GUN TALK: Doubletap

[Pax Nerdvana]

.30-06 is still a darn good cartridge for any game on the North American continent. Dependingon the nature of the zombies, it might actually be overkill.

Sure it's a darn good one, but over a century later we've darner gooder ones available that do the same job better.

To each their own. And it's easy to get, which is all the better for TEOTWAWKI.

[Krasny-Volny]

Sure it's a darn good one, but over a century later we've darner gooder ones available that do the same job better.

Well a lot of good classic weapons are chambered in it. And I try to keep my weapons chambered in common calibers as much as possible. I try to avoid unusual and exotic calibers because of expense and availability issues (and if someone mentions I do want a rifle and revolver in 460 S&W they can fire 45 Long Colt and 454 Casull, which is one reason it is superior to 500 S&W).

This needs to be said more often. Guns which fire unusual cartridges are not a good investment unless you hand load. And even then it becomes impractical and inconvenient if you’re trying to reload too many different cartridges for too many different guns.

It’s better to buy multiple guns chambered for the same caliber(s). And if you’re not a hand loader, something that you can buy pretty much anywhere for reasonable prices.

Something else to avoid unless you handload or hoard is obsolete military surplus ammo. Twenty years from now when we start running out of 7.62x54 Russian, the prices for that stuff - including surplus and new rounds manufactured by boutique ammo companies will skyrocket; the serious handloaders who produce their own brass and the “buy it cheap, stack it deep” guys will be laughing their heads off while everybody else who bought a Mosin is left with a useless mantle piece.

[Telconi]

Well a lot of good classic weapons are chambered in it. And I try to keep my weapons chambered in common calibers as much as possible. I try to avoid unusual and exotic calibers because of expense and availability issues (and if someone mentions I do want a rifle and revolver in 460 S&W they can fire 45 Long Colt and 454 Casull, which is one reason it is superior to 500 S&W).

This needs to be said more often. Guns which fire unusual cartridges are not a good investment unless you hand load. And even then it becomes impractical and inconvenient if you’re trying to reload too many different cartridges for too many different guns.

It’s better to buy multiple guns chambered for the same caliber(s). And if you’re not a hand loader, something that you can buy pretty much anywhere for reasonable prices.

Something else to avoid unless you handload or hoard is obsolete military surplus ammo. Twenty years from now when we start running out of 7.62x54 Russian, the prices for that stuff - including surplus and new rounds manufactured by boutique ammo companies will skyrocket; the serious handloaders who produce their own brass and the “buy it cheap, stack it deep” guys will be laughing their heads off while everybody else who bought a Mosin is left with a useless mantle piece.

I don't generally see gun purchases in the lens of investment potential.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Well a lot of good classic weapons are chambered in it. And I try to keep my weapons chambered in common calibers as much as possible. I try to avoid unusual and exotic calibers because of expense and availability issues (and if someone mentions I do want a rifle and revolver in 460 S&W they can fire 45 Long Colt and 454 Casull, which is one reason it is superior to 500 S&W).

This needs to be said more often. Guns which fire unusual cartridges are not a good investment unless you hand load. And even then it becomes impractical and inconvenient if you’re trying to reload too many different cartridges for too many different guns.

It’s better to buy multiple guns chambered for the same caliber(s). And if you’re not a hand loader, something that you can buy pretty much anywhere for reasonable prices.

Something else to avoid unless you handload or hoard is obsolete military surplus ammo. Twenty years from now when we start running out of 7.62x54 Russian, the prices for that stuff - including surplus and new rounds manufactured by boutique ammo companies will skyrocket; the serious handloaders who produce their own brass and the “buy it cheap, stack it deep” guys will be laughing their heads off while everybody else who bought a Mosin is left with a useless mantle piece.

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

[Mercatus]

This needs to be said more often. Guns which fire unusual cartridges are not a good investment unless you hand load. And even then it becomes impractical and inconvenient if you’re trying to reload too many different cartridges for too many different guns.

It’s better to buy multiple guns chambered for the same caliber(s). And if you’re not a hand loader, something that you can buy pretty much anywhere for reasonable prices.

Something else to avoid unless you handload or hoard is obsolete military surplus ammo. Twenty years from now when we start running out of 7.62x54 Russian, the prices for that stuff - including surplus and new rounds manufactured by boutique ammo companies will skyrocket; the serious handloaders who produce their own brass and the “buy it cheap, stack it deep” guys will be laughing their heads off while everybody else who bought a Mosin is left with a useless mantle piece.

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

If you have something like your granddaddy's Arisaka, I can understand why you would have to buy 6.5 Arisaka. However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Plus I'm pretty sure some big manufacturers still make 7.62x54R, like Hornady for instance.

[Dylar]

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

If you have something like your granddaddy's Arisaka, I can understand why you would have to buy 6.5 Arisaka. However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Plus I'm pretty sure some big manufacturers still make 7.62x54R, like Hornady for instance.

Hornady, Wolf, hell Tula still makes it. And for a somewhat good price too

[Mercatus]

If you have something like your granddaddy's Arisaka, I can understand why you would have to buy 6.5 Arisaka. However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Plus I'm pretty sure some big manufacturers still make 7.62x54R, like Hornady for instance.

Hornady, Wolf, hell Tula still makes it. And for a somewhat good price too

Wait isn't Tula and Izhmash banned from import into the US? Or is it just the guns and not the ammo?

[Pax Nerdvana]

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

If you have something like your granddaddy's Arisaka, I can understand why you would have to buy 6.5 Arisaka. However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Plus I'm pretty sure some big manufacturers still make 7.62x54R, like Hornady for instance.

I think the .700 Nitro Express was designed as a black powder elephant cartridge in the 1890s. It may be overkill, but it got the job done.

