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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
126
45%
5.45
16
6%
7.62x39
61
22%
.30 Carbine
20
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
5%
Other
45
16%
 
Total votes : 281

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:29 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Nah, new Remingtons are shit.

Then use your head and get one from the 90s or late 80s. They ain't exactly rare or expensive.

Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:07 am

Sovaal wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Then use your head and get one from the 90s or late 80s. They ain't exactly rare or expensive.

Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.

Remington for the longest time was fantastic.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:31 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.

Remington for the longest time was fantastic.


Just get a mossberg.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:09 pm

Tule wrote:This summer I've had the opportunity to try out a variety of guns. Been interested in getting a license for them for a while now, but my experiences were a bit different from what I expected in terms of which guns I want.

Turns out that rifles are my least favourite type of gun. Which is not what I expected.

Conversely, shotguns are REALLY fun. Far more fun than I expected.

Handguns are pretty fun too, more so than I expected. Don't mean to brag but I did far better with them than I thought I would: I actually hit the target.

I have little interest in driving 400 miles to Reindeer territory and back with a $2000 rifle with $1000 optics firing $2.50 rounds and gutting the whole thing. I might get a .22 rifle for target shooting but that would be a later purchase.

A shotgun will kill anything else that lives on this island, the ammo is c 35 per shell, no need for expensive sights and shooting clays is very difficult and way more fun than rifle shooting.

My first gun will definitely be a shotgun. Thinking of getting a Benelli M2. I was initially interested in a Beretta Outlander but was warned about getting a gas-operated shotgun due to the maintenance needed.

Thoughts?


My first shotgun was the Remington 870, and I still have it. As long as I keep it fed, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, cycles smooth, and is comfortable to shoot. That said, I bought a Remington 1100 for shooting skeet, since its semi auto.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:35 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Tule wrote:This summer I've had the opportunity to try out a variety of guns. Been interested in getting a license for them for a while now, but my experiences were a bit different from what I expected in terms of which guns I want.

Turns out that rifles are my least favourite type of gun. Which is not what I expected.

Conversely, shotguns are REALLY fun. Far more fun than I expected.

Handguns are pretty fun too, more so than I expected. Don't mean to brag but I did far better with them than I thought I would: I actually hit the target.

I have little interest in driving 400 miles to Reindeer territory and back with a $2000 rifle with $1000 optics firing $2.50 rounds and gutting the whole thing. I might get a .22 rifle for target shooting but that would be a later purchase.

A shotgun will kill anything else that lives on this island, the ammo is c 35 per shell, no need for expensive sights and shooting clays is very difficult and way more fun than rifle shooting.

My first gun will definitely be a shotgun. Thinking of getting a Benelli M2. I was initially interested in a Beretta Outlander but was warned about getting a gas-operated shotgun due to the maintenance needed.

Thoughts?


My first shotgun was the Remington 870, and I still have it. As long as I keep it fed, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, cycles smooth, and is comfortable to shoot. That said, I bought a Remington 1100 for shooting skeet, since its semi auto.

I've used both the 870 and the 1100. I have to say, I prefer the 870. It's a little lighter than the 1100, and it's fun to use the pump.
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Postby Zeclil » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:18 am

Just picked up a SIG P320 X-Carry, trigger isn't quite what they had posted. Little bit of creep, but definitely worth it.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:42 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
My first shotgun was the Remington 870, and I still have it. As long as I keep it fed, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, cycles smooth, and is comfortable to shoot. That said, I bought a Remington 1100 for shooting skeet, since its semi auto.

I've used both the 870 and the 1100. I have to say, I prefer the 870. It's a little lighter than the 1100, and it's fun to use the pump.

Although the 1100 does kick a fair amount less.

As for rifles... $100 Mosin, $100 ammo-crate (two tins of 440 rds each), plus freebie accessories... If you're lucky the bore hasn't been shot-out and if you're dilligent with swabbing the bore clean you may be able to get a few good 300 meter shots off the iron-sights. Kicks about like a shotgun, except with more muzzle-flash.

Semi-auto or "precision" rifles (ie: something with a scope), $600 DPMS, scope and mount for maybe $150-$200, and roughly 0.35 to 0.45 / rd as long as you stick to 55 and 62 grain bullets.

I'm not sure how that converts to english currency, though. And I'm sure the local authorities would have some nasty glances of jealousy if they saw the commoner meandering around with a bigger black dakka-stick than themselves.
-They're black for much the same reason why the Ford model Ts and gun barrels are generally black. Physics/chemistry, cost, and quality-control.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:17 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I've used both the 870 and the 1100. I have to say, I prefer the 870. It's a little lighter than the 1100, and it's fun to use the pump.

Although the 1100 does kick a fair amount less.

As for rifles... $100 Mosin, $100 ammo-crate (two tins of 440 rds each), plus freebie accessories... If you're lucky the bore hasn't been shot-out and if you're dilligent with swabbing the bore clean you may be able to get a few good 300 meter shots off the iron-sights. Kicks about like a shotgun, except with more muzzle-flash.

Semi-auto or "precision" rifles (ie: something with a scope), $600 DPMS, scope and mount for maybe $150-$200, and roughly 0.35 to 0.45 / rd as long as you stick to 55 and 62 grain bullets.

