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Favorite style of muzzleloader?

Kentucky/Pennsylvania Longrifle
7
33%
Hawken
6
29%
Jaeger
2
10%
Brown Bess
4
19%
Other
2
10%
 
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:20 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:What is that thick perforated heat shield for the M-16 called? It makes the AR platform look extra villainous.


This thing or something else?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:21 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:What is that thick perforated heat shield for the M-16 called? It makes the AR platform look extra villainous.

Handguard

The original M16 and A1, the M16A2, or the M16A4 handguard?
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:22 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:What is that thick perforated heat shield for the M-16 called? It makes the AR platform look extra villainous.


This thing or something else?

Yeah that. A little thinner than I remember but thats it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:23 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This thing or something else?

Yeah that. A little thinner than I remember but thats it.


At one point I saw them referred to as HBAR handguards but I'm not sure if there's an actual name.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:25 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Yeah that. A little thinner than I remember but thats it.


At one point I saw them referred to as HBAR handguards but I'm not sure if there's an actual name.

Sometimes things are never actually reffered to by their proper names.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:30 am

If you're trying to buy one just looking up AR M203 handguard will probably help you find whatever you need.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:What is that thick perforated heat shield for the M-16 called? It makes the AR platform look extra villainous.


This thing or something else?

Nani the fuck, it doesn't have a bottom. Must be incredibly uncomfortable to hold without a grenade launcher attached.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:36 am

Lemme tell you, you just need to hold an M320 to tell it's better in every way than an M203.
Hell, you just have to look at it.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:41 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:If you're trying to buy one just looking up AR M203 handguard will probably help you find whatever you need.

Mostly just for reference both writing and visual. I don't see myself owning an Auto capable rifle/carbine unless it's an FAL style. Mostly because the FAL family are rather brutal on full auto.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:45 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:If you're trying to buy one just looking up AR M203 handguard will probably help you find whatever you need.

Mostly just for reference both writing and visual. I don't see myself owning an Auto capable rifle/carbine unless it's an FAL style. Mostly because the FAL family are rather brutal on full auto.

I don't see you letting a full auto period tbh. Those things are expensive.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:47 am

Eh. Lower end things like the Spitfire .45 can be had for ~4,500 if you spend a bit of time looking. It's not cheap by any means but it's not overly hard to save up that much money if you really want it.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:50 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Eh. Lower end things like the Spitfire .45 can be had for ~4,500 if you spend a bit of time looking. It's not cheap by any means but it's not overly hard to save up that much money if you really want it.

How hard is it to get a license?
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:51 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Eh. Lower end things like the Spitfire .45 can be had for ~4,500 if you spend a bit of time looking. It's not cheap by any means but it's not overly hard to save up that much money if you really want it.

How hard is it to get a license?

I'd imagine it would be pretty tricky.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:53 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Eh. Lower end things like the Spitfire .45 can be had for ~4,500 if you spend a bit of time looking. It's not cheap by any means but it's not overly hard to save up that much money if you really want it.

How hard is it to get a license?


That's a pre-86 price point so no license required.

Pre-86 MG's in general can usually be had for several thousand less than the normal online asking price if you spend a bit of time looking and find a local in state seller. It's not all that uncommon to see M-10's and M-11's go for $4,000-$5,000 in such sales compared to $7,500+ online.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:55 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:How hard is it to get a license?


That's a pre-86 price point so no license required.

Pre-86 MG's in general can usually be had for several thousand less than the normal online asking price if you spend a bit of time looking and find a local in state seller. It's not all that uncommon to see M-10's and M-11's go for $4,000-$5,000 in such sales compared to $7,500+ online.

I thought you needed a license for automatics.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:58 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's a pre-86 price point so no license required.

Pre-86 MG's in general can usually be had for several thousand less than the normal online asking price if you spend a bit of time looking and find a local in state seller. It's not all that uncommon to see M-10's and M-11's go for $4,000-$5,000 in such sales compared to $7,500+ online.

I thought you needed a license for automatics.

Same here.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:07 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's a pre-86 price point so no license required.

Pre-86 MG's in general can usually be had for several thousand less than the normal online asking price if you spend a bit of time looking and find a local in state seller. It's not all that uncommon to see M-10's and M-11's go for $4,000-$5,000 in such sales compared to $7,500+ online.

I thought you needed a license for automatics.


Na famalam, lemme break this shit down cuz a lot of people still believe that myth.

In 1934 Congress passed the National Firearms Act that regulated several types of guns, including automatics. To own an NFA item you had to pay a $200 tax, register the item, have a background check done and get approval from your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer (in the past couple of years this was amended to only requiring you to notify the CLEO that you purchased an NFA item) and then you could have it. In 1968 Congress passed the Gun Control Act which had some NFA stuff in it which largely banned "non-sporting" firearms from import which largely killed the foreign machine gun market with the exception of what are called Pre-86 Dealer Samples, these guns are generally machine guns that were imported by someone with an FFL after 1968 but unlike Post-86 Dealer Samples they can be kept once the FFL holder gives up their license however when they're sold they can still only go to another FFL holder.

