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Postby Mercatus » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:36 am

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To be exact, there are 9 firearms (to my knowledge) that are chambered for 5.7. The Fiveseven pistol from FN, the P90 from FN, the KelTec P50 from KelTec (duh), the Ruger 57, the CMMG Banshee that takes Fiveseven mags, a carbine and pistol from Masterpiece Arms, and finally a carbine and pistol from Excel Arms.

Also, anyone else think Hi-Point should jump on the 5.7 bandwagon? Also, we need Tula and Wolf to make cheap steel case shit in that caliber.

CMMG offers a conversion kit, an upper and a mag. Price-wise almost as spendy as buying a new rifle.


I guess it may as well be a new rifle lol.
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Postby Abbeyverne » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:37 am

Mercatus wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:And there’s the fact that there are only two or three guns that are chambered in it.


To be exact, there are 9 firearms (to my knowledge) that are chambered for 5.7. The Fiveseven pistol from FN, the P90 from FN, the KelTec P50 from KelTec (duh), the Ruger 57, the CMMG Banshee that takes Fiveseven mags, a carbine and pistol from Masterpiece Arms, and finally a carbine and pistol from Excel Arms.

Also, anyone else think Hi-Point should jump on the 5.7 bandwagon? Also, we need Tula and Wolf to make cheap steel case shit in that caliber.


Personally, I don't like Hi-Point that much, but I'd say sure, the more guns are available with it, the better.

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Postby Mercatus » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:30 pm

Abbeyverne wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
To be exact, there are 9 firearms (to my knowledge) that are chambered for 5.7. The Fiveseven pistol from FN, the P90 from FN, the KelTec P50 from KelTec (duh), the Ruger 57, the CMMG Banshee that takes Fiveseven mags, a carbine and pistol from Masterpiece Arms, and finally a carbine and pistol from Excel Arms.

Also, anyone else think Hi-Point should jump on the 5.7 bandwagon? Also, we need Tula and Wolf to make cheap steel case shit in that caliber.


Personally, I don't like Hi-Point that much, but I'd say sure, the more guns are available with it, the better.


Dude I just want new memes. The current gun memes are a little stale.

Btw anyone know if/when the Yeet Cannon will actually be released? It’s been 2 years and I can’t find anything referring to it.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:44 pm

A part of me is willing to go through the CBT process of getting a suppressor for my .380 Bersa Thunder, and reading what I have been on Ohio's law in regards to suppressor it doesn't seem too hateful.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:55 pm

I hate this gun safety public service announcement I've been hearing on the radio, judging by that kid's voice he's clearly old enough to know what a gun looks like...
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Postby Germanic Templars » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I hate this gun safety public service announcement I've been hearing on the radio, judging by that kid's voice he's clearly old enough to know what a gun looks like...


Those types of PSAs exist?

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Postby Mercatus » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:29 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I hate this gun safety public service announcement I've been hearing on the radio, judging by that kid's voice he's clearly old enough to know what a gun looks like...


Those types of PSAs exist?


Shouldn't gun safety be common sense and not require a PSA?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:33 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
Those types of PSAs exist?


Shouldn't gun safety be common sense and not require a PSA?

One would think so. Would also be in the best interest of the public to reintroduce firearm safety back into the schools.
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Postby Miku the Based » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:51 pm

Mercatus wrote:
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Those types of PSAs exist?


Shouldn't gun safety be common sense and not require a PSA?

I guess instructors are really getting lazy with the four basic rules.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:57 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I hate this gun safety public service announcement I've been hearing on the radio, judging by that kid's voice he's clearly old enough to know what a gun looks like...


Those types of PSAs exist?

They do when Brady is footing the bill for them...
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:22 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
Shouldn't gun safety be common sense and not require a PSA?

One would think so. Would also be in the best interest of the public to reintroduce firearm safety back into the schools.

^ Since guns are so prevalent in American culture, it really should be brought back.
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Pax Nerdvana wrote:And there’s the fact that there are only two or three guns that are chambered in it.


To be exact, there are 9 firearms (to my knowledge) that are chambered for 5.7. The Fiveseven pistol from FN, the P90 from FN, the KelTec P50 from KelTec (duh), the Ruger 57, the CMMG Banshee that takes Fiveseven mags, a carbine and pistol from Masterpiece Arms, and finally a carbine and pistol from Excel Arms.

Also, anyone else think Hi-Point should jump on the 5.7 bandwagon? Also, we need Tula and Wolf to make cheap steel case shit in that caliber.

I didn’t know about half of those guns. I thought it was just the FN guns, the Ruger one, and the P50.

I’ve been helping my grandfather with some things, and I got a peek at some of his handguns. The ones I saw were a Colt 1903, a Ruger .357 snubby, and an heirloom S&W Model 10. The S&W apparently was carried by my great grandfather when he worked as an MP.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:08 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
Those types of PSAs exist?

They do when Brady bloomberg is footing the bill for them...

FTFY.
Also pretty bad when doctors question kids if mom and dad have firearms at home, comes from the same money pool, bloomberg the petty wanna-be tyrant.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:42 am

Mercatus wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:And there’s the fact that there are only two or three guns that are chambered in it.


To be exact, there are 9 firearms (to my knowledge) that are chambered for 5.7. The Fiveseven pistol from FN, the P90 from FN, the KelTec P50 from KelTec (duh), the Ruger 57, the CMMG Banshee that takes Fiveseven mags, a carbine and pistol from Masterpiece Arms, and finally a carbine and pistol from Excel Arms.

Also, anyone else think Hi-Point should jump on the 5.7 bandwagon? Also, we need Tula and Wolf to make cheap steel case shit in that caliber.


