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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
126
45%
5.45
16
6%
7.62x39
61
22%
.30 Carbine
20
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
5%
Other
45
16%
 
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:42 am

Apparently there is a guy that reproduces the OG Edgewater buffers for early AR clones. Does this guy have any contact info or a website maybe? If it’s even true...
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:19 am

I’m thinking about changing up the poll. Any suggestions?
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:48 pm

Need opinions on those who handled the GSG MP40.

I recently put it in layaway and, well, I am going to be stuck with it regardless, so I want to know what to expect when I start using the firearm.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:43 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:Need opinions on those who handled the GSG MP40.

I recently put it in layaway and, well, I am going to be stuck with it regardless, so I want to know what to expect when I start using the firearm.

Have not fired the MP40, but have fired the GSG-15. With GSG products in general, here's the deal: they're plinking toys. Nothing more. Cheaply made, and prone to have serious malfunctions after 1000 rounds or so. For the MP40 specifically, one of the top reviews on Cabelas details how after about 1000 rounds of plinking the breach guide broke.

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So, expect some fun plinking (GSG makes accurate plinkers), but also expect serious issues down the line.


Now, on another note, where do y'all lie on the 6.5 Creedmoor v.s .308 debate?
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Postby Germanic Templars » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:07 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Need opinions on those who handled the GSG MP40.

I recently put it in layaway and, well, I am going to be stuck with it regardless, so I want to know what to expect when I start using the firearm.

Have not fired the MP40, but have fired the GSG-15. With GSG products in general, here's the deal: they're plinking toys. Nothing more. Cheaply made, and prone to have serious malfunctions after 1000 rounds or so. For the MP40 specifically, one of the top reviews on Cabelas details how after about 1000 rounds of plinking the breach guide broke.

Image

So, expect some fun plinking (GSG makes accurate plinkers), but also expect serious issues down the line.


Now, on another note, where do y'all lie on the 6.5 Creedmoor v.s .308 debate?


So buy spare parts for it... got it. Unfortunately not those that can be used in an original MP-40 or FPB-9.

Edit: .308 because of availability, imo.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:17 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:.308 because of availability, imo.

I have a Savage Arms Model 10T-SR in 6.5 Creed. Surprisingly, there aren't really availability issues up here in Canada. Not yet, anyways.
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Postby Mercatus » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:29 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I’m thinking about changing up the poll. Any suggestions?


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Postby Krasny-Volny » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:58 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Need opinions on those who handled the GSG MP40.

I recently put it in layaway and, well, I am going to be stuck with it regardless, so I want to know what to expect when I start using the firearm.

Have not fired the MP40, but have fired the GSG-15. With GSG products in general, here's the deal: they're plinking toys. Nothing more. Cheaply made, and prone to have serious malfunctions after 1000 rounds or so. For the MP40 specifically, one of the top reviews on Cabelas details how after about 1000 rounds of plinking the breach guide broke.

Image

So, expect some fun plinking (GSG makes accurate plinkers), but also expect serious issues down the line.


Now, on another note, where do y'all lie on the 6.5 Creedmoor v.s .308 debate?


Owned both chambered in bolt-action hunting rifles. This time last year I had a Savage 6.5 and a Ruger .308.

Sold the 6.5 and kept the .308. Mostly because I liked the Ruger action and ergonomics better, but ammo wise:

1) I like the more powerful .308 round for use on larger game like elk. Dunno if I trust the 6.5 to put down a big bull effectively. And if I ever win the lottery and draw for black bear or moose there’s no way in hell I was going to use the 6.5.

2) I own a couple different rifles chambered for .308, and plan on buying more. With more firearms chambered for that cartridge, it makes sense to go for .308 if you want commonality with the other rifles in your collection.

3) I can find .308 anywhere and everywhere, sometimes get a really good deal on it too. 6.5 is less common, and is on sale less often. Because it was a relatively new cartridge I couldn’t just go to a gun show and buy massive amounts of new old stock and surplus in bulk at cool prices like I could pre-Covid.

I don’t regret selling the 6.5, but here’s the big advantage over .308 - it’ll kill anything deer-sized and smaller just as effectively as a .308, with lighter recoil.

I didn’t care about recoil and was more interested in a bigger cartridge that was more powerful and more accurate. That plus the logistical reasons I already went over is why I went with the .308.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:01 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I’m thinking about changing up the poll. Any suggestions?


Favorite intermediate cartridge?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:05 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Have not fired the MP40, but have fired the GSG-15. With GSG products in general, here's the deal: they're plinking toys. Nothing more. Cheaply made, and prone to have serious malfunctions after 1000 rounds or so. For the MP40 specifically, one of the top reviews on Cabelas details how after about 1000 rounds of plinking the breach guide broke.

Image

So, expect some fun plinking (GSG makes accurate plinkers), but also expect serious issues down the line.


Now, on another note, where do y'all lie on the 6.5 Creedmoor v.s .308 debate?


Owned both chambered in bolt-action hunting rifles. This time last year I had a Savage 6.5 and a Ruger .308.

Sold the 6.5 and kept the .308. Mostly because I liked the Ruger action and ergonomics better, but ammo wise:

1) I like the more powerful .308 round for use on larger game like elk. Dunno if I trust the 6.5 to put down a big bull effectively. And if I ever win the lottery and draw for black bear or moose there’s no way in hell I was going to use the 6.5.