[Telconi]

If you have something like your granddaddy's Arisaka, I can understand why you would have to buy 6.5 Arisaka. However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Plus I'm pretty sure some big manufacturers still make 7.62x54R, like Hornady for instance.

Hornady, Wolf, hell Tula still makes it. And for a somewhat good price too

With how common x54R weapons are a lot of companies make new ammo, Winchester does, I know that.

[Krasny-Volny]

Hornady, Wolf, hell Tula still makes it. And for a somewhat good price too

With how common x54R weapons are a lot of companies make new ammo, Winchester does, I know that.

Huh. Maybe new x54R is really common where you live, but where I live it’s almost all surplus I see in the gun stores and sporting goods stores. I have seen one major retailer that had three boxes of the new stuff by Hornady and someone else, and the gun store nearest me carried exactly one box of the new stuff.

It just seems rare enough that I don’t count on the new x54R being able to ever be as ubiquitous as the surplus is right now. Assuming that’s true, when the surplus is gone the prices for the new stuff will rise.

[Telconi]

With how common x54R weapons are a lot of companies make new ammo, Winchester does, I know that.

Huh. Maybe new x54R is really common where you live, but where I live it’s almost all surplus I see in the gun stores and sporting goods stores. I have seen one major retailer that had three boxes of the new stuff by Hornady and someone else, and the gun store nearest me carried exactly one box of the new stuff.

It just seems rare enough that I don’t count on the new x54R being able to ever be as ubiquitous as the surplus is right now. Assuming that’s true, when the surplus is gone the prices for the new stuff will rise.

Well there's still surplus floating around, I didn't count, but last time I was at the hardware store they probably had a dozen or so boxes of new X54.

[Asle Leopolka]

Guys, if Biden is after our AR-14s, does that mean the AR-10s are too small and not worth paying attention to?

[The Two Jerseys]

However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Home defense.

Nothing deters a burglar like seeing his accomplice's internal organs exiting through what used to be his back.

[Novus America]

Guys, if Biden is after our AR-14s, does that mean the AR-10s are too small and not worth paying attention to?

The are black and look scary so I am sure he will ban them too.

[Asle Leopolka]

Guys, if Biden is after our AR-14s, does that mean the AR-10s are too small and not worth paying attention to?

The are black and look scary so I am sure he will ban them too.

Brb, getting sandy tan furniture so it's not black anymore.

But in seriousness, now might be the last time to buy AR parts before the next price bump after the primaries.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Hornady, Wolf, hell Tula still makes it. And for a somewhat good price too

Wait isn't Tula and Izhmash banned from import into the US? Or is it just the guns and not the ammo?

Not anymore.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Guys, if Biden is after our AR-14s, does that mean the AR-10s are too small and not worth paying attention to?

Not like he has a chance of winning so no need to worry.

[Krasny-Volny]

However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Home defense.

Nothing deters a burglar like seeing his accomplice's internal organs exiting through what used to be his back.

The image of which is guaranteed to almost keep Joe Homeowner smiling as he shells out $$$ to repaper and patch his wall, plus those of his next two neighbors down the block.

[Novus America]

Guys, if Biden is after our AR-14s, does that mean the AR-10s are too small and not worth paying attention to?

Not like he has a chance of winning so no need to worry.

I would not be so sure about that.

[The Two Jerseys]

Not like he has a chance of winning so no need to worry.

I would not be so sure about that.

Yes, you never know how much Mikey Mike and the Everytown Ministry of Propaganda are willing to spend to buy a presidential election...

[Chernoslavia]

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

If you have something like your granddaddy's Arisaka, I can understand why you would have to buy 6.5 Arisaka. However, the .700 Nitro completely baffles me as to why someone would have a gun chambered in that. They can hunt elephants but that isn't exactly an ethical or legal use.

Plus I'm pretty sure some big manufacturers still make 7.62x54R, like Hornady for instance.

Cuz fuck my shoulder.

[Novus America]

I would not be so sure about that.

Yes, you never know how much Mikey Mike and the Everytown Ministry of Propaganda are willing to spend to buy a presidential election...

You do not know exactly how much but you know it will be a whole lot.

[Big Jim P]

This needs to be said more often. Guns which fire unusual cartridges are not a good investment unless you hand load. And even then it becomes impractical and inconvenient if you’re trying to reload too many different cartridges for too many different guns.

It’s better to buy multiple guns chambered for the same caliber(s). And if you’re not a hand loader, something that you can buy pretty much anywhere for reasonable prices.

Something else to avoid unless you handload or hoard is obsolete military surplus ammo. Twenty years from now when we start running out of 7.62x54 Russian, the prices for that stuff - including surplus and new rounds manufactured by boutique ammo companies will skyrocket; the serious handloaders who produce their own brass and the “buy it cheap, stack it deep” guys will be laughing their heads off while everybody else who bought a Mosin is left with a useless mantle piece.

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

If you can afford the rifle chambered in .700 NE, then you can afford to buy, make or have custom made ammo for it. Last time I Priced a .700 NE double rifle, the basic grade ran about $250,000 with a five year wait for delivery.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Things like this always make me feel kind of bad for the folks who have a rifle chambered in something like 6.5mm Arisika or .700 Nitro Express.

If you can afford the rifle chambered in .700 NE, then you can afford to buy, make or have custom made ammo for it. Last time I Priced a .700 NE double rifle, the basic grade ran about $250,000 with a five year wait for delivery.

Fair point. $250,000 is still a lot of money.

On another note, let's try to keep the politics and annoyance at Democrat nominees in the Gun Control Thread.

[Germanic Templars]

It's painful when you want to buy a gun, you have the money to buy one, but ya have to be financially responsible and buy other things, such as a new furnace or car, or both.