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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
126
45%
5.45
16
6%
7.62x39
61
22%
.30 Carbine
20
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
5%
Other
45
16%
 
Total votes : 281

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:50 am

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I mean, imagine a revolver with an exposed hammer, that hammer is less than an inch long, and we cock it with our thumb.

That's true. With a stronger spring, it'd be almost impossible to pull the hammer back.

Unless used as a safety feature or bad design a revolver's hammer is pretty easy to set depending on your hand size and shape. The action also impacts it. A TRUE double action will have a fairly standard hammer cocking requirement but trigger cocking can leave a nasty mark on your finger.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:26 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:That's true. With a stronger spring, it'd be almost impossible to pull the hammer back.

Unless used as a safety feature or bad design a revolver's hammer is pretty easy to set depending on your hand size and shape. The action also impacts it. A TRUE double action will have a fairly standard hammer cocking requirement but trigger cocking can leave a nasty mark on your finger.

That makes sense.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:54 am

Got my annual bonus today (thank you, President Trump!) and now I have money burning a hole in my pocket. Seriously looking at a Glock 40 MOS. Maybe a new rifle. Maybe both and several more. Depends on what I can smuggle past the wife.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 am

Big Jim P wrote:Got my annual bonus today (thank you, President Trump!) and now I have money burning a hole in my pocket. Seriously looking at a Glock 40 MOS. Maybe a new rifle. Maybe both and several more. Depends on what I can smuggle past the wife.


Awesome!
My stance is, better to ask forgiveness and just buy them anyways.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:38 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Got my annual bonus today (thank you, President Trump!) and now I have money burning a hole in my pocket. Seriously looking at a Glock 40 MOS. Maybe a new rifle. Maybe both and several more. Depends on what I can smuggle past the wife.


Awesome!
My stance is, better to ask forgiveness and just buy them anyways.

Isn't the old saying "better to ask for forgiveness then to ask for permission"?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:54 am

Big Jim P wrote:Got my annual bonus today (thank you, President Trump!) and now I have money burning a hole in my pocket. Seriously looking at a Glock 40 MOS. Maybe a new rifle. Maybe both and several more. Depends on what I can smuggle past the wife.


Cool. I would go with the Glock. Easier to smuggle by the wifey ;)

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:58 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Awesome!
My stance is, better to ask forgiveness and just buy them anyways.

Isn't the old saying "better to ask for forgiveness then to ask for permission"?

That is the saying. However by using the whole quote would imply I need to ask my wife permission and would imply she's my boss instead of my equal, which is why I left the half of the quote off.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Isn't the old saying "better to ask for forgiveness then to ask for permission"?

That is the saying. However by using the whole quote would imply I need to ask my wife permission and would imply she's my boss instead of my equal, which is why I left the half of the quote off.

Ok, that makes sense.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:42 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Isn't the old saying "better to ask for forgiveness then to ask for permission"?

That is the saying. However by using the whole quote would imply I need to ask my wife permission and would imply she's my boss instead of my equal, which is why I left the half of the quote off.


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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:07 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Got my annual bonus today (thank you, President Trump!) and now I have money burning a hole in my pocket. Seriously looking at a Glock 40 MOS. Maybe a new rifle. Maybe both and several more. Depends on what I can smuggle past the wife.


Cool. I would go with the Glock. Easier to smuggle by the wifey ;)

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I see what you did there.
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Postby Dylar » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:04 pm

TFW you buy a Mosin, notice it doesn't have a front barrel band, buy a new front barrel band and then later learn that you have to take the front sight off the barrel with a brass punch, which you then have to order off the web, so that you can finally put the band on the barrel...
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:08 pm

Dylar wrote:TFW you buy a Mosin, notice it doesn't have a front barrel band, buy a new front barrel band and then later learn that you have to take the front sight off the barrel with a brass punch, which you then have to order off the web, so that you can finally put the band on the barrel...

Da, is good design, prevent idiot peasant from mess with rifle!
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Postby Dylar » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:19 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Dylar wrote:TFW you buy a Mosin, notice it doesn't have a front barrel band, buy a new front barrel band and then later learn that you have to take the front sight off the barrel with a brass punch, which you then have to order off the web, so that you can finally put the band on the barrel...

