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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
104
45%
5.45
15
7%
7.62x39
47
21%
.30 Carbine
15
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
6%
Other
35
15%
 
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:13 pm

M1911 in .300 Blackout. Discuss?

I mean, I know the Automag managed to tame .30 Carbine, and the OA-93 managed to make the .223 AR-pistol compact in albeit a broomhandle mauser style package.

Just wondering how it'd be for people's whose hands would fit around a STANAG-mag sized pistol-grip.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:22 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:So…does anyone know of a place where I can buy a real mace? By real I dont mean an original one made in the middle ages, I mean a reproduction that is just as durable. I’m not looking for a prop.


For all lawful purposes, Cold Steel makes one that sells for MSRP $100 US.


Damn, out of stock.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:16 am

Finally have my AR mostly together. Just need to order a new extractor spring
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Postby Mercatus » Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:38 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:M1911 in .300 Blackout. Discuss?

I mean, I know the Automag managed to tame .30 Carbine, and the OA-93 managed to make the .223 AR-pistol compact in albeit a broomhandle mauser style package.

Just wondering how it'd be for people's whose hands would fit around a STANAG-mag sized pistol-grip.


It’d be one fatass grip. If it was exclusive to .300 BLK, then the mag would be smaller than a normal 5.56 mag, and then make it single stack for the 1911 platform.

Come to think of it, even with recoil operation, would the pistol be able to handle the pressures of the round?
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:54 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:M1911 in .300 Blackout. Discuss?

I mean, I know the Automag managed to tame .30 Carbine, and the OA-93 managed to make the .223 AR-pistol compact in albeit a broomhandle mauser style package.

Just wondering how it'd be for people's whose hands would fit around a STANAG-mag sized pistol-grip.


It’d be one fatass grip. If it was exclusive to .300 BLK, then the mag would be smaller than a normal 5.56 mag, and then make it single stack for the 1911 platform.

Come to think of it, even with recoil operation, would the pistol be able to handle the pressures of the round?

Would probably need a gas or gas-delay system.

TBF, the Automag III managed, although those aren't quite the same, the case is for example 2mm shorter (gonna ignore overall length for now since you can load stubby boolits if it came to that, but listed CoaL is 43mm for the carbine and 57mm for blackout/.223 with case-bases being 9.1mm and 9.6nn respectively)
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:27 pm

Thinking about selling old hunting rifles and shotguns nobody uses anymore to expand my milsurp collection quickly.
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:47 pm

Punished UMN wrote:Thinking about selling old hunting rifles and shotguns nobody uses anymore to expand my milsurp collection quickly.


*Drags UMN offsite*

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:18 am

Punished UMN wrote:Thinking about selling old hunting rifles and shotguns nobody uses anymore to expand my milsurp collection quickly.


What do you have? And what are you trying to get?
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:38 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Thinking about selling old hunting rifles and shotguns nobody uses anymore to expand my milsurp collection quickly.


What do you have? And what are you trying to get?

I’d have to check the number, but just want to quickly raise the funds for a gew 98
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:43 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Krasny-Volny wrote:
What do you have? And what are you trying to get?

I’d have to check the number, but just want to quickly raise the funds for a gew 98


For some odd reason (at least out West) the price of bolt and lever action hunting rifles on the second hand market has far exceeded the proportional increase in price for MSRs. Older Winchester Model 94 30-30s and Winchester Model 70s used to be ~$400 and $600-$700 respectively in my area pre Covid but are now garnering over $1,000. The price of new bolt and lever action rifles has also gone up. Meanwhile MSRs have hit a plateau in price.

I’m guessing that’s because the second hand market is much more heavily saturated with second hand semi autos.

You may get a goodly sum if you flip em now.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:05 pm

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:I’d have to check the number, but just want to quickly raise the funds for a gew 98


For some odd reason (at least out West) the price of bolt and lever action hunting rifles on the second hand market has far exceeded the proportional increase in price for MSRs. Older Winchester Model 94 30-30s and Winchester Model 70s used to be ~$400 and $600-$700 respectively in my area pre Covid but are now garnering over $1,000. The price of new bolt and lever action rifles has also gone up. Meanwhile MSRs have hit a plateau in price.

I’m guessing that’s because the second hand market is much more heavily saturated with second hand semi autos.

You may get a goodly sum if you flip em now.

What would you recommend for a place of sale? I figure a pawn shop would fuck me over, but I'm not entirely sure where else I'd sell them. There's a gun show in late September in my county, but I always thought of those as more a place to sell collectibles.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:49 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Krasny-Volny wrote:
For some odd reason (at least out West) the price of bolt and lever action hunting rifles on the second hand market has far exceeded the proportional increase in price for MSRs. Older Winchester Model 94 30-30s and Winchester Model 70s used to be ~$400 and $600-$700 respectively in my area pre Covid but are now garnering over $1,000. The price of new bolt and lever action rifles has also gone up. Meanwhile MSRs have hit a plateau in price.

I’m guessing that’s because the second hand market is much more heavily saturated with second hand semi autos.

You may get a goodly sum if you flip em now.

What would you recommend for a place of sale? I figure a pawn shop would fuck me over, but I'm not entirely sure where else I'd sell them. There's a gun show in late September in my county, but I always thought of those as more a place to sell collectibles.

