieve signals to send out, as it can create its own.


No it can't do things on its on movement wise and what you choose to do. If your looking at surveillance footage it might see something you dont but it can't force you to do anything.

If it can talk to you, it has a will. If it has a will, it can do things on its own. It may be programmed to follow your will, but it can also be programmed to not follow your will in certain situations (such as suicide, or removal of the chip). The instant it doesn’t need to follow your will is the instant it has the ability to do what it wants.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:44 pm

Firaxin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it can't do things on its on movement wise and what you choose to do. If your looking at surveillance footage it might see something you dont but it can't force you to do anything.

If it can talk to you, it has a will. If it has a will, it can do things on its own. It may be programmed to follow your will, but it can also be programmed to not follow your will in certain situations (such as suicide, or removal of the chip). The instant it doesn’t need to follow your will is the instant it has the ability to do what it wants.


The chip is programmed to only take control with your explicit permission. There is nothing it can stop you from doing if those are the parameters. It could only try and persuade you not to do something

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Postby Firaxin » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Firaxin wrote:If it can talk to you, it has a will. If it has a will, it can do things on its own. It may be programmed to follow your will, but it can also be programmed to not follow your will in certain situations (such as suicide, or removal of the chip). The instant it doesn’t need to follow your will is the instant it has the ability to do what it wants.


The chip is programmed to only take control with your explicit permission. There is nothing it can stop you from doing if those are the parameters. It could only try and persuade you not to do something

At least, that’s what you’re told. What if the billionaire lied?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:51 pm

Firaxin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The chip is programmed to only take control with your explicit permission. There is nothing it can stop you from doing if those are the parameters. It could only try and persuade you not to do something

At least, that’s what you’re told. What if the billionaire lied?


And what if a meteor strikes your town? We are not looking at the notion of the billionaire lying. The parameters for the scenario as laid out are your thoughts and actions are entirely your own and their is no lying involved.

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Postby Right wing humour squad » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:54 pm

Was already a test subject as a child, don’t see the harm here.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:54 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:Was already a test subject as a child, don’t see the harm here.

Would you mind elaborating?

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Postby Eclius » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:55 pm

Cappuccina wrote:I don't think I'd like having to share my body with a second consciousness. That'd be the ultimate invasion of privacy.

But looking in a different perspective, you'll have intellectual abilities like no one else before you, you can essentially become someone even smarter than Einstein, just imagine the possibilities
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Postby Eclius » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:55 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:Was already a test subject as a child, don’t see the harm here.

What?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:56 pm

Eclius wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I don't think I'd like having to share my body with a second consciousness. That'd be the ultimate invasion of privacy.

But looking in a different perspective, you'll have intellectual abilities like no one else before you, you can essentially become someone even smarter than Einstein, just imagine the possibilities

Possibility. You'll certainly be like Sherlock Holmes as the computer chip will likely notice things you would otherwise miss.

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Postby Firaxin » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Firaxin wrote:At least, that’s what you’re told. What if the billionaire lied?


And what if a meteor strikes your town? We are not looking at the notion of the billionaire lying. The parameters for the scenario as laid out are your thoughts and actions are entirely your own and their is no lying involved.

Is the billionaire human? If he is, there’s a large chance he’s lying, a much larger chance than the chance a meteor will hit my town. Even if he isn’t lying to me, he could always change the chip’s programming later or could create a newer chip with a different program and offer that as replacement for the failing old one. The problem is that you can’t trust the source, even when they are telling the truth.

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