GUN TALK II: Doubletap

[Krasny-Volny]

Mercatus, if you’re still trying to decide between a Yugo SKS or a ZPAP, be aware of this: the prices on those old Zastava M56/66s have been going up, up, up since the surplus from Serbia, Bosnia, and Croatia dried up (those were the big three sending them over here). I’ve watched them jump from $400 to $600 to $750-$800 over the span of two years, which is roughly where they are now.

If you want one eventually, get one now. No new imports will probably come in ever again, and any that do will probably be from the bottom of the barrel.

ZPAPs have been flooding into the country in increasing numbers over the past couple of years, and the prices have remained roughly the same: $900 - $1,100 range, depending on who you buy from. More will keep coming and never dry up unless we hit an import ban. Zastava will probably be making the PAP and M70 design until the end of time, since it’s incredibly lucrative for exports.

Just my two cents.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The original GI-issued ones from Colt are actually cast-aluminum.

Did not know that. When I think of cast firearms, I usually think of Ruger.

Makes a good deal of sense, though. Investment castings are used pretty widely in the aerospace industry. Was this something that Colt introduced, or did Armalite use cast parts too?

Long time back there was a promotional on the AR-15 production going through the investment-casting method and how it would pretty much allow factories to rapidly start production with just a few spare wax-castings from the parent-factory.

Unlike ramping-up sheet-metal stampings and billet-forgings, in which you are limited to just running the presses harder, longer, and reduce tolerances to levels that you need to start hand-fitting your stampings.

Milled parts... yeah, aluminum can be milled MUCH easier than steel, that's a plus too. But it's still WAY slower than mass-casting on an industrial level.

To top it off, you can therefore cast AR-15's in some chinese freedom-fighter's backyard. Making the most difficult parts the barrel and bolt carrier group.

This is also why AR-receivers shatter when crushed.

[Pax Nerdvana]

My oldest gun’s an old 20 gauge. All I know is that it was made in the ‘30s or ‘40s.
Trying to decide between a .308, a 12 gauge, or a 7.62x39 for my next gun. Or maybe a .30-30. Exactly what it is depends on what I find for cheap at my LGS; I’m just trying to figure out what caliber I want, and I’ll go from there

Got an SKS? I bought one because I couldn’t decide between an AK and a 30-30 I wanted to use as a brush gun, and it’s probably the most practical decision I’ve made when buying a firearm.

Thought about an SKS, but they ain’t as cheap as they were. I ain’t paying more then $500 for one

[Greater Cesnica]

So now that ATRS (Alberta Tactical Rifle Supply) has been vindicated in court (Canada moment), I've been eyeing these:

https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... ern-hunter
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... rn-varmint
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... rn-sporter

Any of y'all have any experience with these or something very similar? Want something reliable but not sure my bank account can tank a hit from getting a B&T APC.

Got an SKS? I bought one because I couldn’t decide between an AK and a 30-30 I wanted to use as a brush gun, and it’s probably the most practical decision I’ve made when buying a firearm.

Thought about an SKS, but they ain’t as cheap as they were. I ain’t paying more then $500 for one

>500
>USD

wtf? how come we have cheaper prices on the SKS up here?

[GENSOC]

>500
>USD

wtf? how come we have cheaper prices on the SKS up here?

Y'all have had cheaper SVTs now for forever, something I am very jealous of.

[Ithalian Empire]

So now that ATRS (Alberta Tactical Rifle Supply) has been vindicated in court (Canada moment), I've been eyeing these:

https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... ern-hunter
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... rn-varmint
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... rn-sporter

Any of y'all have any experience with these or something very similar? Want something reliable but not sure my bank account can tank a hit from getting a B&T APC.

Thought about an SKS, but they ain’t as cheap as they were. I ain’t paying more then $500 for one

>500
>USD

wtf? how come we have cheaper prices on the SKS up here?

Because Canada can still import Norinco SKS from China. We cant.

