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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:03 pm

It wouldn't be the same person.

Believe it or not, cloning irl doesn't work the same way it does in the movies.
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Postby Arkeyana » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:20 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:Then the scientists who did this would be condemned as Excommunicaus Traitoris and sentenced to death by the Holy Inquisitoj of the God Emperor of Mankind

Not realistic, in any way. Other than the fact that it is heresy, it is heresy, and that we aren’t sure if the holy relics are actually objects used by Him or just random things placed in by the old government of the Catholic Church back then(which is more corrupt than a Dark Eldar’s harem house). Also, it is heresy.


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Greater Independent Colorado wrote:I'm pretty sure cloning Jesus would result in at least, like, 5 whole new denominations of Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism. As well as a whole new Abrahamic religion.
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Either way that would probably happen if He was cloned.
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Postby Coolao » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:16 pm

I don't see what good cloning Jesus would do.

You're simply recreating the same biological make-up of Jesus, by no means are you "resurrecting" him or "bringing him back from the dead".

You could do the same for Martin Luther King Jr. or Albert Einstein; however, recreating them does not guarantee that the Martin clone will be morally upstanding, or that the Albert clone will be intelligent.

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Postby Right wing humour squad » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:19 pm

Why only clone one?

We could have all Jesus all in brawls?

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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:26 pm

Salus Maior wrote:It wouldn't be the same person.

Believe it or not, cloning irl doesn't work the same way it does in the movies.

Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.

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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)
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Postby Huntpublic » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:36 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:Why only clone one?

We could have all Jesus all in brawls?

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Switch Jesus out with Hillary's and Trumps, and whoever wins the brawl wins presidential elections. Us Americans have such great ideas!
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:30 pm

Huntpublic wrote:
Right wing humour squad wrote:Why only clone one?

We could have all Jesus all in brawls?

16 Jesus enter only the chosen one leaves!


Switch Jesus out with Hillary's and Trumps, and whoever wins the brawl wins presidential elections. Us Americans have such great ideas!


Or you could not considering we already got the best option.
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Postby Huntpublic » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:31 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:
Huntpublic wrote:
Switch Jesus out with Hillary's and Trumps, and whoever wins the brawl wins presidential elections. Us Americans have such great ideas!


Or you could not considering we already got the best option.


B-but it's not as entertaining! Well, the debates are pretty funny when each candidate throws insults at each other. I guess I could settle for that.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:02 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:It wouldn't be the same person.

Believe it or not, cloning irl doesn't work the same way it does in the movies.

Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.

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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)


No, no, when I mean that it wouldn't be the same person, it DNA speaking would likely not be the same person.

When a human is in development, there are a lot of DNA switches that can turn on or off more or less randomly, this is also true in cloning. You could try to clone a brown haired-blue-eyed man, but thanks to those switches (given the DNA) you could end up with say a green-eyed blonde haired man. Essentially, a different person, comparable to a fraternal twin (which, fun fact, all twins fraternal and identical are technically clones of each other).

You could try to clone Jesus, but you'd only make his twin. Either identical or fraternal, and as far as I'm aware there's no way to really control how those switches work.


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Oh no, it's much more...intellectually intense than that. The thing is, Jesus existed co-eternally with God the Father, as God the Son, in fact Jesus is God along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. In Christian doctrine it is heavily emphasized that the Son was not a created being, but co-eternal with the Father, and was made incarnate as a human through the power of the Holy Spirit in Mary. So...No, Christians would say His soul wasn't created.

I know how much of a mind-bender that is, but trust me that's as simple as I can make it lol.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:31 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.

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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)


No, no, when I mean that it wouldn't be the same person, it DNA speaking would likely not be the same person.

When a human is in development, there are a lot of DNA switches that can turn on or off more or less randomly, this is also true in cloning. You could try to clone a brown haired-blue-eyed man, but thanks to those switches (given the DNA) you could end up with say a green-eyed blonde haired man. Essentially, a different person, comparable to a fraternal twin (which, fun fact, all twins fraternal and identical are technically clones of each other).

You could try to clone Jesus, but you'd only make his twin. Either identical or fraternal, and as far as I'm aware there's no way to really control how those switches work.


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Oh no, it's much more...intellectually intense than that. The thing is, Jesus existed co-eternally with God the Father, as God the Son, in fact Jesus is God along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. In Christian doctrine it is heavily emphasized that the Son was not a created being, but co-eternal with the Father, and was made incarnate as a human through the power of the Holy Spirit in Mary. So...No, Christians would say His soul wasn't created.

I know how much of a mind-bender that is, but trust me that's as simple as I can make it lol.