I'm not sure how that converts to english currency, though. And I'm sure the local authorities would have some nasty glances of jealousy if they saw the commoner meandering around with a bigger black dakka-stick than themselves.
-They're black for much the same reason why the Ford model Ts and gun barrels are generally black. Physics/chemistry, cost, and quality-control.

I didn't notice much of a difference in recoil between the 870 and the 1100, which were both 20 GA.
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
If it's ugly, uncomfortable, and can't shoot straight, but it accomplishes the above, then it's either a Mosin or a Hi-Point."
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:15 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Although the 1100 does kick a fair amount less.

As for rifles... $100 Mosin, $100 ammo-crate (two tins of 440 rds each), plus freebie accessories... If you're lucky the bore hasn't been shot-out and if you're dilligent with swabbing the bore clean you may be able to get a few good 300 meter shots off the iron-sights. Kicks about like a shotgun, except with more muzzle-flash.

Semi-auto or "precision" rifles (ie: something with a scope), $600 DPMS, scope and mount for maybe $150-$200, and roughly 0.35 to 0.45 / rd as long as you stick to 55 and 62 grain bullets.

I'm not sure how that converts to english currency, though. And I'm sure the local authorities would have some nasty glances of jealousy if they saw the commoner meandering around with a bigger black dakka-stick than themselves.
-They're black for much the same reason why the Ford model Ts and gun barrels are generally black. Physics/chemistry, cost, and quality-control.

I didn't notice much of a difference in recoil between the 870 and the 1100, which were both 20 GA.

Probably a bit more noticeable when you get to a brick of one ounce slugs doing 1400+ fps.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:41 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I didn't notice much of a difference in recoil between the 870 and the 1100, which were both 20 GA.

Probably a bit more noticeable when you get to a brick of one ounce slugs doing 1400+ fps.

That might have something to do with that. I was shooting skeet, so no slugs. Iirc, we were firing 20 GA 2 3/4 inch shells.
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
If it's ugly, uncomfortable, and can't shoot straight, but it accomplishes the above, then it's either a Mosin or a Hi-Point."
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:50 am

Sovaal wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Then use your head and get one from the 90s or late 80s. They ain't exactly rare or expensive.

Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.


I am still wondering if their new 15+1 1911 is worth it.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:59 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.


I am still wondering if their new 15+1 1911 is worth it.

They make an M1911 with a capacity like that? Sweet.
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:02 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I am still wondering if their new 15+1 1911 is worth it.

They make an M1911 with a capacity like that? Sweet.


I've read about them.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:14 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.


I am still wondering if their new 15+1 1911 is worth it.

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Postby Datlofff » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:45 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Good thing I said nothing about old Remingtons being shit.


I am still wondering if their new 15+1 1911 is worth it.

Just buy a Glock. :rofl:
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:49 am

Datlofff wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I am still wondering if their new 15+1 1911 is worth it.

Just buy a Glock. :rofl:


I already have Glocks, and their 45 only has 13 round mags. ;)
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Postby Datlofff » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:52 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Datlofff wrote:Just buy a Glock. :rofl:


I already have Glocks, and their 45 only has 13 round mags. ;)


Extended magazines ;)
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:55 am

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Big Jim P wrote:
I already have Glocks, and their 45 only has 13 round mags. ;)


Extended magazines ;)


Not the same, and not a 1911. My next glock will be a 10mm G40 MOS.
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Postby Datlofff » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:12 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Datlofff wrote:
Extended magazines ;)


Not the same, and not a 1911. My next glock will be a 10mm G40 MOS.


Why would you want a 1911 anyways? The only one I own that runs well is my grandfather's, and that one is ww2 era.

10mm is a fun round tho.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:15 am

Datlofff wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not the same, and not a 1911. My next glock will be a 10mm G40 MOS.


Why would you want a 1911 anyways? The only one I own that runs well is my grandfather's, and that one is ww2 era.

10mm is a fun round tho.


I want a wide variety of guns. A VERY wide variety. ;)
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:15 am

Datlofff wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not the same, and not a 1911. My next glock will be a 10mm G40 MOS.


Why would you want a 1911 anyways? The only one I own that runs well is my grandfather's, and that one is ww2 era.

10mm is a fun round tho.

Come on now, a 1911 is one of those Americana must own type of firearms. One of those, just because categories.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:01 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Datlofff wrote:
Why would you want a 1911 anyways? The only one I own that runs well is my grandfather's, and that one is ww2 era.

10mm is a fun round tho.

Come on now, a 1911 is one of those Americana must own type of firearms. One of those, just because categories.

I wonder how much a WWII era 1911 is? Probably out of my price range...
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:58 am

Datlofff wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not the same, and not a 1911. My next glock will be a 10mm G40 MOS.


Why would you want a 1911 anyways?

While Glock and Beretta are better in the eyes of most the m1911a1 is still considered god's preferred handgun.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:19 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Come on now, a 1911 is one of those Americana must own type of firearms. One of those, just because categories.

I wonder how much a WWII era 1911 is? Probably out of my price range...


If I remember correctly around the $2000.00 mark.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:15 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I wonder how much a WWII era 1911 is? Probably out of my price range...


If I remember correctly around the $2000.00 mark.

GEEEEEEZZZZZZZ. I could buy a small arsenal with that amount.
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
If it's ugly, uncomfortable, and can't shoot straight, but it accomplishes the above, then it's either a Mosin or a Hi-Point."
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