GUN TALK II: Doubletap

[Lady Victory]

There's something about those early SMGs that I really like the look of. MP18, MP34, Sten, Type 100, Sterling, etc. The ones with the magazine on the side. It's just a pleasant aesthetic; especially with a wood stock. Shame nobody designs SMGs like that anymore.

Stemple

It's like a 1960's MG-transferable Soumi receiver that's still being assembled as of 2009.

All the pictures I'm seeing show the mag underneath, not on the side like for say the MP34.

[The Two Jerseys]

Stemple

It's like a 1960's MG-transferable Soumi receiver that's still being assembled as of 2009.

All the pictures I'm seeing show the mag underneath, not on the side like for say the MP34.

The Ukrainians can hook you up.

[Lady Victory]

All the pictures I'm seeing show the mag underneath, not on the side like for say the MP34.

The Ukrainians can hook you up.

Based.

But no MP34? Sadge.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Stemple

It's like a 1960's MG-transferable Soumi receiver that's still being assembled as of 2009.

All the pictures I'm seeing show the mag underneath, not on the side like for say the MP34.

This is a stemple

[Lady Victory]

All the pictures I'm seeing show the mag underneath, not on the side like for say the MP34.

This is a stemple

Man wtf is wrong with that website lmao. The entire thing is a mess, someone needs to fix the coding because it's all over the place. I had to open the images in another tab just to zoom out and actually see what they were.

[Mercatus]

All the pictures I'm seeing show the mag underneath, not on the side like for say the MP34.

The Ukrainians can hook you up.

I’m sure with a few mods you could turn it into a fun tube.

[Grinning Dragon]

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[Pax Nerdvana]

I think my shotgun’s chamber is 2 3/4, but I’m not entirely sure. Fits an unfired shell just fine, and a fired shell fits in with a little more force. Also have no idea if it’s safe to put slugs through it.

[Grinning Dragon]

I think my shotgun’s chamber is 2 3/4, but I’m not entirely sure. Fits an unfired shell just fine, and a fired shell fits in with a little more force. Also have no idea if it’s safe to put slugs through it.

No chamber marking on the barrel? How old is the pepper shaker? You could use a dowel or a small enough tape measure to measure the length of the chamber.
As to slugs, should be fine to shoot the correct shell size for your chamber.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I think my shotgun’s chamber is 2 3/4, but I’m not entirely sure. Fits an unfired shell just fine, and a fired shell fits in with a little more force. Also have no idea if it’s safe to put slugs through it.

No chamber marking on the barrel? How old is the pepper shaker? You could use a dowel or a small enough tape measure to measure the length of the chamber.
As to slugs, should be fine to shoot the correct shell size for your chamber.

1930s from the sounds of it.

Back then 3" hulls weren't a thing (they may have existed, but not commonplace), so there wasn't a need to differentiate..

[Grinning Dragon]

No chamber marking on the barrel? How old is the pepper shaker? You could use a dowel or a small enough tape measure to measure the length of the chamber.
As to slugs, should be fine to shoot the correct shell size for your chamber.

1930s from the sounds of it.

Back then 3" hulls weren't a thing (they may have existed, but not commonplace), so there wasn't a need to differentiate..

Ah I see. Yeah if it's that old then I'd say it's safe to say it takes 2.75" shot shells.

Also to note. Palemento State Armory is going to import equipment from a ammo manufacturer in Europe to produce steel cased ammo for the AK

[Ithalian Empire]

1930s from the sounds of it.

Back then 3" hulls weren't a thing (they may have existed, but not commonplace), so there wasn't a need to differentiate..

Ah I see. Yeah if it's that old then I'd say it's safe to say it takes 2.75" shot shells.

Also to note. Palemento State Armory is going to import equipment from a ammo manufacturer in Europe to produce steel cased ammo for the AK

Oh god, I hope the QC is better with that than it is with there guns.

[Grinning Dragon]

Ah I see. Yeah if it's that old then I'd say it's safe to say it takes 2.75" shot shells.

Also to note. Palementto State Armory is going to import equipment from a ammo manufacturer in Europe to produce steel cased ammo for the AK

Oh god, I hope the QC is better with that than it is with there guns.

Seen it in passing from Atlantic Arms, they had posted that PSA was going to bring over the equipment, tooling and the know how. So is safe to garner a guess that would also mean peeps from said ammo manufacturer to help them get up and running?

[Mercatus]

1930s from the sounds of it.

Back then 3" hulls weren't a thing (they may have existed, but not commonplace), so there wasn't a need to differentiate..

Ah I see. Yeah if it's that old then I'd say it's safe to say it takes 2.75" shot shells.

Also to note. Palemento State Armory is going to import equipment from a ammo manufacturer in Europe to produce steel cased ammo for the AK

*Un-shits pants*

I now have a reason to save up and buy a Bulgy 74 kit or an AK12 kit.

