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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
104
45%
5.45
15
7%
7.62x39
47
21%
.30 Carbine
15
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
6%
Other
35
15%
 
Total votes : 229

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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:16 am

The Chuck wrote:That moment you realize that buying an 80% AR receiver online is easier then ordering a lithium laptop battery replacement.

The battery is more dangerous to ship
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Postby Scaguravia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:41 am

For Sure Glock 19 :)

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:40 pm

Y'know the Bren gun was a bulky half-mess but it had a really nice looking design. It's those awkward old guns that make for good inspiration for impractical fiction/fantasy guns.
I thought of a two barrel O&U design firing a .40something round as an emplacement gun that like a GPMG is still easy enough to carry around with few issues. Mostly used as a heavy infantry gun and anti-vehicle role.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:53 pm

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Please, take some porridge, otherwise I'll just have to give it to the orphans, and if I do that they'll think "Oh, great, now I get porridge all the time!", and I am not...made...of porridge.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:09 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Y'know the Bren gun was a bulky half-mess but it had a really nice looking design. It's those awkward old guns that make for good inspiration for impractical fiction/fantasy guns.
I thought of a two barrel O&U design firing a .40something round as an emplacement gun that like a GPMG is still easy enough to carry around with few issues. Mostly used as a heavy infantry gun and anti-vehicle role.

The french actually made such a gun.

JM twin mount of the FM-24/29D LMG.

++normal fire was 150 rounds (one magazine) per minute, alternating between guns. Each gun would be fired for one minute, in bursts, until the magazine was empty. Then, the gunner would stop, and fire the second gun for a minute while the first gun cooled and was reloaded. Then the first gun could be used again. This rate of fire could be sustained for 3 minutes per gun, before the accumulated heat built to a dangerous level.
++++Accelerated rate was 450 rounds per minute (3 magazines) per gun and was achieved in the same way as normal fire; the gunner would fire off three magazines within a minute and then stop before his barrel overheated, and then repeat with the second. Due to the higher rate of fire, accelerated fire was limited to a maximum of two minutes per gun, since the guns would be so heated after firing 6 magazines each, they would be ready to overheat, even with a minute to cool down after the first 3 magazines.
++++++++Rapid fire; In cases of emergency, such as enemy crossing the barbed wire, the gunners were authorized to rapid-fire bursts of 75 rounds per gun, either in turn or simultaneously, allowing a full magazines worth to be fired in much less than a minute. Such a rapid rate would very quickly overheat the barrel if not limited to only 75 rounds. To help cool the guns down faster, buckets of water and water sprayers were kept next to each JM emplacement. Barrels were cooled either by spraying them with water (evaporative) or by removing the gun from the mount and dipping the barrel into the water bucket. Up to 20 liters of water could be used per day per emplacement just to cool the barrels.
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Postby Zex » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:14 pm

Liberal Nightmare wrote:GLEN ST. MARY, Fla - Three men say they were asleep inside a mobile home in Glen St. Mary about 4 a.m. Sunday when they heard a voice outside yell “Sheriff’s Office!” before the front door burst open. In stormed a masked gunman who fired off a single round before two of the men inside, one armed with an AR-15 rifle and the other with a handgun, emerged from two bedrooms and opened fire [back]. Gunfire ripped into the masked gunman and two other intruders, who crumpled to the floor with multiple gunshot wounds.

Those details surfaced Tuesday when the Baker County Sheriff’s Office released an arrest report linked to this weekend’s home invasion turned deadly triple shooting. Five people are charged in the case. Investigators suspect the home invasion escalated from an ongoing feud between two groups that was stoked by social media threats.

The victims told deputies they acted in self-defense when they turned their guns on the intruders, with one of them estimating he fired over 30 rounds from an AR-15 before the threat was over. Afterward, the victims retreated to another part of the home before they dialed 911, according to the report. None of them was hurt during the shooting.

The same cannot be said for the intruders, several of whom were inside a vehicle deputies intercepted as it sped away from the mobile home off County Road 125. One of them, Corey Lauramore, died of gunshot wounds to the head. An unidentified 16-year-old remains hospitalized, and a third suspect, William Lauramore, was treated and released to police.

Investigators found a heavy amount of dried blood caked on the front steps of the home, a bloodstained mask with a bullet hole through it and a .380 caliber handgun lying nearby, the report said. They also recovered an AR-15 rifle and a 9MM handgun inside the home.

The Sheriff's Office said the five individuals charged in the case were among a group of seven that went to the mobile home that morning to confront and fight the group staying there. William Lauramore, 24; Joseph Albino, 24; Zachary Bell, 20; Christian Watkins, 19; and Cayden Lauramore, 15, are charged with home invasion. But additional charges are possible. Albino, Bell and Watkins provided conflicting details about their involvement in the shooting, but all three said they had no idea others in their group had brought weapons along, according to the report.
I still don't understand why people want to ban than this beautiful life saving device.
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Postby Zex » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:22 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
The Chuck wrote:That moment you realize that buying an 80% AR receiver online is easier then ordering a lithium laptop battery replacement.

The battery is more dangerous to ship
Unironically the reason why.

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Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:53 pm

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Don't know why these never really caught on.

I'm a really big fan of the Walther blowback system, but I always thought the PP and PPK's .380 or .32 were underpowered for actual carry... This seems to be the compromise.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:02 pm

So how can FN's M16 and M4gery be ''as close as you can legally get to a genuine DOD M4/M16A4'' and why the 1,750 price tag? Couldn't I just get Colt's LE6920 and their Ar15A4 for less?
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:17 am

Chernoslavia wrote:So how can FN's M16 and M4gery be ''as close as you can legally get to a genuine DOD M4/M16A4'' and why the 1,750 price tag? Couldn't I just get Colt's LE6920 and their Ar15A4 for less?

