GUN TALK II: Doubletap

[Lady Victory]

Im not much of a gun expert and I would like to be but can somebody for the love of God tell me why the hell does everyone hate:
- Hi-Point
- Bullpups
- H&K (the company)

I keep seeing the hate on it, I understand the hate for the NRA and whatever that other association is I forgot the name off since Im not America. It is also perfectly reasonable to go on a tangent rant or a 3 page exposition paper on why you or why people hate it, i want to learn more

H&K is popular and all popular things get hated on. Sometime it's deserved, sometime it isn't. In this case I have no idea but I'd wager it's more of the latter than the former. That's usually the case.

[Neanderthaland]

Im not much of a gun expert and I would like to be but can somebody for the love of God tell me why the hell does everyone hate:
- Hi-Point
- Bullpups
- H&K (the company)

I keep seeing the hate on it, I understand the hate for the NRA and whatever that other association is I forgot the name off since Im not America. It is also perfectly reasonable to go on a tangent rant or a 3 page exposition paper on why you or why people hate it, i want to learn more

Bullpups were basically just overhyped. There was a time when everyone seemed to think they were the way of the future, and that every military going forward was going to want a bullpup. But it turns out that they're basically only better if you spend a lot of time fighting from a moving vehicle, and this comes at the cost of making reloading more awkward, and a few other issues.

It's more the hype then the weapons themselves that people are derisive about. People insisting "this is better!" when it's not. Also there's a lot of really crappy Chinese bullpups on the market now. They're made to look all fancy and futuristic, but they're basically just AKs.

[Krasny-Volny]

Im not much of a gun expert and I would like to be but can somebody for the love of God tell me why the hell does everyone hate:
- Hi-Point
- Bullpups
- H&K (the company)

I keep seeing the hate on it, I understand the hate for the NRA and whatever that other association is I forgot the name off since Im not America. It is also perfectly reasonable to go on a tangent rant or a 3 page exposition paper on why you or why people hate it, i want to learn more

Hi Points have a reputation for being shoddily put together.
Bullpups and H&K products are not awful, they’re just incredibly overrated and overpriced.

[Mercatus]

Im not much of a gun expert and I would like to be but can somebody for the love of God tell me why the hell does everyone hate:
- Hi-Point
- Bullpups
- H&K (the company)

I keep seeing the hate on it, I understand the hate for the NRA and whatever that other association is I forgot the name off since Im not America. It is also perfectly reasonable to go on a tangent rant or a 3 page exposition paper on why you or why people hate it, i want to learn more

Hi Points have a reputation for being shoddily put together.
Bullpups and H&K products are not awful, they’re just incredibly overrated and overpriced.

Plus the general H&K crowd are snobs who think they are better than all other gun owners.

Bullpup is gay.

[Lazarine]

Thank you for the responses, I'm now at least 1 step closer on becoming a casual gun enthusiast, or something equivalent.
I would have shot my first battle-rifle (SCAR-H) last year if it wasn't for this bloody pandemic and the restrictions of my country

[The Two Jerseys]

Hi Points have a reputation for being shoddily put together.
Bullpups and H&K products are not awful, they’re just incredibly overrated and overpriced.

Plus the general H&K crowd are snobs who think they are better than all other gun owners.

Bullpup is gay.

The first thing I think of whenever someone mentions H&K...

[Pax Nerdvana]

I did try running a cleaning brush down the barrel and chamber, but I haven’t tried polishing it. How would I do that?
Thanks

Does the extractor engage the rim of the casing at all?
One can use a wire chamber brush and rod and wrap scotchbright around the brush and put some polish compound on it end attach the other end to a cordless drill and let it spin inside the chamber for bit. Another way would be to use a slightly larger chamber brush and wrap a cleaning patch around the brush and apply polish compound to that and spin it with a drill.

The extractor usually engages the rim enough to pull it part way out of the chamber. I don’t have a chamber brush, so it looks like I’ll have to order one. Thanks again.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Does the extractor engage the rim of the casing at all?
One can use a wire chamber brush and rod and wrap scotchbright around the brush and put some polish compound on it end attach the other end to a cordless drill and let it spin inside the chamber for bit. Another way would be to use a slightly larger chamber brush and wrap a cleaning patch around the brush and apply polish compound to that and spin it with a drill.

The extractor usually engages the rim enough to pull it part way out of the chamber. I don’t have a chamber brush, so it looks like I’ll have to order one. Thanks again.

Least recommended way is to wrap some steel wool (ultra mega-fine grit, 0000+) around a drill-bit and run it backwards in the chamber with an electric drill.

Janky and can go horrendously wrong very easily, but it works.

Even more janky is an easy-out/bolt-extractor used on a stuck case-neck. since a dry-run without a case in there means you'll dig into and it'll attempt to extract the chamber from the barrel, in pieces.

[Pax Nerdvana]

The extractor usually engages the rim enough to pull it part way out of the chamber. I don’t have a chamber brush, so it looks like I’ll have to order one. Thanks again.