Da, is good design, prevent idiot peasant from mess with rifle!

I just want to shoot rifle without it breaking товарищ
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:02 pm

Dylar wrote:TFW you buy a Mosin, notice it doesn't have a front barrel band, buy a new front barrel band and then later learn that you have to take the front sight off the barrel with a brass punch, which you then have to order off the web, so that you can finally put the band on the barrel...

You can stab-tap the front sight off with bayonet.

Then tap-stab it back on.

Flat-head screwdrivers work too.

Think more soviet, comrade!

Trust me, you aren't going to mar the metal any more than when they punched the serial-numbers in... and chances are you aren't trying to whack the sight off with a five pound sledge, anyways. Once you get the point on the sweet-spot of the dovertail so it won't bind, you can tap it off by fistng the back of a screwdriver. Bayonet just happens to also be screwdriver.

If you still manage to break it that way... using a brass punch instead would not have saved you or that rifle. Use less hammer.

If you managed to stab youself with the screwdriver you should probably lay off the vodka and focus on holding rifle so it won't twist when you tap it.

Accidentally shooting yourself while removing the front sight ist sehr verboten.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:27 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Dylar wrote:TFW you buy a Mosin, notice it doesn't have a front barrel band, buy a new front barrel band and then later learn that you have to take the front sight off the barrel with a brass punch, which you then have to order off the web, so that you can finally put the band on the barrel...

Da, is good design, prevent idiot peasant from mess with rifle!


Have you ever seen the screws in a MAS-36?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:32 am

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Da, is good design, prevent idiot peasant from mess with rifle!


Have you ever seen the screws in a MAS-36?

Knowing the French and their weirdness when it comes to machinery, I'm guessing they're a unique head design that requires a special screwdriver.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they reverse-threaded them for shits and giggles.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:51 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Have you ever seen the screws in a MAS-36?

Knowing the French and their weirdness when it comes to machinery, I'm guessing they're a unique head design that requires a special screwdriver.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they reverse-threaded them for shits and giggles.


Wow it’s almost as if you own French milsurp or something. :p

I don’t know specifically about the MAS-36 screws but the sentiment behind this comment is so accurate it’s not even funny. Older French rifles and handguns seem to have been designed for maximum incompatibility - right down to the smallest detail - with the rest of the world in mind. I’m almost wondering if this was intentional.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:40 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Knowing the French and their weirdness when it comes to machinery, I'm guessing they're a unique head design that requires a special screwdriver.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they reverse-threaded them for shits and giggles.


Wow it’s almost as if you own French milsurp or something. :p

I don’t know specifically about the MAS-36 screws but the sentiment behind this comment is so accurate it’s not even funny. Older French rifles and handguns seem to have been designed for maximum incompatibility - right down to the smallest detail - with the rest of the world in mind. I’m almost wondering if this was intentional.

Probably knowing the French. Presumably they thought their guns were superior to all others, and thus thought they shouldn't mix with other guns.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:48 am

Thought this was an interesting note.
U.S. Firearms Sales: February 2020 Unit Sales Again Increase Drastically
Small Arms Analytics & Forecasting (SAAF) estimates February 2020 U.S. firearms unit sales at 1,357,643 units, a year-over-year increase of 17.3% from February 2019.

Likely single handgun sales (793,301) increased year-over-year by 19.5% whereas single long-gun sales (441,516) increased year-over-year by 12.4%. All other likely background check-related sales (122,826) increased year-over-year by 22.1%. This includes so-called “multiple” sales where the allocation between handguns and long-guns cannot be determined from the data record.
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I also suspect the continued firearm purchase drive is by mostly women, since more and more women are taking firearm self defense classes.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:52 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Thought this was an interesting note.
U.S. Firearms Sales: February 2020 Unit Sales Again Increase Drastically
Small Arms Analytics & Forecasting (SAAF) estimates February 2020 U.S. firearms unit sales at 1,357,643 units, a year-over-year increase of 17.3% from February 2019.

