GUN TALK: Doubletap

[The Two Jerseys]

I now want to see a minigun with a hand crank. Not a Gatling gun, but a minigun... with a hand crank.

If you have an electrically-driven Minigun powered by a hand-cranked generator, is it still an NFA firearm?

[Pax Nerdvana]

I now want to see a minigun with a hand crank. Not a Gatling gun, but a minigun... with a hand crank.

If you have an electrically-driven Minigun powered by a hand-cranked generator, is it still an NFA firearm?

That's an interesting proposal.

[Germanic Templars]

I now want to see a minigun with a hand crank. Not a Gatling gun, but a minigun... with a hand crank.

If you have an electrically-driven Minigun powered by a hand-cranked generator, is it still an NFA firearm?

You mean you crank an electrical engine so that i could fire automatically for a short while?

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

If you have an electrically-driven Minigun powered by a hand-cranked generator, is it still an NFA firearm?

You mean you crank an electrical engine so that i could fire automatically for a short while?

What about a Gatling-type gun that runs on a 1- or 2- cylinder gas engine, with the transmission directly connected to the spinning mechanism?

[Telconi]

You mean you crank an electrical engine so that i could fire automatically for a short while?

What about a Gatling-type gun that runs on a 1- or 2- cylinder gas engine, with the transmission directly connected to the spinning mechanism?

You probably wouldn't need a transmission...

[Impaled Nazarene]

What about a minigun with ammo and power source that isn't extremely heavy and without atrocious recoil?

[Washington Resistance Army]

What about a minigun with ammo and power source that isn't extremely heavy and without atrocious recoil?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4veQxu-NWM

[The Two Jerseys]

If you have an electrically-driven Minigun powered by a hand-cranked generator, is it still an NFA firearm?

You mean you crank an electrical engine so that i could fire automatically for a short while?

I'm just picturing a gunner spraying lead from the Minigun while the assistant gunner just sits there calmly cranking the generator like it's a WW2 field radio...

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

What about a minigun with ammo and power source that isn't extremely heavy and without atrocious recoil?

Well, the atrocious recoil is currently unsolvable, but a Russian-made minigun, the GShG-7.62 is almost half the weight of the M134 and is gas-operated/entirely self-powered. It's only been mounted on the Hind and the KA-29, though, and while it seems a lot more practical for direct infantry support like being mounted on a ground vehicle than its famous American counterpart, I guess it doesn't seem to fill that part of the Russians' combat doctrine.

There's also this, which perfectly fits your description.

[Telconi]

What about a minigun with ammo and power source that isn't extremely heavy and without atrocious recoil?

Well, the atrocious recoil is currently unsolvable, but a Russian-made minigun, the GShG-7.62 is almost half the weight of the M134 and is gas-operated/entirely self-powered. It's only been mounted on the Hind and the KA-29, though, and while it seems a lot more practical for direct infantry support like being mounted on a ground vehicle than its famous American counterpart, I guess it doesn't seem to fill that part of the Russians' combat doctrine.

There's also this, which perfectly fits your description.

The rate of fire a minigun provides isnt necessary for ground based operation most of the time.

[Impaled Nazarene]

What about a minigun with ammo and power source that isn't extremely heavy and without atrocious recoil?

Well, the atrocious recoil is currently unsolvable, but a Russian-made minigun, the GShG-7.62 is almost half the weight of the M134 and is gas-operated/entirely self-powered. It's only been mounted on the Hind and the KA-29, though, and while it seems a lot more practical for direct infantry support like being mounted on a ground vehicle than its famous American counterpart, I guess it doesn't seem to fill that part of the Russians' combat doctrine.

There's also this, which perfectly fits your description.

Russian combat doctrine is more complex than any of us could bother finding out. As far as recoil there should be ways but all of them add significant weight to designs.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Why don't we go to the other end of the spectrum and build a belt fed 5 inch minigun? We could mount it on a ship.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

Why don't we go to the other end of the spectrum and build a belt fed 5 inch minigun? We could mount it on a ship.

Don’t think we could make a weapon of that caliber to be belt-fed... would probably have to be clip-fed or magazine-fed like the original Gatling guns, with a pretty limited ammo capacity... and maybe its size would make the ship or the weapon itself a pretty big target...

[The Emerald Legion]

I now want to see a minigun with a hand crank. Not a Gatling gun, but a minigun... with a hand crank.

If you have an electrically-driven Minigun powered by a hand-cranked generator, is it still an NFA firearm?

Yes. The crank has to be the firing mechanism because it can't be built in such a way as to be easily converted into a motorized minigun.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Why don't we go to the other end of the spectrum and build a belt fed 5 inch minigun? We could mount it on a ship.

Don’t think we could make a weapon of that caliber to be belt-fed... would probably have to be clip-fed or magazine-fed like the original Gatling guns, with a pretty limited ammo capacity... and maybe its size would make the ship or the weapon itself a pretty big target...

That's true, but even if it were magfed, it would still have the capability to provide excellent fire support.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Why don't we go to the other end of the spectrum and build a belt fed 5 inch minigun? We could mount it on a ship.

Don’t think we could make a weapon of that caliber to be belt-fed... would probably have to be clip-fed or magazine-fed like the original Gatling guns, with a pretty limited ammo capacity... and maybe its size would make the ship or the weapon itself a pretty big target...