2) I own a couple different rifles chambered for .308, and plan on buying more. With more firearms chambered for that cartridge, it makes sense to go for .308 if you want commonality with the other rifles in your collection.

3) I can find .308 anywhere and everywhere, sometimes get a really good deal on it too. 6.5 is less common, and is on sale less often. Because it was a relatively new cartridge I couldn’t just go to a gun show and buy massive amounts of new old stock and surplus in bulk at cool prices like I could pre-Covid.

I don’t regret selling the 6.5, but here’s the big advantage over .308 - it’ll kill anything deer-sized and smaller just as effectively as a .308, with lighter recoil.

I didn’t care about recoil and was more interested in a bigger cartridge that was more powerful and more accurate. That plus the logistical reasons I already went over is why I went with the .308.

I've been considering trading in my current 10T-SR for one chambered in .308, which Cabelas could help me facilitate, as they're selling that 10-T-SR.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:29 pm

Hey what's the general view on Hi-Point, Taurus, and Ruger handguns?

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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:31 pm

Genivaria wrote:Hey what's the general view on Hi-Point, Taurus, and Ruger handguns?

Aren't those literally the meme companies?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:36 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Hey what's the general view on Hi-Point, Taurus, and Ruger handguns?

Aren't those literally the meme companies?

You're talking to a gun neophyte.

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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:38 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Aren't those literally the meme companies?

You're talking to a gun neophyte.

I'm pretty sure those are the handgun brands that are commonly derided as pieces of shit, but I'm not familiar enough that you should take my word as gospel.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:38 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You're talking to a gun neophyte.

I'm pretty sure those are the handgun brands that are commonly derided as pieces of shit, but I'm not familiar enough that you should take my word as gospel.

Fair.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:47 pm

Hi-Points are unironically good. They're cheap and not very comfortable, but god damn they will never stop working.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:50 pm

Genivaria wrote:Hey what's the general view on Hi-Point, Taurus, and Ruger handguns?

While I've never owned a Hi-Point, I do however own several Taurus and Ruger handguns, and they have been solid performers and eat any ammo I've used, the times I've had feed issues was due to the included magazines, using magazines from say Wilson Combat never had a feed issue again.

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Postby Mercatus » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Hi-Points are unironically good. They're cheap and not very comfortable, but god damn they will never stop working.


Sorry, Makarov, but the title of “The AK of Pistols” simply must go to the Hi-Point.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:07 am

Mercatus wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Hi-Points are unironically good. They're cheap and not very comfortable, but god damn they will never stop working.


Sorry, Makarov, but the title of “The AK of Pistols” simply must go to the Hi-Point.

Except AKs are actually cool-looking. At least to me.
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Postby Mercatus » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:51 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
Sorry, Makarov, but the title of “The AK of Pistols” simply must go to the Hi-Point.

Except AKs are actually cool-looking. At least to me.


I’m a strange man with strange tastes. If painted properly, Hi-Point pistols can look kinda cool.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:04 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Except AKs are actually cool-looking. At least to me.


I’m a strange man with strange tastes. If painted properly, Hi-Point pistols can look kinda cool.

There’s only 3 acceptable styles of paint jobs one can have on a hi-point

1: Gold spray paint

2: Hydro-dipped hundred dollas

3: badly down custom American flag paint.

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Postby Mercatus » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:56 am

Adamede wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
I’m a strange man with strange tastes. If painted properly, Hi-Point pistols can look kinda cool.

There’s only 3 acceptable styles of paint jobs one can have on a hi-point

1: Gold spray paint

2: Hydro-dipped hundred dollas

3: badly down custom American flag paint.


Indeed. Or the Yeet Cannon G1.

By the way, anyone have any knowledge as to HPs plan for the actual Yeet Cannon? Haven’t heard anything about it in a while.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:41 am

Mercatus wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I’m thinking about changing up the poll. Any suggestions?


Favorite improvised firearms/home gunsmithing books.

I’ve read a fair few of them, pretty great stuff.

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I’m thinking about changing up the poll. Any suggestions?


Favorite intermediate cartridge?

Both are great ideas.

Did some plinking over the weekend. I had a really unusual malfunction with my Marlin M60. Got one round off, then it stopped resetting the trigger/firing pin. Ended up taking the thing apart, and found out that the little firing pin spring had somehow come loose. It ran flawlessly when that spring got put back.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:09 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
Favorite improvised firearms/home gunsmithing books.

I’ve read a fair few of them, pretty great stuff.

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Favorite intermediate cartridge?

Both are great ideas.

Did some plinking over the weekend. I had a really unusual malfunction with my Marlin M60. Got one round off, then it stopped resetting the trigger/firing pin. Ended up taking the thing apart, and found out that the little firing pin spring had somehow come loose. It ran flawlessly when that spring got put back.

I thought the model 60 had a similar bolt to the 795... which doesn't have a firing pin spring. It's hammer-fired.

Granted, that part is a drop-in sheet metal assembly.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:48 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Both are great ideas.

Did some plinking over the weekend. I had a really unusual malfunction with my Marlin M60. Got one round off, then it stopped resetting the trigger/firing pin. Ended up taking the thing apart, and found out that the little firing pin spring had somehow come loose. It ran flawlessly when that spring got put back.

I thought the model 60 had a similar bolt to the 795... which doesn't have a firing pin spring. It's hammer-fired.

Granted, that part is a drop-in sheet metal assembly.

I could be completely wrong about the firing mechanism. I haven’t taken it completely apart yet, although I will sooner or later.
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
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