If i were to take this seriously, That is the only way i can accept, where you can say cloned Jesus would not be Jesus, as the consciousness would not be the same..
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Postby Digital Planets » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:24 pm

We should clone Jesus, but he's gotta be either a Mormon or Scientologist.
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Postby Martian Alliance » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:41 pm

There's several different claims of holy foreskins so you can't know for sure if any of them are true. After "resurrecting" Jesus we'd still have no way of knowing if that was actually his foreskin. Besides that, the clone would grow up as a unique person and wouldn't give any insight into who the actual Jesus was.

I think the idea of cloning humans is wrong. The only benefit of cloning would be to use them in labs in the place of animals. Curing human diseases would be much easier this way. The problem is that this is essentially slavery. Clones would have the same human DNA and so should be treated as human.

Clones are also not much different from twins, humans that have the same DNA. I don't know what we could really gain from cloning humans without doing deeply immoral tests in labs.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:18 pm

But would it really be Jesus, I mean part of the supposed thing of him being Jesus was his life experiences.

Even if he had supposedly Holy DNA in modern ages he most likely would result in a normal life... well mostly normal, Jesus was kind of weird at times.
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Postby Dogmeat » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:37 pm

Martian Alliance wrote:I don't know what we could really gain from cloning humans without doing deeply immoral tests in labs.

Oh come now. There's also deeply immoral cage matches.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:32 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.

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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)


No, no, when I mean that it wouldn't be the same person, it DNA speaking would likely not be the same person.

When a human is in development, there are a lot of DNA switches that can turn on or off more or less randomly, this is also true in cloning. You could try to clone a brown haired-blue-eyed man, but thanks to those switches (given the DNA) you could end up with say a green-eyed blonde haired man. Essentially, a different person, comparable to a fraternal twin (which, fun fact, all twins fraternal and identical are technically clones of each other).

You could try to clone Jesus, but you'd only make his twin. Either identical or fraternal, and as far as I'm aware there's no way to really control how those switches work.

Fraternal twins aren't clones.

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Postby Old Varegia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:37 am

I support cloning Jesus if it gets white and black supremacists to shut the hell up about being God's chosen people.
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Postby Bearical » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:38 am

Sougra wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:So, with the advent of human cloning technology. Should we clone Jesus? There might be some usable DNA left in one of the relics (holy foreskin?). Thus, we can clone Him and force the second coming. And third, and fourth, why stop at only one :)


Or even better yet, a Jesus for everyone. Think of it :Your Own Personal Jesus *cue good Depeche Mode song*

In the end, the second coming is very important for various faiths. Why not help it a hand and force the issue :)

You're literally describing a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode right now.


I had the same thought. For the curious, the episode in question is "Rightful Heir", season 6, episode 23.
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Did God not contribute any DNA to Jesus then?
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Ifreann wrote:We could have a whole range of diverse Jesuses to piss people off. Gay Jesus. Lady Jesus. Authentically Middle Eastern Jesus.


Hollywood-style action hero Jesus?

Yes! Complete with Schwarzenegger accent.


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Ifreann wrote:I don't think we should be satisfied with just cloning Jesus. We should genetically engineer a superior Jesus. Better. Stronger. Faster. Holier.


A megassiah?

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I'll take a lesbian Jesus! And make sure she's hot.

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Postby Nettunia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:10 am

Jesus today would just grow up to be that one guy who posts deep stuff on fb hoping someone will care.
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Postby Hirota » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:34 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Or even better yet, a Jesus for everyone. Think of it :Your Own Personal Jesus *cue good Depeche Mode song*
Sounds like an episode of American Gods.

Or actually, like McDonalds. Can I have a Mexican Jesus with diet coke please? :lol:

Also, if we cloned him we wouldn't have to worry about metaphorical sacramental bread anymore... :p
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:30 am

Hirota wrote:Also, if we cloned him we wouldn't have to worry about metaphorical sacramental bread anymore... :p


Exactly. Finally the body of christ can be used to solve world hunger.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:43 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Hirota wrote:Also, if we cloned him we wouldn't have to worry about metaphorical sacramental bread anymore... :p


Exactly. Finally the body of christ can be used to solve world hunger.


Especially if you got another cloned Jesus to miraculously divide up the body.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:05 am

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The Alma Mater wrote:
Exactly. Finally the body of christ can be used to solve world hunger.


Especially if you got another cloned Jesus to miraculously divide up the body.


That might in fact be more efficient than just simply cloning him a million times.
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Postby Philippa of England » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:20 am

Let's assume this is 100% possible.

What would happen if the "real" Jesus, who had resurrected, saw his clone?
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