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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
103
45%
5.45
15
7%
7.62x39
47
21%
.30 Carbine
15
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
6%
Other
35
15%
 
Total votes : 228

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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:38 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Revolving rifles were a shortlived invention back in the 1800s.

Truth be told, I think in places like Hawaii and California, or any other state that limits magazine count, revolving rifles still remain relevant in their own ways there, disregarding ARs and such with 10 round magazines.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:40 am

Germanic Templars wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Revolving rifles were a shortlived invention back in the 1800s.

Truth be told, I think in places like Hawaii and California, or any other state that limits magazine count, revolving rifles still remain relevant in their own ways there, disregarding ARs and such with 10 round magazines.

That's possible.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:49 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Revolving rifles were a shortlived invention back in the 1800s.


Taurus makes them now. Well shotgun/carbines anyway.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:50 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Truth be told, I think in places like Hawaii and California, or any other state that limits magazine count, revolving rifles still remain relevant in their own ways there, disregarding ARs and such with 10 round magazines.

That's possible.


What I am waiting for is some madman to make a .700 nitro revolver rifle; I wanna see how that goes.

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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:04 am

Germanic Templars wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:That's possible.


What I am waiting for is some madman to make a .700 nitro revolver rifle; I wanna see how that goes.


I'd buy one.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:08 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Revolving rifles were a shortlived invention back in the 1800s.


Taurus makes them now. Well shotgun/carbines anyway.

No way.
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Germanic Templars wrote:
What I am waiting for is some madman to make a .700 nitro revolver rifle; I wanna see how that goes.


I'd buy one.

That would be interesting to see, yes. I'll file that with the rotary rail gun...
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:13 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Taurus makes them now. Well shotgun/carbines anyway.

No way.
Big Jim P wrote:
I'd buy one.

That would be interesting to see, yes. I'll file that with the rotary rail gun...


Yes way. I think they call it the raging judge. Fires .410 shotgun and .45 colt rounds.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:14 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:No way.
That would be interesting to see, yes. I'll file that with the rotary rail gun...


Yes way. I think they call it the raging judge. Fires .410 shotgun and .45 colt rounds.


Isn't that just the plain revolver?

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:15 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:No way.
That would be interesting to see, yes. I'll file that with the rotary rail gun...


Yes way. I think they call it the raging judge. Fires .410 shotgun and .45 colt rounds.

Why not just make it .50 cal? :twisted:
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:17 am

Germanic Templars wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Yes way. I think they call it the raging judge. Fires .410 shotgun and .45 colt rounds.


Isn't that just the plain revolver?


Maybe. I am not sure of the name and don't have time to look it up. Basically they took the revolver, added a 16 inch barrel, buttstock/forend and a blast shield to deflect the hot gasses from the cylinder gap. Fun gun to shoot. Useless as tits on a boar hog though.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:19 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Yes way. I think they call it the raging judge. Fires .410 shotgun and .45 colt rounds.

Why not just make it .50 cal? :twisted:


They made a prototype 28 gauge revolver. Couldn't get it past the ATF though. :(
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:34 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Why not just make it .50 cal? :twisted:


They made a prototype 28 gauge revolver. Couldn't get it past the ATF though. :(

That's too bad. Also, Judge is an awesome name for a revolver.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:17 am

Revolving rifles were and still are an amazing design. It is a shame that due to ammunition problems and a less then ideal design made shooting the "rifle" dangerous. A shame too because I've heard that aside from mutilating your fingers with white hot debris it was the best handling repeater in the Civil War. Beating out the Henry.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:29 pm

I was reading a book and it talked about a suppressed .22lr semi-automatic pistol. The smart part was that when the suppressor was screwed onto the barrel it locked into the slide so the action wouldn't cycle when a round was fired.

How quiet do people think that would actually be?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:30 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:I was reading a book and it talked about a suppressed .22lr semi-automatic pistol. The smart part was that when the suppressor was screwed onto the barrel it locked into the slide so the action wouldn't cycle when a round was fired.

How quiet do people think that would actually be?


Very.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:I was reading a book and it talked about a suppressed .22lr semi-automatic pistol. The smart part was that when the suppressor was screwed onto the barrel it locked into the slide so the action wouldn't cycle when a round was fired.

How quiet do people think that would actually be?


Very.


Getting towards Hollywood suppressed pistols or still kind car door slamming levels?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:44 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Very.


Getting towards Hollywood suppressed pistols or still kind car door slamming levels?


iirc the Welrod and such things are getting pretty close to Hollywood levels of quiet
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Getting towards Hollywood suppressed pistols or still kind car door slamming levels?


iirc the Welrod and such things are getting pretty close to Hollywood levels of quiet


Maybe, but this book was written in 1988. :P
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:58 pm

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iirc the Welrod and such things are getting pretty close to Hollywood levels of quiet


Maybe, but this book was written in 1987. :P


Such concepts have been around since WW2, which is actually when the Welrod was made.

In theory you could knock it down to ridiculously low dB's (50 or so maybe) but the can would need to be really large and probably be multi-stage and I'm not sure how practical it would be on such a small gun.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Maybe, but this book was written in 1987. :P


Such concepts have been around since WW2, which is actually when the Welrod was made.

In theory you could knock it down to ridiculously low dB's (50 or so maybe) but the can would need to be really large and probably be multi-stage and I'm not sure how practical it would be on such a small gun.


That's actually a far more sensible idea than the one Clancy made up.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:I was reading a book and it talked about a suppressed .22lr semi-automatic pistol. The smart part was that when the suppressor was screwed onto the barrel it locked into the slide so the action wouldn't cycle when a round was fired.

How quiet do people think that would actually be?


You'd also need to use subsonic rounds, or there will still be a crack sound from the round traveling supersonic.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:15 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:I was reading a book and it talked about a suppressed .22lr semi-automatic pistol. The smart part was that when the suppressor was screwed onto the barrel it locked into the slide so the action wouldn't cycle when a round was fired.

How quiet do people think that would actually be?


You'd also need to use subsonic rounds, or there will still be a crack sound from the round traveling supersonic.


You can use supersonic rounds and a properly designed barrel will slow them down to subsonic. The Welrod that WRA mentioned did that with 9mm parabellum rounds.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Maybe, but this book was written in 1987. :P


Such concepts have been around since WW2, which is actually when the Welrod was made.

In theory you could knock it down to ridiculously low dB's (50 or so maybe) but the can would need to be really large and probably be multi-stage and I'm not sure how practical it would be on such a small gun.

For comparative purposes, here's what a De Lisle and its big-ass suppressor sounds like.

Notice that it can be pretty damn quiet depending on where you're standing in relation to the muzzle, but it's still not at Hollywood thwip-thwip running-gunfight-in-the-middle-of-a-crowd-and-nobody-notices levels.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:49 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
You'd also need to use subsonic rounds, or there will still be a crack sound from the round traveling supersonic.


You can use supersonic rounds and a properly designed barrel will slow them down to subsonic. The Welrod that WRA mentioned did that with 9mm parabellum rounds.


Sure, if you want a suppressor that could screw with accuracy, range, and has to be rebuilt after a couple of magazines worth of ammo. It seems easier to start with subsonic ammo, which is relatively easy to find.
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