Not sure if this is included in your list, but you can get 5.7mm uppers for the AR platform that take P90 mags.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:47 am

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Yay! Doesn't matter tho, can't find any anywhere. Or any other caliber for that matter.


Really? I never had trouble finding it. Of course, I haven't bought or even shopped for ammo during the current shortage, so I am likely out of the loop.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:08 am

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Yay! Doesn't matter tho, can't find any anywhere. Or any other caliber for that matter.


Really? I never had trouble finding it. Of course, I haven't bought or even shopped for ammo during the current shortage, so I am likely out of the loop.

Last time I was at Cabela’s, they had four boxes of .22LR. I think the only 9mm they had was ratshot.
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Postby Rosmana » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:10 am

What type of firearms would the Dutch get if it was made legal here I wonder.

I think Belgium ones, or Czech ones.....
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Postby J o J » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:14 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Really? I never had trouble finding it. Of course, I haven't bought or even shopped for ammo during the current shortage, so I am likely out of the loop.

Last time I was at Cabela’s, they had four boxes of .22LR. I think the only 9mm they had was ratshot.


I tried running that 9mm ratshot through my Sig P320 just out of curiosity. Didn't expect it to run and it didn't. Failure to eject on the first round and the second one left a bunch of BBs in the internals of the gun. I assume you mean the CCI 53 grain shotshells with the blue casing around the BBs, which is what I attempted to use.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:16 am

J o J wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Last time I was at Cabela’s, they had four boxes of .22LR. I think the only 9mm they had was ratshot.


I tried running the ratshot through my Sig P320 just out of curiosity. Didn't expect it to run and it didn't. Failure to eject on the first round and the second one left a bunch of BBs in the internals of the gun.

Sounds like a bit of a mess. How long did it take to get it cleaned out?
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Postby Mercatus » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:47 am



For once, something that is actually for sale and available. What’s more? It’s a Dragunov, a real Russian one. Note that it isn’t mine lol, I’m not old enough to sell or buy. If you drop about 5 grand this sexy rifle can be yours.

EDIT: oops, the listing expired.
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Postby J o J » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:25 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
J o J wrote:
I tried running the ratshot through my Sig P320 just out of curiosity. Didn't expect it to run and it didn't. Failure to eject on the first round and the second one left a bunch of BBs in the internals of the gun.

Sounds like a bit of a mess. How long did it take to get it cleaned out?


It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be, all I had to do was pull the slide back and gently shake it until the BBs fell out, lol.

However, I have birdshot .22 LR ammo that runs fine in my old Ruger handgun, but that's federal ammo not CCI, and the guns have two different calibers and manufacturers. If I had to guess I would say the birdshot probably didn't cycle in my Sig properly because of the powder load or something to do with the chamber pressure that didn't generate enough force to cycle the slide all the way. I would bet money they will work just fine in a revolver since it doesn't rely on the round generating chamber pressure to cycle the gun.

This guy had the same problem I had, multiple failure to cycles. He didn't get a handgun full of shotshell BBs though lol. Not sure how that happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzYyNj-Eedc
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Postby Miku the Based » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:49 am

Mercatus wrote:

For once, something that is actually for sale and available. What’s more? It’s a Dragunov, a real Russian one. Note that it isn’t mine lol, I’m not old enough to sell or buy. If you drop about 5 grand this sexy rifle can be yours.

EDIT: oops, the listing expired.

If it was less then half the price and legal in my jurisdiction it would be the first gun I would've brought. Zevesta ones and norinco ones are also fine. I rather get one with a piccatinny rail anyways though.
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Postby Mercatus » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:05 pm

Miku the Based wrote:
Mercatus wrote:

For once, something that is actually for sale and available. What’s more? It’s a Dragunov, a real Russian one. Note that it isn’t mine lol, I’m not old enough to sell or buy. If you drop about 5 grand this sexy rifle can be yours.

EDIT: oops, the listing expired.

If it was less then half the price and legal in my jurisdiction it would be the first gun I would've brought. Zevesta ones and norinco ones are also fine. I rather get one with a piccatinny rail anyways though.


Let me guess, you live in Cali, NJ, NY, or outside the US?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:37 pm

If one could only have two different rifle cartridges at their disposal to use, which cartridges should they opt to have? I’d say 5.45x39 and 7.62x51. The former is an excellent penetrator and low-recoil, whereas the latter is excellent for dumping high energy at great distances and more suited for beefier targets. What do y’all think of my choices?

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:45 pm

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Pax Nerdvana wrote:Last time I was at Cabela’s, they had four boxes of .22LR. I think the only 9mm they had was ratshot.


I tried running that 9mm ratshot through my Sig P320 just out of curiosity. Didn't expect it to run and it didn't. Failure to eject on the first round and the second one left a bunch of BBs in the internals of the gun. I assume you mean the CCI 53 grain shotshells with the blue casing around the BBs, which is what I attempted to use.


Semi-automatics have severe problems cycling that CCI shot. They were designed for revolvers. Expect multiple failures to feed and definitely don’t load it into anything you actually give a care about.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:50 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:If one could only have two different rifle cartridges at their disposal to use, which cartridges should they opt to have? I’d say 5.45x39 and 7.62x51. The former is an excellent penetrator and low-recoil, whereas the latter is excellent for dumping high energy at great distances and more suited for beefier targets. What do y’all think of my choices?


7.62x51/308 is in my opinion the best all around combo of stopping power at long range.

5.45x39 is in my experience pretty difficult to source, I only see it occasionally at gun shows and brick and mortar shops, you mostly have to buy the stuff online I think and good luck with that if there’s ever an ammo shortage like there is now. The logistics is what concerns me. You’d be better off going with something more common like .223 or 7.62x39 at shorter ranges.
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