Least recommended way is to wrap some steel wool (ultra mega-fine grit, 0000+) around a drill-bit and run it backwards in the chamber with an electric drill.

Janky and can go horrendously wrong very easily, but it works.

Even more janky is an easy-out/bolt-extractor used on a stuck case-neck. since a dry-run without a case in there means you'll dig into and it'll attempt to extract the chamber from the barrel, in pieces.

Which would not be good. If I remember, I’ll order a chamber brush tonight or tomorrow. I think I have some polishing compound already down in the garage.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Least recommended way is to wrap some steel wool (ultra mega-fine grit, 0000+) around a drill-bit and run it backwards in the chamber with an electric drill.

Janky and can go horrendously wrong very easily, but it works.

Even more janky is an easy-out/bolt-extractor used on a stuck case-neck. since a dry-run without a case in there means you'll dig into and it'll attempt to extract the chamber from the barrel, in pieces.

Which would not be good. If I remember, I’ll order a chamber brush tonight or tomorrow. I think I have some polishing compound already down in the garage.

Usually a shotgun bore brush fits chambers fine. Either 20 gauge or .410... a pistol brush works too, I guess.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Which would not be good. If I remember, I’ll order a chamber brush tonight or tomorrow. I think I have some polishing compound already down in the garage.

Usually a shotgun bore brush fits chambers fine. Either 20 gauge or .410... a pistol brush works too, I guess.

Ordered a chamber brush and some ammo. A four dollar fix. Thanks for all the help!

[Isle of Westland]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

[Ithalian Empire]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

AR style because the AR is the superior platform.

[Isle of Westland]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

AR style because the AR is the superior platform.

Fair, I'm inclined to agree.

Also, unless there's something i'm missing, it should be "Eat, drink, and be merry" rather than "mary", which is my Nan's friend's name.

[Novus America]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

I prefer the AR style as I find it more intuitive and easier to quickly switch out magazines.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

Straight-in is easier, rock-in is simpler.

[Neanderthaland]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

Obviously if you have a lot of practice doing it one way, that's the way you're going to find easier. But I think probably the AR is more intuitive. It seems like you'd be less likely to fumble it in the heat of the moment.

Although I would actually be interested in holding some kind of speed-run competition to see which does better. Surely somebody must have done that already though, right? InRange maybe?

[The Two Jerseys]

Sorry if this has already been done but I have a question for you all... Superior method of mag insertion/retention?

- Straight in (AR style)

- Rock in (AK style)

Obviously if you have a lot of practice doing it one way, that's the way you're going to find easier. But I think probably the AR is more intuitive. It seems like you'd be less likely to fumble it in the heat of the moment.

Although I would actually be interested in holding some kind of speed-run competition to see which does better. Surely somebody must have done that already though, right? InRange maybe?

I would've said that rock-in is more intuitive, I know when I plug something in to an electrical outlet or put a key into a lock I always have to sort of rock it in because it helps me align it with the hole.

[Pax Nerdvana]

It’s one of those things that just comes down to personal taste, I think. I like the AR style myself, although I’ve never handled an AK.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

It’s one of those things that just comes down to personal taste, I think. I like the AR style myself, although I’ve never handled an AK.

That and bad experiance with finicky rock 'n lock type mags on things other than AKs.

Looking real sus at some of the cheaper .22LR mags.

[Ithalian Empire]

It’s one of those things that just comes down to personal taste, I think. I like the AR style myself, although I’ve never handled an AK.

That and bad experiance with finicky rock 'n lock type mags on things other than AKs.

Looking real sus at some of the cheaper .22LR mags.

.22LR in a mag is always sus.

Also, I found Norma .223 in 30 round boxes for 18 dollars. Last time I bought ammo at a store it was 80 rounds of X-tax for like 90 dollars. If only I could find pistol ammo.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Finally got the chamber brush. Hopefully this’ll clear things up.

[Grinning Dragon]

Heard S&W is giving the middle finger to masshole and moving to Tennessee and Hogdon is closing their black powder factory in Camp Minden, La. Hogdon is the last American company that made black powder.

[Ithalian Empire]

Heard S&W is giving the middle finger to masshole and moving to Tennessee and Hogdon is closing their black powder factory in Camp Minden, La. Hogdon is the last American company that made black powder.

Yeah, they are closing the GOEX plant. Hogdon is still making black powder substitutes as far as I can see.

[Grinning Dragon]

Heard S&W is giving the middle finger to masshole and moving to Tennessee and Hodgdon is closing their black powder factory in Camp Minden, La. Hodgdon is the last American company that made black powder.

Yeah, they are closing the GOEX plant. Hodgdon is still making black powder substitutes as far as I can see.

Ahh. Looked it up and yeah, they are putting up GOEX for sale basically, also seems this particular plant has had safety issues going back to 1998 and with a recent explosion back in June might have put the final nail in the coffin for GOEX being under the Hodgdon umbrella.