Actually I think a drum fed version would be feasible and with a specific loading mechanism you could efficiently feed the drum to work on a burst fire.
Problem is these are 5 inch rounds and to have enough of them means to have a magazine more flammable than a British dreadnought in the First World War.

[Telconi]

Don’t think we could make a weapon of that caliber to be belt-fed... would probably have to be clip-fed or magazine-fed like the original Gatling guns, with a pretty limited ammo capacity... and maybe its size would make the ship or the weapon itself a pretty big target...

Actually I think a drum fed version would be feasible and with a specific loading mechanism you could efficiently feed the drum to work on a burst fire.
Problem is these are 5 inch rounds and to have enough of them means to have a magazine more flammable than a British dreadnought in the First World War.

In all fairness, self contained cartridges will always be less flammable than "Let's fill a room full of sacks of gunpowder"

[The Two Jerseys]

Don’t think we could make a weapon of that caliber to be belt-fed... would probably have to be clip-fed or magazine-fed like the original Gatling guns, with a pretty limited ammo capacity... and maybe its size would make the ship or the weapon itself a pretty big target...

Actually I think a drum fed version would be feasible and with a specific loading mechanism you could efficiently feed the drum to work on a burst fire.

The Mark 45 can already fire 20 rounds on full auto before it needs to be reloaded. Is adding more barrels and making them spin really an improvement?

[Telconi]

Actually I think a drum fed version would be feasible and with a specific loading mechanism you could efficiently feed the drum to work on a burst fire.

The Mark 45 can already fire 20 rounds on full auto before it needs to be reloaded. Is adding more barrels and making them spin really an improvement?

Higher rate of fire I guess, the current 5 in her is like what? 20 RPM?

[Impaled Nazarene]

Actually I think a drum fed version would be feasible and with a specific loading mechanism you could efficiently feed the drum to work on a burst fire.

The Mark 45 can already fire 20 rounds on full auto before it needs to be reloaded. Is adding more barrels and making them spin really an improvement?

Russians currently have ballistic countermeasures on their tanks capable of making it virtually indestructible against a single tank or small quantity of infantry anti-tank weaponry. Reason stands they could apply similar technology to their warships especially since they might actually continue building larger ships the utter mad lads. Their battlecruisers might be "L.S.T.'s" but large ships having better defenses might create the deadliest naval weapons platforms ever devised.
As for the Rotary 5inch the burst it creates could give it the speed to bypass said ballistic defenses and land effective shots on the hostile systems.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Why don't we go to the other end of the spectrum and build a belt fed 5 inch minigun? We could mount it on a ship.

Don’t think we could make a weapon of that caliber to be belt-fed... would probably have to be clip-fed or magazine-fed like the original Gatling guns, with a pretty limited ammo capacity... and maybe its size would make the ship or the weapon itself a pretty big target...

Well... if the belt-links are actually firing-cylinders... and it's more of a gat with each barrel having its own revolver feed...

Or was it just a 5" barrel length?

To simplify... what if we adopt the Vertical Gun System? Essentially a gun-barrel insert for a VLS-cell.

Not sure if we can scale-up the 2B9 to 120mm... and then weld 6 of them together in a minigun configuration...
OTOH, we could just use muzzle-loaded 120mm mortars and time it so the mortar fires half a rotation after dropping the shell down the tube.

... I just imagined Russian Artillery playing Ra-Ra-Rasputin using various sizes of mortar tube and howitzer barrel lengths and diameters.
C'mon Russian, you made 1812 Overture into a thing... why can't this be a thing?

[The Two Jerseys]

The Mark 45 can already fire 20 rounds on full auto before it needs to be reloaded. Is adding more barrels and making them spin really an improvement?

Russians currently have ballistic countermeasures on their tanks capable of making it virtually indestructible against a single tank or small quantity of infantry anti-tank weaponry. Reason stands they could apply similar technology to their warships especially since they might actually continue building larger ships the utter mad lads. Their battlecruisers might be "L.S.T.'s" but large ships having better defenses might create the deadliest naval weapons platforms ever devised.
As for the Rotary 5inch the burst it creates could give it the speed to bypass said ballistic defenses and land effective shots on the hostile systems.

Why not just mount multiple guns in the turret?

[Impaled Nazarene]

Russians currently have ballistic countermeasures on their tanks capable of making it virtually indestructible against a single tank or small quantity of infantry anti-tank weaponry. Reason stands they could apply similar technology to their warships especially since they might actually continue building larger ships the utter mad lads. Their battlecruisers might be "L.S.T.'s" but large ships having better defenses might create the deadliest naval weapons platforms ever devised.
As for the Rotary 5inch the burst it creates could give it the speed to bypass said ballistic defenses and land effective shots on the hostile systems.

Why not just mount multiple guns in the turret?

For tanks? Too bulky and unbalanced, not even Europe's lego tank could pull it off well enough.
For ships? I mean that could work but the rate of fire may be insufficient to penetrate the defenses and naval cannons are notorious for being hard to rapid fire accurately.

[Taihei Tengoku]

$400 with transfer fees and s&h

[Grinning Dragon]

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$400 with transfer fees and s&h

Daewoo DP51?
Looks good, only bad thing is getting replacement parts if something goes wrong since it's no longer sold in the US.
Fun fact though, it will also accept a Smith & Wesson 5906 15-round magazine since it's design was borrowed from Smith & Wesson