[Rosmana]

So now that ATRS (Alberta Tactical Rifle Supply) has been vindicated in court (Canada moment), I've been eyeing these:

https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... ern-hunter
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... rn-varmint
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hikash ... rn-sporter

Any of y'all have any experience with these or something very similar? Want something reliable but not sure my bank account can tank a hit from getting a B&T APC.

>500
>USD

wtf? how come we have cheaper prices on the SKS up here?

Because Canada can still import Norinco SKS from China. We cant.

Trade embargo?

[Ithalian Empire]

Because Canada can still import Norinco SKS from China. We cant.

Trade embargo?

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

[Rosmana]

Trade embargo?

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

Ah, right, Cant you import from Canada?

[American Legionaries]

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

Ah, right, Cant you import from Canada?

No.

[Rosmana]

Ah, right, Cant you import from Canada?

No.

Why is that?, seems weird.

[American Legionaries]

No.

Why is that?, seems weird.

Because Chinese made guns shipped from Canada are still Chinese made.

[Ithalian Empire]

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

Ah, right, Cant you import from Canada?

Nope. Cant import any semiautomatic rifle from outside the United States, or something lame like that.

[Rosmana]

Ah, right, Cant you import from Canada?

Nope. Cant import any semiautomatic rifle from outside the United States, or something lame like that.

Ah, ok, thanks.

Why is that?, seems weird.

Because Chinese made guns shipped from Canada are still Chinese made.

Ok, makes sense.

Yeah, not an expert, never even fired a firearm.

[American Legionaries]

Ah, right, Cant you import from Canada?

Nope. Cant import any semiautomatic rifle from outside the United States, or something lame like that.

You can, 922 is a bit more complex than that. But we get various AKs that way.

In this instance, the ban is specifically upon guns made by Norinco, regardless of source or model. The ban applies to anything Norinco made, even shotguns, bolt rifles, etc.

[Antipatros]

Some Russian arms/ammo firms face similar restrictions, from what I understand.

[American Legionaries]

Some Russian arms/ammo firms face similar restrictions, from what I understand.

It's now all of them, I believe.

[Cordis Indurat]

I want a MTs-255 so bad but thanks to import bans I'm never going to have one. End my suffering, please.

[Krasny-Volny]

Got an SKS? I bought one because I couldn’t decide between an AK and a 30-30 I wanted to use as a brush gun, and it’s probably the most practical decision I’ve made when buying a firearm.

Thought about an SKS, but they ain’t as cheap as they were. I ain’t paying more then $500 for one

You can easily get them for $400-$500 here in AZ. J&G sold me one for $400 flat last year. We’re inundated with them from the last shipment to hit the states from Albania.

[Lady Victory]

Trade embargo?

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

[American Legionaries]

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

The Norinco ban does nothing to China, and a lot to American gun buyers.

[Greater Cesnica]

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

Don't be a Reaganite. Red guns are still guns. They have feelings

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

The Norinco ban does nothing to China, and a lot to American gun buyers.

Well it's just government interference to aid American companies and just brings about monopolization.

[Ithalian Empire]

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

Import bans are the highest tier of cringe, especially when the do nothing to hurt the Chicoms.

I just want an SKS, folding spike bayonet is a must. And I don't want to pay 700 dollars for one, or worse, 1,000 for some Bubba's special upgraded version.

[Krasny-Volny]

Now, its a part of the import ban the US has.

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

Chinese guns are eligible for import if they spend 20 years sitting in a neutral country first.

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/chinese- ... ks-review/

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand gun import bans are cringe, but on the other banning Chinese imports is based.

Import bans are the highest tier of cringe, especially when the do nothing to hurt the Chicoms.

I just want an SKS, folding spike bayonet is a must. And I don't want to pay 700 dollars for one, or worse, 1,000 for some Bubba's special upgraded version.

Import bans just don't do anything. Except help domestic gun manufacturers who can't compete with the foreign stuff.