You could try Armslist or GunBroker or something like that. You can usually get more through a private sale then you could through selling to a pawn shop or something.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:06 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:What would you recommend for a place of sale? I figure a pawn shop would fuck me over, but I'm not entirely sure where else I'd sell them. There's a gun show in late September in my county, but I always thought of those as more a place to sell collectibles.

You could try Armslist or GunBroker or something like that. You can usually get more through a private sale then you could through selling to a pawn shop or something.


+1. If you’re really trying to squeeze out top dollar, go Gunbroker or Armslist and specify you’re willing to ship to an FFL nationwide.

Also people do buy those guns at gun shows, half of the guns I see at the ones in my area are commercial bolt or lever action rifles, with the remainder being milsurps or MSRs. Feel free to just walk around with a price tag stuck on your guns if you don’t want to shell out for a booth; every time I’ve walked around one of those shows with a slung rifle I’ve always attracted a couple potentially interested buyers.

You could also sell consignment through your local gun store, mine takes a 30% cut of the money that they’re honest enough to stick to even if they decide to mark up.

Pawn shops will lowball you unless you really know the guys there.
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Postby Mercatus » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:40 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:You could try Armslist or GunBroker or something like that. You can usually get more through a private sale then you could through selling to a pawn shop or something.


+1. If you’re really trying to squeeze out top dollar, go Gunbroker or Armslist and specify you’re willing to ship to an FFL nationwide.

Also people do buy those guns at gun shows, half of the guns I see at the ones in my area are commercial bolt or lever action rifles, with the remainder being milsurps or MSRs. Feel free to just walk around with a price tag stuck on your guns if you don’t want to shell out for a booth; every time I’ve walked around one of those shows with a slung rifle I’ve always attracted a couple potentially interested buyers.

You could also sell consignment through your local gun store, mine takes a 30% cut of the money that they’re honest enough to stick to even if they decide to mark up.

Pawn shops will lowball you unless you really know the guys there.


Cue the Pawn Stars memes.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:32 am

I'm really strongly tempted to build a handgonne so I can own a very literal boom stick.
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Mercatus wrote:
Krasny-Volny wrote:
+1. If you’re really trying to squeeze out top dollar, go Gunbroker or Armslist and specify you’re willing to ship to an FFL nationwide.

Also people do buy those guns at gun shows, half of the guns I see at the ones in my area are commercial bolt or lever action rifles, with the remainder being milsurps or MSRs. Feel free to just walk around with a price tag stuck on your guns if you don’t want to shell out for a booth; every time I’ve walked around one of those shows with a slung rifle I’ve always attracted a couple potentially interested buyers.

You could also sell consignment through your local gun store, mine takes a 30% cut of the money that they’re honest enough to stick to even if they decide to mark up.

Pawn shops will lowball you unless you really know the guys there.


Cue the Pawn Stars memes.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:56 am

Chernoslavia wrote:So…does anyone know of a place where I can buy a real mace? By real I dont mean an original one made in the middle ages, I mean a reproduction that is just as durable. I’m not looking for a prop.


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Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm really strongly tempted to build a handgonne so I can own a very literal boom stick.

Those things are cool. That’d be a fun winter project.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:42 pm

Replaced the extractor spring in my AR. Silly thing still won’t extract dummy rounds right. I can’t think of what else to do.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:00 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Replaced the extractor spring in my AR. Silly thing still won’t extract dummy rounds right. I can’t think of what else to do.

Polish the chamber?

It could also be the dummy round is engaging the rifling (or other fouling) at the end of the chamber-throat.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:18 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Replaced the extractor spring in my AR. Silly thing still won’t extract dummy rounds right. I can’t think of what else to do.

Polish the chamber?

It could also be the dummy round is engaging the rifling (or other fouling) at the end of the chamber-throat.

I did try running a cleaning brush down the barrel and chamber, but I haven’t tried polishing it. How would I do that?
Thanks
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:54 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Polish the chamber?

It could also be the dummy round is engaging the rifling (or other fouling) at the end of the chamber-throat.

I did try running a cleaning brush down the barrel and chamber, but I haven’t tried polishing it. How would I do that?
Thanks

Does the extractor engage the rim of the casing at all?
One can use a wire chamber brush and rod and wrap scotchbright around the brush and put some polish compound on it end attach the other end to a cordless drill and let it spin inside the chamber for bit. Another way would be to use a slightly larger chamber brush and wrap a cleaning patch around the brush and apply polish compound to that and spin it with a drill.

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Postby Lazarine » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:13 am

Im not much of a gun expert and I would like to be but can somebody for the love of God tell me why the hell does everyone hate:
- Hi-Point
- Bullpups
- H&K (the company)

I keep seeing the hate on it, I understand the hate for the NRA and whatever that other association is I forgot the name off since Im not America. It is also perfectly reasonable to go on a tangent rant or a 3 page exposition paper on why you or why people hate it, i want to learn more
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Lazarine wrote:Im not much of a gun expert and I would like to be but can somebody for the love of God tell me why the hell does everyone hate:
- Hi-Point
- Bullpups
- H&K (the company)

I keep seeing the hate on it, I understand the hate for the NRA and whatever that other association is I forgot the name off since Im not America. It is also perfectly reasonable to go on a tangent rant or a 3 page exposition paper on why you or why people hate it, i want to learn more


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