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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
104
45%
5.45
15
7%
7.62x39
47
21%
.30 Carbine
15
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
6%
Other
35
15%
 
Total votes : 229

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:03 am

Mercatus wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I usually use those ear plugs that look like a Christmas tree when shooting smaller bore firearms, the bigger bore firearms I'll throw on a set of muffs for added protection.
To the other two with fucked up hearing, I'm in the same boat, when I was younger, I too hardly used hearing protection and have the same "eeeeeeeee" constant ringing.


I think the word we are looking for is Tinnitus.

Yeah, fuck that guy. HA
Its funner and easier to type 'eeeee' :p

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Postby The Chuck » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:02 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
I think the word we are looking for is Tinnitus.

Yeah, fuck that guy. HA
Its funner and easier to type 'eeeee' :p


Even though I am young... I got the eeeee going from being a trombonist in a band... fucking trumpet, tuba, and drum players behind me... >:( lol.
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Postby Mercatus » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:00 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Yeah, fuck that guy. HA
Its funner and easier to type 'eeeee' :p


Even though I am young... I got the eeeee going from being a trombonist in a band... fucking trumpet, tuba, and drum players behind me... >:( lol.


I get the ‘eeeeeee’ sometimes because I grew up in close proximity to F-15Es taking off, landing, flying over and breaking the sound barrier. Those were fun times. I should also mention that when I used to live in Florida during preschool the Blue Angels would fly over just about every day.

Also, we need to launch a petition to change the professional name of Tinnitus to ‘eeeeeeeee’

It’d be funny watching doctors across the country diagnose someone with “the eeeeeee”
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:08 am

Mercatus wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Even though I am young... I got the eeeee going from being a trombonist in a band... fucking trumpet, tuba, and drum players behind me... >:( lol.


I get the ‘eeeeeee’ sometimes because I grew up in close proximity to F-15Es taking off, landing, flying over and breaking the sound barrier. Those were fun times. I should also mention that when I used to live in Florida during preschool the Blue Angels would fly over just about every day.

Also, we need to launch a petition to change the professional name of Tinnitus to ‘eeeeeeeee’

It’d be funny watching doctors across the country diagnose someone with “the eeeeeee”

I concur.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:11 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Count yourself lucky. You must be the only gun owner without tinnitus.
Ouch, that’s gotta hurt.

Not really, I blacked out until I was offloaded from the back of a pickup-truck and carried into the ER.

Getting speedy-jabbed with IV-needles when they think you're a cadaver is also painful and not recommended.

I’m glad you survived that.
Mercatus wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Even though I am young... I got the eeeee going from being a trombonist in a band... fucking trumpet, tuba, and drum players behind me... >:( lol.


I get the ‘eeeeeee’ sometimes because I grew up in close proximity to F-15Es taking off, landing, flying over and breaking the sound barrier. Those were fun times. I should also mention that when I used to live in Florida during preschool the Blue Angels would fly over just about every day.

Also, we need to launch a petition to change the professional name of Tinnitus to ‘eeeeeeeee’

It’d be funny watching doctors across the country diagnose someone with “the eeeeeee”

It’s also much more descriptive then tinnitus
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:34 am

Very interesting...
The Miculek Magnetic Buffer System for AR-15 Rifles

The Miculek Magnetic Buffer System is a unique design using magnetic polarity to dampen the recoil impulse....
The strength of the dampening action of the MMBS is selectable with a screw that adjusts how much force is needed to depress the magnetic piston. The farther in you adjust the screw, the more force it takes to compress the buffer. That lets you tune your rifle as needed for the force of your recoil spring, the weight of your ammo, the effects of a suppressor, whatever.

JDAS recommends tuning with a single round in a magazine. Shoot your rifle and if the action doesn’t lock back on the empty magazine, adjust the buffer with a counter-clockwise half-turn of the adjustment screw to lighten the tension. Repeat until the rifle locks back reliably...

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:58 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Very interesting...
The Miculek Magnetic Buffer System for AR-15 Rifles

The Miculek Magnetic Buffer System is a unique design using magnetic polarity to dampen the recoil impulse....
The strength of the dampening action of the MMBS is selectable with a screw that adjusts how much force is needed to depress the magnetic piston. The farther in you adjust the screw, the more force it takes to compress the buffer. That lets you tune your rifle as needed for the force of your recoil spring, the weight of your ammo, the effects of a suppressor, whatever.

JDAS recommends tuning with a single round in a magazine. Shoot your rifle and if the action doesn’t lock back on the empty magazine, adjust the buffer with a counter-clockwise half-turn of the adjustment screw to lighten the tension. Repeat until the rifle locks back reliably...

Somebody call Kuntzman. He may be safe now.

Lol, I was thinking the exact same thing as that guy.

But seriously, it's an interesting idea, I'm curious to see if it catches on.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:51 pm

Practiced some with an airsoft gun the other day. I don’t seem to have any recoil flinch, so yay. I guess shooting BB guns for all those years paid off.

