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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
126
45%
5.45
16
6%
7.62x39
61
22%
.30 Carbine
20
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
5%
Other
45
16%
 
Total votes : 281

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:54 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:looks like its time to get a bigger job and move out. my dad insists on being the only gun owner in the house. So basically now the only reason he votes republican is because he's bigoted it seems.

I'm sorry to hear that.

On the plus side now you can get an apartment, pop in a gun safe, and start collecting.

Problems are: I won't rent. No idea where to move to. Won't be able to keep the car. No guarantee of a quality job that isn't torture. Not enough money.
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Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:11 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:(Image)

about ~10 minutes with a dremel to make these adulterations:
(Image)(Image)

It fits fine and flush with the AR-18's internal feed lips, and still engages with the AR-15's mag catch. Will have to take to the range this weekend to see how it feeds.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:45 pm

Took it to the range last week, it doesnt feed at all. The rounds push the magazine lower than just the follower.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:09 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Took it to the range last week, it doesnt feed at all. The rounds push the magazine lower than just the follower.
Feed issues are the worst, I spent hours on my wife's carbine with a Dremel so it feeds correctly.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:04 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Took it to the range last week, it doesnt feed at all. The rounds push the magazine lower than just the follower.

So you're saying you needed to cut the notch for the mag-catch a bit lower than anticipated?

Lessons learned: Dremmel-test with dummy rounds, or in a super-clean situation and a firing-pin free bolt.

However, if feed/cycle testing ammunition through a questionably dremmelled P-mag... make sure the ammunition matches the chamber.
-Getting a 5.45 stuck in a 5.56 can be embarrassing. (and frustrating to fix)
-Getting a .300 BLK chambered is just plain dangerous.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:26 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:(Image)

about ~10 minutes with a dremel to make these adulterations:
(Image)(Image)

It fits fine and flush with the AR-18's internal feed lips, and still engages with the AR-15's mag catch. Will have to take to the range this weekend to see how it feeds.


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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:07 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Took it to the range last week, it doesnt feed at all. The rounds push the magazine lower than just the follower.

So you're saying you needed to cut the notch for the mag-catch a bit lower than anticipated?

Lessons learned: Dremmel-test with dummy rounds, or in a super-clean situation and a firing-pin free bolt.

However, if feed/cycle testing ammunition through a questionably dremmelled P-mag... make sure the ammunition matches the chamber.
-Getting a 5.45 stuck in a 5.56 can be embarrassing. (and frustrating to fix)
-Getting a .300 BLK chambered is just plain dangerous.

A bit higher. The notch is too low with rounds in, not too high.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:11 pm

Is what happens when you tamper with rifle.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:03 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:So you're saying you needed to cut the notch for the mag-catch a bit lower than anticipated?

Lessons learned: Dremmel-test with dummy rounds, or in a super-clean situation and a firing-pin free bolt.

However, if feed/cycle testing ammunition through a questionably dremmelled P-mag... make sure the ammunition matches the chamber.
-Getting a 5.45 stuck in a 5.56 can be embarrassing. (and frustrating to fix)
-Getting a .300 BLK chambered is just plain dangerous.

A bit higher. The notch is too low with rounds in, not too high.


So why not just extend the notch?

You may lose positive control of the mag (can become over-seated) but that can be fixed by taping around the magwell edge. Future P-mag mods can have the notch properly located.
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Factbook and general referance thread.
HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:37 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:A bit higher. The notch is too low with rounds in, not too high.


So why not just extend the notch?

That's what I'm going to do once I get my hands on a suitable file--file the top edge upwards maybe by a millimeter.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:49 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
So why not just extend the notch?

That's what I'm going to do once I get my hands on a suitable file--file the top edge upwards maybe by a millimeter.

Diamond deburring tool.
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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:35 pm

I think the burr I have is too large for the slot provided.
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Postby Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:37 pm

Anyone here familiar with the good old SA80?
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:39 pm

It's like my AR-18, but worse
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:39 pm

Hrythingia wrote:Anyone here familiar with the good old SA80?

What about that piece of crap?
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Postby Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:41 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:Anyone here familiar with the good old SA80?

What about that piece of crap?

Ho ho just wondering. As my standard issue I was wondering what people thought about it here. Can be rather pestly but I haven't used any other automatic weapon so I have nothing else to go by really.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:43 pm

Hrythingia wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:What about that piece of crap?

