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Favorite style of muzzleloader?

Kentucky/Pennsylvania Longrifle
9
36%
Hawken
7
28%
Jaeger
2
8%
Brown Bess
5
20%
Other
2
8%
 
Total votes : 25

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Postby Great Mojave » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:23 pm

Do you think a lever action makes a good first home defence gun?
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:25 pm

Great Mojave wrote:Do you think a lever action makes a good first home defence gun?

Of course I'm going to say yes, because I am a lever action fanatic. :p Levers can usually give you a nice rate of fire, but all action types have advantages and disadvantages.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:32 pm

Great Mojave wrote:Do you think a lever action makes a good first home defence gun?


Maybe... If this was the Wild West, but this is home, your vaterland, therefore I prefer bolt-action with bayonet on the end, that way in case you miss and chambering a round takes too long (because you are not Chad Prussian with your 150% Drill) due to the eindringlinge being closer than wanted, you could always run them through. Guarantee any friends of his nearby were to see that, they would shit pants and run for fear of being impaled.

On serious note, if shit shot (due to fear or adrenaline) then get a semi-auto or even lever action, however, depending on how spacious and open your house is, then that would depend on the gun. For small home with narrow corridors and small rooms, shotgun without butt-stock and has pistol grip.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:49 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Great Mojave wrote:Do you think a lever action makes a good first home defence gun?


Maybe... If this was the Wild West, but this is home, your vaterland, therefore I prefer bolt-action with bayonet on the end, that way in case you miss and chambering a round takes too long (because you are not Chad Prussian with your 150% Drill) due to the eindringlinge being closer than wanted, you could always run them through. Guarantee any friends of his nearby were to see that, they would shit pants and run for fear of being impaled.

On serious note, if shit shot (due to fear or adrenaline) then get a semi-auto or even lever action, however, depending on how spacious and open your house is, then that would depend on the gun. For small home with narrow corridors and small rooms, shotgun without butt-stock and has pistol grip.

My dream home defense weapon is a Winchester M1912 trench gun with a M1917 bayonet.

Because when Chad Prussian and his 150% Discipline thinks that using it is a war crime, you know you're doing something right.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:00 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
Maybe... If this was the Wild West, but this is home, your vaterland, therefore I prefer bolt-action with bayonet on the end, that way in case you miss and chambering a round takes too long (because you are not Chad Prussian with your 150% Drill) due to the eindringlinge being closer than wanted, you could always run them through. Guarantee any friends of his nearby were to see that, they would shit pants and run for fear of being impaled.

On serious note, if shit shot (due to fear or adrenaline) then get a semi-auto or even lever action, however, depending on how spacious and open your house is, then that would depend on the gun. For small home with narrow corridors and small rooms, shotgun without butt-stock and has pistol grip.

My dream home defense weapon is a Winchester M1912 trench gun with a M1917 bayonet.

Because when Chad Prussian and his 150% Discipline thinks that using it is a war crime, you know you're doing something right.


I think you mean Winchester 1897..

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:04 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:My dream home defense weapon is a Winchester M1912 trench gun with a M1917 bayonet.

Because when Chad Prussian and his 150% Discipline thinks that using it is a war crime, you know you're doing something right.


I think you mean Winchester 1897..

No. M1912 has an internal hammer, M1897 doesn't.
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Postby Len Hyet » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:33 am

Great Mojave wrote:Do you think a lever action makes a good first home defence gun?

No.

AR-15. Pistol or SBR preferred. Firing something based on the M193.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:45 am

Germanic Templars wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:My dream home defense weapon is a Winchester M1912 trench gun with a M1917 bayonet.

Because when Chad Prussian and his 150% Discipline thinks that using it is a war crime, you know you're doing something right.


I think you mean Winchester 1897..

Yeah, the M1897 was the one with the bayonet lug.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:48 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
I think you mean Winchester 1897..

Yeah, the M1897 was the one with the bayonet lug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wincheste ... litary_use

Like I said above, the only real difference is the internal hammer in the M1912.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:52 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Yeah, the M1897 was the one with the bayonet lug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wincheste ... litary_use

Like I said above, the only real difference is the internal hammer in the M1912.

I didn't know the military used the M1912.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:06 am

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The last part is the kicker. I am hardly an average shooter, but it is very easy for my rate if fire to exceed my accuracy.

Now imagine how fast Jerry would be if he decided to cut his accuracy. :blink:

He'd probably be illegal in some states.


He probably already is.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:19 am

I found out last night that Charter Arms is making or made a version of their .44 Bulldog in .45 Colt. Fucking w00t!