On a related note, does anyone know anything about Sheridan air rifles? I got what appears to be one from one of my uncles, but it doesn’t have any markings as far as I can tell. Based on pictures, it seems to be an early Bluestreak, but again, no markings.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:58 am

With Russian ammo being sanctioned I wonder if the days of cheap steel are over.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:35 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:With Russian ammo being sanctioned I wonder if the days of cheap steel are over.


Cheap steel hasn't been a thing for nearly a decade now, just cheaper then brass.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:39 am

I’m just glad I don’t have a 5.45. Feel bad for the folks who do.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:04 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I’m just glad I don’t have a 5.45. Feel bad for the folks who do.

Someone should probably check on Brandon Herrera...

EDIT: He's still alive, we just got an Emergency Gun Meme Review.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:32 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I’m just glad I don’t have a 5.45. Feel bad for the folks who do.

Someone should probably check on Brandon Herrera...

EDIT: He's still alive, we just got an Emergency Gun Meme Review.

Saw that. Two GMRs in a row. A welcome surprise.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:06 am

So what do you guys think are the odds that this Russian ammo ban spawns some startup domestic manufacturers who go the Coker Tire route in catering to the niche market?
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:34 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:So what do you guys think are the odds that this Russian ammo ban spawns some startup domestic manufacturers who go the Coker Tire route in catering to the niche market?

I think there’s a decent chance of that happening. Probably none of the big manufacturers.
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Postby Mercatus » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:10 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So what do you guys think are the odds that this Russian ammo ban spawns some startup domestic manufacturers who go the Coker Tire route in catering to the niche market?

I think there’s a decent chance of that happening. Probably none of the big manufacturers.


Wolf has factories in Ukraine, so hopefully they will start importing from there in a larger volume.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:07 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I think there’s a decent chance of that happening. Probably none of the big manufacturers.


Wolf has factories in Ukraine, so hopefully they will start importing from there in a larger volume.

Cheap(er) Slavic steel may not be dead yet boys!

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Postby Mercatus » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:36 pm

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Mercatus wrote:
Wolf has factories in Ukraine, so hopefully they will start importing from there in a larger volume.

Cheap(er) Slavic steel may not be dead yet boys!

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We can get 7.62 practically everywhere. It’s mostly 5.45 and 9x39 that could disappear completely if a new source isn’t found.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:03 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:*laughs in Iraqi brass-cased 7.62x39*


We can get 7.62 practically everywhere. It’s mostly 5.45 and 9x39 that could disappear completely if a new source isn’t found.

Are there even any American companies that make 5.45?
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Postby Mercatus » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:04 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
We can get 7.62 practically everywhere. It’s mostly 5.45 and 9x39 that could disappear completely if a new source isn’t found.

Are there even any American companies that make 5.45?


Hornady makes a V-MAX load for it, but the point of combloc guns is to provide ruggedness and combat-proven performance while being cheap to feed. Hornady is the exact opposite of cheap.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:56 am

Mercatus wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are there even any American companies that make 5.45?


Hornady makes a V-MAX load for it, but the point of combloc guns is to provide ruggedness and combat-proven performance while being cheap to feed. Hornady is the exact opposite of cheap.

I bought a single box of 5.56 Hornady Frontier on sale, and it was like $10. MSRP is like $24 right now.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:22 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are there even any American companies that make 5.45?


Hornady makes a V-MAX load for it, but the point of combloc guns is to provide ruggedness and combat-proven performance while being cheap to feed. Hornady is the exact opposite of cheap.


The idea of high end 5.45 is a bit odd. Accurized AR-15s costing thousands are very common, but very few people do that with an AK-74 type. AR-15 hunting is very common, while few hunt with AK-74 type guns.

People use 5.45 for cheap plinking more than as a multi purpose caliber. Personally I just stick to .22 long rifle if killing a lot of paper on the cheap (it is cheaper and more versatile) but there are some who use the 5.45. It is more niche, even less common than the 7.62x39, which is itself niche compared to the 7.62x51 NATO.

That is part of the issue for it, how much profit you can make off it. The big old Soviet factories suppling the Russian military could dump their excess production at a low price, they did not care as much about actually making money as simply maintaining production numbers and advancing the interests of the Russian government.
And also because hard currency meant more for them.

American companies are not as interested, unlike 5.56 NATO they have few government customers (the Russian military would never buy American and the is little to no legal Russian civilian market, and Russia would almost certainly never let it in. Plus they do all their busses in dollars anyways, so dollars are less valuable to them.

5.45 from Russia was “cheap” because of several special circumstances, not purely market based.

So the issue is can American companies actually sell it a price people will pay for it (which is not very high, people wanting to spend more generally simply use other calibers). The demand for 5.45 is probably far more elastic than for 5.56.

So it will be interesting to see how this plays out in that regard. It is not just a factor of there being demand, but also the elasticity of that demand.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:07 pm

So…does anyone know of a place where I can buy a real mace? By real I dont mean an original one made in the middle ages, I mean a reproduction that is just as durable. I’m not looking for a prop.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:00 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:So…does anyone know of a place where I can buy a real mace? By real I dont mean an original one made in the middle ages, I mean a reproduction that is just as durable. I’m not looking for a prop.


For all lawful purposes, Cold Steel makes one that sells for MSRP $100 US.

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