Ho ho just wondering. As my standard issue I was wondering what people thought about it here. Can be rather pestly but I haven't used any other automatic weapon so I have nothing else to go by really.

To be completely fair the A2 fixed almost all of the A1's problems, but didn't fix the inferiority of the bullpup design.
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Postby Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:47 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:Ho ho just wondering. As my standard issue I was wondering what people thought about it here. Can be rather pestly but I haven't used any other automatic weapon so I have nothing else to go by really.

To be completely fair the A2 fixed almost all of the A1's problems, but didn't fix the inferiority of the bullpup design.

I don't mind the bullpup too much really, it would feel weird for me to have the magazine further forward. It does seem to jam a lot, even when I take extra care to make sure that it won't (which is harder than one thinks when on exercise and you're sprinting from a to b and hitting the forest floor covered in pine needles and all sorts of other lovely things).
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:48 pm

Hrythingia wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:To be completely fair the A2 fixed almost all of the A1's problems, but didn't fix the inferiority of the bullpup design.

I don't mind the bullpup too much really, it would feel weird for me to have the magazine further forward. It does seem to jam a lot, even when I take extra care to make sure that it won't (which is harder than one thinks when on exercise and you're sprinting from a to b and hitting the forest floor covered in pine needles and all sorts of other lovely things).

Well to each their own. I regularly commit Gun Heresy by saying I don't care for Glocks.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:49 pm

It fires a round really close to the point of aim almost every time when you pull the trigger. That said it's a less elegant, sophisticated, or well-executed design than almost every other bullpup rifle.
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Postby Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:50 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:It fires a round really close to the point of aim almost every time when you pull the trigger. That said it's a less elegant, sophisticated, or well-executed design than almost every other bullpup rifle.

Well yes it is rather good to get a good grouping with it on the target range.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:53 pm

Hrythingia wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:To be completely fair the A2 fixed almost all of the A1's problems, but didn't fix the inferiority of the bullpup design.

I don't mind the bullpup too much really, it would feel weird for me to have the magazine further forward. It does seem to jam a lot, even when I take extra care to make sure that it won't (which is harder than one thinks when on exercise and you're sprinting from a to b and hitting the forest floor covered in pine needles and all sorts of other lovely things).

If you have a blank firing adapter on expect your gun to run like a bolt action. The only thing I've found to work reliably with a BFA on is an M240.
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Postby Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:03 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:I don't mind the bullpup too much really, it would feel weird for me to have the magazine further forward. It does seem to jam a lot, even when I take extra care to make sure that it won't (which is harder than one thinks when on exercise and you're sprinting from a to b and hitting the forest floor covered in pine needles and all sorts of other lovely things).

If you have a blank firing adapter on expect your gun to run like a bolt action. The only thing I've found to work reliably with a BFA on is an M240.

I usually fire it on exercise with a BFA yes. Also bloody hell, the amount of mess blanks make in the working parts comapared to live rounds is ridiculous. Especially when the colour sergeant wants them sparkly silver for inspection. :(
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State type: Semi-Elective Monarchy
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Capital: Ernburh
Language: Hrystic (Old English)
Religion: Catholicism
Characteristics: Isolationist, mercantile, conservative, rural, deeply religious
Industries: sheep/beef agriculture, fishing, offshore oil, financial services
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:13 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:I don't mind the bullpup too much really, it would feel weird for me to have the magazine further forward. It does seem to jam a lot, even when I take extra care to make sure that it won't (which is harder than one thinks when on exercise and you're sprinting from a to b and hitting the forest floor covered in pine needles and all sorts of other lovely things).

Well to each their own. I regularly commit Gun Heresy by saying I don't care for Glocks.

I'm not a fan of them either.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:35 pm

Hrythingia wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:What about that piece of crap?

Ho ho just wondering. As my standard issue I was wondering what people thought about it here. Can be rather pestly but I haven't used any other automatic weapon so I have nothing else to go by really.

Functionality-wise, it works.

Ergonomicly, it's a very distinctly British mess.
-The considerations the designers gave no cares about, they gave absolutely no cares.
-So it prob sucks if you're a lefty or not sized like what a normal person was back in 1982.

The other bits were how well the furniture stays on the gun, and what other corners the unionized workers took when they were told they'd be fired regardless of how well they put the rifles together.

Later reworks with better sourced internal components tended to fix most problems... although the stock probably still tends to dissassemble itself at poor times.
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Factbook and general referance thread.
HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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