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Big Jim P wrote:I found out last night that Charter Arms is making or made a version of their .44 Bulldog in .45 Colt. Fucking w00t!

.45 Colt or .45 ACP?
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:25 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:I found out last night that Charter Arms is making or made a version of their .44 Bulldog in .45 Colt. Fucking w00t!

.45 Colt or .45 ACP?


Colt, although they also make an ACP revolver as well.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:26 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:.45 Colt or .45 ACP?


Colt, although they also make an ACP revolver as well.

Cool. If I ever get a handgun, I want it in .45 Colt or .45 ACP.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:41 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Colt, although they also make an ACP revolver as well.

Cool. If I ever get a handgun, I want it in .45 Colt or .45 ACP.


I used to have a Glock 21 in .45 ACP. I have an odd liking for big bore (10mm and up) or small bore (.22 or smaller). With few exceptions, medium bores (everything else) is meh.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:45 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Cool. If I ever get a handgun, I want it in .45 Colt or .45 ACP.


I used to have a Glock 21 in .45 ACP. I have an odd liking for big bore (10mm and up) or small bore (.22 or smaller). With few exceptions, medium bores (everything else) is meh.

Are .22 handguns actually that useful for self defense?
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:52 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I used to have a Glock 21 in .45 ACP. I have an odd liking for big bore (10mm and up) or small bore (.22 or smaller). With few exceptions, medium bores (everything else) is meh.

Are .22 handguns actually that useful for self defense?


If that is all you have, but I personally consider anything smaller than a .380 to be a last-ditch, deep concealment backup gun. I wouldn't like to depend on anything smaller than 9mm as a primary.

Oh, and I include rifles in my bore preferences, although the range for them is .30 and smaller, .44 and lareger. I love the .17s and the .204. The middle bore rifles are a stronger meh in my book (again, with exceptions).
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:56 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are .22 handguns actually that useful for self defense?


If that is all you have, but I personally consider anything smaller than a .380 to be a last-ditch, deep concealment backup gun. I wouldn't like to depend on anything smaller than 9mm as a primary.

Oh, and I include rifles in my bore preferences, although the range for them is .30 and smaller, .44 and lareger. I love the .17s and the .204. The middle bore rifles are a stronger meh in my book (again, with exceptions).

I'll keep that in mind. What don't you like about the medium bores?
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:05 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
If that is all you have, but I personally consider anything smaller than a .380 to be a last-ditch, deep concealment backup gun. I wouldn't like to depend on anything smaller than 9mm as a primary.

Oh, and I include rifles in my bore preferences, although the range for them is .30 and smaller, .44 and lareger. I love the .17s and the .204. The middle bore rifles are a stronger meh in my book (again, with exceptions).

I'll keep that in mind. What don't you like about the medium bores?


It's not an actual dislike as much as a lack of interest in them. I appreciate them, I just don't desire them.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:22 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I'll keep that in mind. What don't you like about the medium bores?


It's not an actual dislike as much as a lack of interest in them. I appreciate them, I just don't desire them.

Oh. That makes sense.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:58 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are .22 handguns actually that useful for self defense?


If that is all you have, but I personally consider anything smaller than a .380 to be a last-ditch, deep concealment backup gun. I wouldn't like to depend on anything smaller than 9mm as a primary.

Oh, and I include rifles in my bore preferences, although the range for them is .30 and smaller, .44 and lareger. I love the .17s and the .204. The middle bore rifles are a stronger meh in my book (again, with exceptions).


I have a .25, but it is certainly a deep concealment backup.

I carry it to the beach and stuff like that.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:11 am

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Big Jim P wrote:
If that is all you have, but I personally consider anything smaller than a .380 to be a last-ditch, deep concealment backup gun. I wouldn't like to depend on anything smaller than 9mm as a primary.

Oh, and I include rifles in my bore preferences, although the range for them is .30 and smaller, .44 and lareger. I love the .17s and the .204. The middle bore rifles are a stronger meh in my book (again, with exceptions).


I have a .25, but it is certainly a deep concealment backup.

I carry it to the beach and stuff like that.

Even to the beach?
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:58 am

Great Mojave wrote:Do you think a lever action makes a good first home defence gun?

As long as it isn't too big to move around corners and doesn't blow through walls it's a good home defense weapon.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:02 am

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Big Jim P wrote:
I used to have a Glock 21 in .45 ACP. I have an odd liking for big bore (10mm and up) or small bore (.22 or smaller). With few exceptions, medium bores (everything else) is meh.

Are .22 handguns actually that useful for self defense?

Mag capacity + .22 + easy trigger + minimal recoil = Dead meatbag
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