Likely single handgun sales (793,301) increased year-over-year by 19.5% whereas single long-gun sales (441,516) increased year-over-year by 12.4%. All other likely background check-related sales (122,826) increased year-over-year by 22.1%. This includes so-called “multiple” sales where the allocation between handguns and long-guns cannot be determined from the data record.
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I also suspect the continued firearm purchase drive is by mostly women, since more and more women are taking firearm self defense classes.

That's neat!
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:40 am

Well now then.
One online retailer witnesses an exponential increase in ammo sales as COVID-19 hits US
HARVEY, La., March 6, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- As the Coronavirus (COVID-19) hits the US, it's not just hand sanitizer and flu medications that are flying off the shelves. While Walmart and Target are running out of emergency essentials and "currently unavailable" is popping up on various Amazon searches, the rush to be prepared has also reached the ammunition industry.


When compared to the 11 days before February 23 (February 12 to 22), in the 11 days after (February 23 to March 4), Ammo.com's number of transactions increased 68% and the company has seen a conversation rate increase of 45%.

Alex Horsman, the marketing manager at Ammo.com, said of the surge, "We know certain things impact ammo sales, mostly political events or economic instability when people feel their rights may end up infringed, but this is our first experience with a virus leading to such a boost in sales." Horsman continued, "But it makes sense. A lot of our customers like to be prepared. And for many of them, it's not just facemasks and TheraFlu. It's knowing that no matter what happens, they can keep themselves and their families safe."

When it comes to actual sales, Ammo.com's increase varied among calibers and brands. Calibers that saw the largest increase include:

40 cal (S&W) ammo: 410%
223 ammo: 194%
7.62x39 ammo: 114%
9mm ammo: 101%
12 gauge shotgun shells: 95%
5.56x45 ammo: 69%
380 ACP (Auto) ammo: 43%
45 Auto (ACP) ammo: 35%
308 Winchester ammo: 32%
22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo: 29%

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:43 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now then.
One online retailer witnesses an exponential increase in ammo sales as COVID-19 hits US
HARVEY, La., March 6, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- As the Coronavirus (COVID-19) hits the US, it's not just hand sanitizer and flu medications that are flying off the shelves. While Walmart and Target are running out of emergency essentials and "currently unavailable" is popping up on various Amazon searches, the rush to be prepared has also reached the ammunition industry.


When compared to the 11 days before February 23 (February 12 to 22), in the 11 days after (February 23 to March 4), Ammo.com's number of transactions increased 68% and the company has seen a conversation rate increase of 45%.

Alex Horsman, the marketing manager at Ammo.com, said of the surge, "We know certain things impact ammo sales, mostly political events or economic instability when people feel their rights may end up infringed, but this is our first experience with a virus leading to such a boost in sales." Horsman continued, "But it makes sense. A lot of our customers like to be prepared. And for many of them, it's not just facemasks and TheraFlu. It's knowing that no matter what happens, they can keep themselves and their families safe."

When it comes to actual sales, Ammo.com's increase varied among calibers and brands. Calibers that saw the largest increase include:

40 cal (S&W) ammo: 410%
223 ammo: 194%
7.62x39 ammo: 114%
9mm ammo: 101%
12 gauge shotgun shells: 95%
5.56x45 ammo: 69%
380 ACP (Auto) ammo: 43%
45 Auto (ACP) ammo: 35%
308 Winchester ammo: 32%
22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo: 29%

I don't actually find that too surprisng. People need ammo to defend themselves from looters and mobs.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:44 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Have you ever seen the screws in a MAS-36?

Knowing the French and their weirdness when it comes to machinery, I'm guessing they're a unique head design that requires a special screwdriver.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they reverse-threaded them for shits and giggles.


They were pretty effective though.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:51 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:

I don't actually find that too surprising. People need ammo to defend themselves from looters and mobs.

While I understand that and support. I always buy ammo whether I need it or not all throughout the year, that way I have a nice stock pile and don't need to worry about panic buying.
The ol parable "The Ant and the Grasshopper" has always stuck with me.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:55 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I don't actually find that too surprising. People need ammo to defend themselves from looters and mobs.

While I understand that and support. I always buy ammo whether I need it or not all throughout the year, that way I have a nice stock pile and don't need to worry about panic buying.
The ol parable "The Ant and the Grasshopper" has always stuck with me.

Your approach is definitely the better way to do things.
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