In 1986 and under very shady circumstances Congress added something called the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act which banned all new additions to the machine gun registry once the clause took effect later that year but didn't impact guns that were already on it which can still be freely bought and sold. There's roughly 165,000 such machine guns on the registry that legally anyone who can own a gun can buy at the federal level provided they go through the NFA steps and fill out the proper forms and pay the tax and whatnot.

Finally we have Post-86 Dealer Samples which are machine guns made after 1986 and can only be held by people with either an 07/02 manufacturers FFL or an 01/03 dealer FFL. 07/02's can freely make as many new machine guns as they want on ATF Form 2's but they cannot be kept once the license is given up and they must either be transferred to another eligible FFL or destroyed as per ATF regulations.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I thought you needed a license for automatics.


Na famalam, lemme break this shit down cuz a lot of people still believe that myth.

In 1934 Congress passed the National Firearms Act that regulated several types of guns, including automatics. To own an NFA item you had to pay a $200 tax, register the item, have a background check done and get approval from your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer (in the past couple of years this was amended to only requiring you to notify the CLEO that you purchased an NFA item) and then you could have it. In 1968 Congress passed the Gun Control Act which had some NFA stuff in it which largely banned "non-sporting" firearms from import which largely killed the foreign machine gun market with the exception of what are called Pre-86 Dealer Samples, these guns are generally machine guns that were imported by someone with an FFL after 1968 but unlike Post-86 Dealer Samples they can be kept once the FFL holder gives up their license however when they're sold they can still only go to another FFL holder.

In 1986 and under very shady circumstances Congress added something called the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act which banned all new additions to the machine gun registry once the clause took effect later that year but didn't impact guns that were already on it which can still be freely bought and sold. There's roughly 165,000 such machine guns on the registry that legally anyone who can own a gun can buy at the federal level provided they go through the NFA steps and fill out the proper forms and pay the tax and whatnot.

Finally we have Post-86 Dealer Samples which are machine guns made after 1986 and can only be held by people with either an 07/02 manufacturers FFL or an 01/03 dealer FFL. 07/02's can freely make as many new machine guns as they want on ATF Form 2's but they cannot be kept once the license is given up and they must either be transferred to another eligible FFL or destroyed as per ATF regulations.

So long story short, any automatic weapon from pre-1968 can be purchased without a license, like the M16, AR-10, FAL, etc.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:16 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Na famalam, lemme break this shit down cuz a lot of people still believe that myth.

In 1934 Congress passed the National Firearms Act that regulated several types of guns, including automatics. To own an NFA item you had to pay a $200 tax, register the item, have a background check done and get approval from your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer (in the past couple of years this was amended to only requiring you to notify the CLEO that you purchased an NFA item) and then you could have it. In 1968 Congress passed the Gun Control Act which had some NFA stuff in it which largely banned "non-sporting" firearms from import which largely killed the foreign machine gun market with the exception of what are called Pre-86 Dealer Samples, these guns are generally machine guns that were imported by someone with an FFL after 1968 but unlike Post-86 Dealer Samples they can be kept once the FFL holder gives up their license however when they're sold they can still only go to another FFL holder.

In 1986 and under very shady circumstances Congress added something called the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act which banned all new additions to the machine gun registry once the clause took effect later that year but didn't impact guns that were already on it which can still be freely bought and sold. There's roughly 165,000 such machine guns on the registry that legally anyone who can own a gun can buy at the federal level provided they go through the NFA steps and fill out the proper forms and pay the tax and whatnot.

Finally we have Post-86 Dealer Samples which are machine guns made after 1986 and can only be held by people with either an 07/02 manufacturers FFL or an 01/03 dealer FFL. 07/02's can freely make as many new machine guns as they want on ATF Form 2's but they cannot be kept once the license is given up and they must either be transferred to another eligible FFL or destroyed as per ATF regulations.

So long story short, any automatic weapon from pre-1968 can be purchased without a license, like the M16, AR-10, FAL, etc.


1986, but yes. Prices for rarer things can reach into the tens of thousands because of the small market but more common things can be had for just a few thousand with a bit of looking and patience.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:So long story short, any automatic weapon from pre-1968 can be purchased without a license, like the M16, AR-10, FAL, etc.


1986, but yes. Prices for rarer things can reach into the tens of thousands because of the small market but more common things can be had for just a few thousand with a bit of looking and patience.

So I could legally own an M2?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:20 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
1986, but yes. Prices for rarer things can reach into the tens of thousands because of the small market but more common things can be had for just a few thousand with a bit of looking and patience.

So I could legally own an M2?


Yes.

The guy who runs this site is one of the best in the business and while his prices are usually on the higher end it shows some of the stuff you can buy.

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Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
1986, but yes. Prices for rarer things can reach into the tens of thousands because of the small market but more common things can be had for just a few thousand with a bit of looking and patience.

So I could legally own an M2?

I COULD LEGALLY OWN AN M2

Not an A1 though. Damn.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:24 pm

Price isn't the issue. My mental health is.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:28 pm


Awesome. I can arm myself for the upcoming apocalypse legally.
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