I’m not certain but I wouldn’t be surprised if a fair bit of the parts come off of the Mil rifle production line.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:22 am

Chernoslavia wrote:So how can FN's M16 and M4gery be ''as close as you can legally get to a genuine DOD M4/M16A4'' and why the 1,750 price tag? Couldn't I just get Colt's LE6920 and their Ar15A4 for less?

FN is one of the companies that makes M4/M16A4s for the DoD, as does Colt. I haven't looked at FN's offerings specifically, but I'd assume they're not that much better than a Colt LE6920.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:23 am

Chernoslavia wrote:So how can FN's M16 and M4gery be ''as close as you can legally get to a genuine DOD M4/M16A4'' and why the 1,750 price tag? Couldn't I just get Colt's LE6920 and their Ar15A4 for less?


You could, the FN stuff is really just for collectors.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:04 am

How smooth can a bolt action get before it's banned in South Asian countries for being pornographic?
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:09 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:How smooth can a bolt action get before it's banned in South Asian countries for being pornographic?

When it gets an operation and transforms into an autolaoder.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:17 am

Don't forget to get rid of your bump stocks. These are banned now.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:49 am

Saiwania wrote:Don't forget to get rid of your bump stocks. These are banned now.


Lol fuck that. Also, this goes in gun control thread.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:22 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Don't forget to get rid of your bump stocks. These are banned now.


Lol fuck that. Also, this goes in gun control thread.

What even is this bumpstock thing anyway? You'd think the gun obsessed media would report what exactly that shit is. All i know is that it increases the rate of fire.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:26 pm

Saiwania wrote:Don't forget to get rid of your bump stocks. These are banned now.


The entire community already lost all of them in boating accidents.

It's truly tragic they'll never be able to be turned in as a result.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Lol fuck that. Also, this goes in gun control thread.

What even is this bumpstock thing anyway? You'd think the gun obsessed media would report what exactly that shit is. All i know is that it increases the rate of fire.


A gimmick item but if you ever get a 3D printer you could make one and test it out. They're kinda fun once you get the hang of it but beyond that, eh.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:12 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:What even is this bumpstock thing anyway? You'd think the gun obsessed media would report what exactly that shit is. All i know is that it increases the rate of fire.


Its a stock which can slide back and forth as a trigger is pulled, that replaces a normal stock. It essentially allows someone to use the recoil action to artificially increase their rate of fire to nearly full automatic rates of fire.

The device is basically a way to "cheat" and goes totally against the spirit of any existing legislation that limits civilian access to machine guns.

Which is why all of the edge lords are mourning the loss of bump stocks. Because it was a device that effectively allowed a glaring loophole to stand, a way of almost having what is prohibited. They may say that they won't vote for Trump again because of his support for this executive branch action, but will the Democrats really nominate anyone better for President? I doubt it.

People have approximately 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of their bump stocks unless this legal change is stayed via a court granting an injunction until a final ruling is made upholding it or declaring it null and void. The penalties for still being in possession of a bump stock after this period- if caught, can include up to 10 years imprisonment and up to $250,000 in fines.

The biggest impetus for bump stocks getting banned was the Las Vegas shooting of last year, where several were used by the mass shooter and the Trump administration green lighting this ATF rule change.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:23 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:What even is this bumpstock thing anyway? You'd think the gun obsessed media would report what exactly that shit is. All i know is that it increases the rate of fire.


Its a stock which can slide back and forth as a trigger is pulled, that replaces a normal stock. It essentially allows someone to use the recoil action to artificially increase their rate of fire to nearly full automatic rates of fire.

The device is basically a way to "cheat" and goes totally against the spirit of any existing legislation that limits civilian access to machine guns.

Which is why all of the edge lords are mourning the loss of bump stocks. Because it was a device that effectively allowed a glaring loophole to stand, a way of almost having what is prohibited. They may say that they won't vote for Trump again because of his support for this executive branch action, but will the Democrats really nominate anyone better for President? I doubt it.

People have approximately 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of their bump stocks unless this legal change is stayed via a court granting an injunction until a final ruling is made upholding it or declaring it null and void. The penalties for still being in possession of a bump stock after this period- if caught, can include up to 10 years imprisonment and up to $250,000 in fines.

The biggest impetus for bump stocks getting banned was the Las Vegas shooting of last year, where several were used by the mass shooter and the Trump administration green lighting this ATF rule change.


Oh noes, not the spirit of the law!!! :p
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:38 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Lol fuck that. Also, this goes in gun control thread.

What even is this bumpstock thing anyway? You'd think the gun obsessed media would report what exactly that shit is. All i know is that it increases the rate of fire.


A waste of ammo.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:39 pm

Saiwania wrote:They may say that they won't vote for Trump again because of his support for this executive branch action, but will the Democrats really nominate anyone better for President? I doubt it.


Trump doesn't matter anymore, we got our justices. We could all sit out elections for the next 15 years and we'd still be winning on this front. It's all about the long game.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Saiwania wrote:They may say that they won't vote for Trump again because of his support for this executive branch action, but will the Democrats really nominate anyone better for President? I doubt it.


Trump doesn't matter anymore, we got our justices. We could all sit out elections for the next 15 years and we'd still be winning on this front. It's all about the long game.


Complacency kills friendo.
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-Weapons Rights
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-Religious Freedom
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Trump doesn't matter anymore, we got our justices. We could all sit out elections for the next 15 years and we'd still be winning on this front. It's all about the long game.


Complacency kills friendo.


Indeed, which is why we still got out to vote and made sure the GOP held the Senate. Gimme more of dem sweet sweet judicial nominees.
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