[Lady Victory]

So I know the Russians rejected the AN-94 because of it's expense but how did it actually measure up when compared to the AK-74 which it was intended to replace?

[Mercatus]

So I know the Russians rejected the AN-94 because of it's expense but how did it actually measure up when compared to the AK-74 which it was intended to replace?

I think it was fairly fragile and less reliable because of all the parts that could break or get jammed up. The AN-94 literally has a second bolt in it that facilitates the operation of its “hyper burst” ability (firing two shots in one cycling of the weapon). While the concept is cool and interesting, it was likely too intricate and complex to stand up to abuse.

[Impaled Nazarene]

So I know the Russians rejected the AN-94 because of it's expense but how did it actually measure up when compared to the AK-74 which it was intended to replace?

I think it was fairly fragile and less reliable because of all the parts that could break or get jammed up. The AN-94 literally has a second bolt in it that facilitates the operation of its “hyper burst” ability (firing two shots in one cycling of the weapon). While the concept is cool and interesting, it was likely too intricate and complex to stand up to abuse.

Yeah like a lot of things it was ahead of its time and as a result adopting it would have subjected it to abuses that would have wrecked it. I also suspect there would be issues where certain roles would have said "that's cool but can we get more of what we have? We like it and don't need anything more complicated"

[Pax Nerdvana]

No chamber marking on the barrel? How old is the pepper shaker? You could use a dowel or a small enough tape measure to measure the length of the chamber.
As to slugs, should be fine to shoot the correct shell size for your chamber.

1930s from the sounds of it.

Back then 3" hulls weren't a thing (they may have existed, but not commonplace), so there wasn't a need to differentiate..

Yeah, seems to be late ‘30s, from the very small amount of information I was able to find.

1930s from the sounds of it.

Back then 3" hulls weren't a thing (they may have existed, but not commonplace), so there wasn't a need to differentiate..

Ah I see. Yeah if it's that old then I'd say it's safe to say it takes 2.75" shot shells.

Also to note. Palemento State Armory is going to import equipment from a ammo manufacturer in Europe to produce steel cased ammo for the AK

Thanks for the help guys.

On an unrelated note, I got my AR to semi-consistently extract dummy rounds about halfway, so that’s progress.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Do you think there's enough interest for a thread for all non-gun weapons? Don't want to threadjack with non gun things

[Greater Cesnica]

Do you think there's enough interest for a thread for all non-gun weapons? Don't want to threadjack with non gun things

I suppose it couldn't hurt to try.

[Mercatus]

I think it was fairly fragile and less reliable because of all the parts that could break or get jammed up. The AN-94 literally has a second bolt in it that facilitates the operation of its “hyper burst” ability (firing two shots in one cycling of the weapon). While the concept is cool and interesting, it was likely too intricate and complex to stand up to abuse.

Yeah like a lot of things it was ahead of its time and as a result adopting it would have subjected it to abuses that would have wrecked it. I also suspect there would be issues where certain roles would have said "that's cool but can we get more of what we have? We like it and don't need anything more complicated"

I can only imagine how miserably the AN-94 would’ve performed in the Chechen Wars.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Yeah like a lot of things it was ahead of its time and as a result adopting it would have subjected it to abuses that would have wrecked it. I also suspect there would be issues where certain roles would have said "that's cool but can we get more of what we have? We like it and don't need anything more complicated"

I can only imagine how miserably the AN-94 would’ve performed in the Chechen Wars.

With a burst that quick and poor firing discipline (from learning a new gun that is) the springs would have given out at about 600 rounds or worse the poor thing jams like a first wave M-16 in the marsh.

[Grinning Dragon]

I can only imagine how miserably the AN-94 would’ve performed in the Chechen Wars.

With a burst that quick and poor firing discipline (from learning a new gun that is) the springs would have given out at about 600 rounds or worse the poor thing jams like a first wave M-16 in the marsh.

To be fair, with the introduction of the M16 it was the ammo that caused it to jam due to the varying powder recipes from ammo manufacturers.

[Impaled Nazarene]

With a burst that quick and poor firing discipline (from learning a new gun that is) the springs would have given out at about 600 rounds or worse the poor thing jams like a first wave M-16 in the marsh.

To be fair, with the introduction of the M16 it was the ammo that caused it to jam due to the varying powder recipes from ammo manufacturers.

I've heard so many different stories its hard to know which is right

[Hurtful Thoughts]

To be fair, with the introduction of the M16 it was the ammo that caused it to jam due to the varying powder recipes from ammo manufacturers.

I've heard so many different stories its hard to know which is right

Well, "the fix" caused other issues.

And the fix for that fix's fix resulted in the M16A2.